my child had cancer but I didn't do anything about it because it was god's will and god told me he would get better and that it was all a test
ps: burn the fags
the bible says so
[QUOTE=Dalto11;18195385]Marriage is a holy union, or at least it used to be =/. I say let them be together in life, as husband/husband and wife/wife, but not under marriage. And unholy union of sorts should calm everyone down if you ask me, not a marriage so to speak, but their own partnership. I think what gets most religious people, like myself, is the fact that marriage is define to be for a man and a woman, so if we avoid marriage so to speak, we avoid a major conflict. But thats just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]
I think, if it is a "holy union" then it shouldn't be a fucking government issue, but if you're going to give the right, give it to everyone.
I love how people make marriage out to be this holy and romantic thing, when really, it's just a financial agreement
[QUOTE=Dalto11;18195587]My local area isn't extreme like a lot of churches in my state, we're just full of old southern Baptists, which a pretty strict and out spoken on how the feel. I personally don't think its right, but I won't single someone out if their homosexual, I just don't religiously believe marriage to be right. If some day the majority votes gay marriage legal, so be it, I won't make a scene, I'll just disagree with it myself, and go about my day.
Not all of the bible belt is filled with moron's you know =/[/QUOTE]
you don't religiously believe it's right for gays to marry?
why not?
do you realize that it is [b]GOD'S[/b] will that he, and he alone is to judge someone?
or do you go around reading that same old Leviticus verse, whose words must override god's primary message of love and tolerance.
bible >>> god
[QUOTE=Doriol;18195624]I love how people make marriage out to be this holy and romantic thing, when really, it's just a financial agreement[/QUOTE]
oh totally nobody actually loves each other it's all the government how could i have been so blind
I am very disappointed to see another state lost to this, but I can't say I'm shocked. Hell, there are still parties in Holland that oppose gay marriage. I say just give it time, perhaps the bigotry will dissipate as a new generation rolls in.
[QUOTE=Big Blue;18195657]oh totally nobody actually loves each other it's all the government how could i have been so blind[/QUOTE]
because I totally said that
ps: go back to oify
[QUOTE=Big Blue;18195657]oh totally nobody actually loves each other it's all the government how could i have been so blind[/QUOTE]
That's what the legal part of it is. That's the right that they are fighting for, the right to equality under the view of the law, to be able to have this "Financial" agreement under the view of the law. I really hate when people are completely ignorant of something like this. Again, though, I don't want to get into the whole churches being tax exempt and being able to discriminate against who they marry.
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[QUOTE=TailsPrower;18195744]I am very disappointed to see another state lost to this, but I can't say I'm shocked. Hell, there are still parties in Holland that oppose gay marriage. I say just give it time, perhaps the bigotry will dissipate as a new generation rolls in.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's going to happen, with the way things are going, it's going to happen. It's just sad that people cling to the same beliefs people had thousands of years ago, as if they are still valid. Going through countless excuses and interpretations to make their beliefs socially acceptable.
[QUOTE=BRIAN BLESSED;18194856]What? That's not even the issue here, if the kid ends up being gay that's not a problem at all.
My point is that the kid would be endlessly tormented for his situation by others. He'd end up having no/very few friends, he wouldn't have a normal social life, he'd probably be discriminated against at school, and all sorts of horrible things would happen to him.
If society can grow up and accept that gay people aren't bad, then I'm all for gay adoption/in-vitro/etc. However, society is extremely intolerant of gays at this point, so no matter how competent and loving the parents are it would end up being too harmful to the kid's development.[/QUOTE]
Only way for society to mature is to give more rights.
Take black rights for examples.
We took GIANT steps with that from freedom to rights, to presidential.
we need to do the same with gays.
Rights is the first step, once they have more granted rights, society will be pissed for awhile, but it will level out, Just now we can see results of the leveling effects of movements for blacks.
Example a black president, is proof of how much society has advanced in racial equality.
Now we need to focus on minority equality and gays right is the first big step to take.
gays don't even go to hell in christianity, it's just a sin like any other one.
don't try to tell me that it's any worse than something like stealing, because if you get pleasure from stealing, you may as well be gay.
fuck i love it when people are denied rights mmmm
vote conservative in 2012
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18196261]gays don't even go to hell in christianity, it's just a sin like any other one.
don't try to tell me that it's any worse than something like stealing, because if you get pleasure from stealing, you may as well be gay.[/QUOTE]
I love your logic. It completely ignores the irrationality of Christianity/Religion and actually treats it as a valid excuse, which is disproven by your logic. Oh wait that's completely fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18196261]gays don't even go to hell in christianity, it's just a sin like any other one.
don't try to tell me that it's any worse than something like stealing, because if you get pleasure from stealing, you may as well be gay.[/QUOTE]
I always thought the only "unforgivable" sin was pride.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18196344]I always thought the only "unforgivable" sin was pride.[/QUOTE]
It's all bullshit anyway though.
[QUOTE=Robbazking;18196370]Christianity and any religion is fucking bullshit. So that's why gay people should be able to get married.[/QUOTE]
Amen.
The hypocrisy here so rich I can even describe it. Not only are we bashing a religion we most likely dont even fully understand were supporting a cause while we may not even have any religious bases of our own.Oh what sweet joy I have when it comes the day where I can defend the discrimination of one group only to pour buckets of hatred and spew a flood of attacks on yet another social group.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18184754]The people are fucking assholes.[/QUOTE]
Yes,Fuck them of course.Fuck those who disbelieve in what I believe.Fuck those who are now the minority.Fuck the people.
Lets take a step back here shall we.
WE are the people here. We rip apart at a religion that is being hated on for reasons not even affiliated with its existence and yet we have the nerve to defend the existence of merely another norm.
I'd like to do a little exercise with myself, highlighting that which is true and not highlighting that which isn't, or that which I believe in and not highlighting that which isn't.
[b]I am a Christian.[/b]I disprove of same-sex marriage.I follow the bible in order to live my entire life.The bible says I am inclined to despise or dislike gays.The bible hates marriage.My beliefs hate same-sex marriage.God hates same-sex marriage. Jesus Christ hates gays. I hate gays and in turn hate same sex marriage. I follow everything the bible says in order to live my life in every way correctly.The bible says to kill those who are not in good standing.I am inclined to kill those not in good standing. I hate gays.[b]I wish to live in a society in which i can express my beliefs freely without being attacked,exploited,abused,or treated differently for actions or opinions affiliated with my belief.[/b] I hate gays.[b]I would not like to live in a society in which my beliefs are suddenly discredited despite the fact that I have been promised to able to live which ever way I please in this society.[/b]I hate gays.
Its a sad world when the morality of an idea is defined by the majority of its people
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18196344]I always thought the only "unforgivable" sin was pride.[/QUOTE]
and suicide
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;18196400]The hypocrisy here so rich I can even describe it. Not only are we bashing a religion we most likely dont even fully understand were supporting a cause while we may not even have any religious bases of our own.Oh what sweet joy I have when it comes the day where I can defend the discrimination of one group only to pour buckets of hatred and spew a flood of attacks on yet another social group.
Yes,Fuck them of course.Fuck those who disbelieve in what I believe.Fuck those who are now the minority.Fuck the people.
Lets take a step back here shall we.
WE are the people here. We rip apart at a religion that is being hated on for reasons not even affiliated with its existence and yet we have the nerve to defend the existence of merely another norm.
I'd like to do a little exercise with myself, highlighting that which is true and not highlighting that which isn't, or that which I believe in and not highlighting that which isn't.
[b]I am a Christian.[/b]I disprove of same-sex marriage.I follow the bible in order to live my entire life.The bible says I am inclined to despise or dislike gays.The bible hates marriage.My beliefs hate same-sex marriage.God hates same-sex marriage. Jesus Christ hates gays. I hate gays and in turn hate same sex marriage. I follow everything the bible says in order to live my life in every way correctly.The bible says to kill those who are not in good standing.I am inclined to kill those not in good standing. I hate gays.[b]I wish to live in a society in which i can express my beliefs freely without being attacked,exploited,abused,or treated differently for actions or opinions affiliated with my belief.[/b] I hate gays.[b]I would not like to live in a society in which my beliefs are suddenly discredited despite the fact that I have been promised to able to live which ever way I please in this society.[/b]I hate gays.
Its a sad world when the morality of an idea is defined by the majority of its people[/QUOTE]
Religion contributed to keeping rights from a certain group of people, therefore it affects me because my beliefs include equal rights for all. Therefore it is perfectly justifiable I am bashing religion.
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;18196400]The hypocrisy here so rich I can even describe it. Not only are we bashing a religion we most likely dont even fully understand were supporting a cause while we may not even have any religious bases of our own.Oh what sweet joy I have when it comes the day where I can defend the discrimination of one group only to pour buckets of hatred and spew a flood of attacks on yet another social group.
Yes,Fuck them of course.Fuck those who disbelieve in what I believe.Fuck those who are now the minority.Fuck the people.
Lets take a step back here shall we.
WE are the people here. We rip apart at a religion that is being hated on for reasons not even affiliated with its existence and yet we have the nerve to defend the existence of merely another norm.
I'd like to do a little exercise with myself, highlighting that which is true and not highlighting that which isn't, or that which I believe in and not highlighting that which isn't.
[b]I am a Christian.[/b]I disprove of same-sex marriage.I follow the bible in order to live my entire life.The bible says I am inclined to despise or dislike gays.The bible hates marriage.My beliefs hate same-sex marriage.God hates same-sex marriage. Jesus Christ hates gays. I hate gays and in turn hate same sex marriage. I follow everything the bible says in order to live my life in every way correctly.The bible says to kill those who are not in good standing.I am inclined to kill those not in good standing. I hate gays.[b]I wish to live in a society in which i can express my beliefs freely without being attacked,exploited,abused,or treated differently for actions or opinions affiliated with my belief.[/b] I hate gays.[b]I would not like to live in a society in which my beliefs are suddenly discredited despite the fact that I have been promised to able to live which ever way I please in this society.[/b]I hate gays.
Its a sad world when the morality of an idea is defined by the majority of its people[/QUOTE]
i do not support this man at all
he is my enemy
and just so you know, asshole, jesus doesn't hate
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;18196400]The hypocrisy here so rich I can even describe it. Not only are we bashing a religion we only have way understand were supporting a cause while we may not even have any religious bases of our own.Oh what sweet joy I have when it comes the day where I can defend the discrimination of one group only to pour buckets of hatred and spew a flood of attacks on yet another social group.
Fuck them of course.Fuck those who disbelieve in what I believe.Fuck those who are now the minority.Fuck the people.
Lets take a step back here shall we.
WE are the people here. We rip apart at a religion that is being hated on for reasons not even affiliated with its existence and yet we have the nerve to defend the existence of merely another norm.
I'd like to do a little exercise with myself, highlighting that which is true and not highlighting that which isn't, or that which I believe in and not highlighting that which isn't.
[b]I am a Christian.[/b]I disprove of same-sex marriage.I follow the bible in order to live my entire life.The bible says I am inclined to despise or dislike gays.The bible hates marriage.My beliefs hate same-sex marriage.God hates same-sex marriage. Jesus Christ hates gays. I hate gays and in turn hate same sex marriage. I follow everything the bible says in order to live my life in every way correctly.The bible says to kill those who are not in good standing.I am inclined to kill those not in good standing. I hate gays.[b]I wish to live in a society in which i can express my beliefs freely without being attacked,exploited,abused,or treated differently for actions or opinions affiliated with my belief.[/b] I hate gays.[b]I would not like to live in a society in which my beliefs are suddenly discredited despite the fact that I have been promised to able to live which ever way I please in this society.[/b]I hate gays.
Its a sad world when the morality of an idea is defined by the majority of its people[/QUOTE]
Yeah I totally agree. It's completely unfair that all dem smart people can go and use their fancy logic to discredit my irrational beliefs. It's just down right unamerican.
[B]Blank[/B] for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because there is no proof of its existence. Logically you assume something does not exist unless there is evidence to the contrary.
Replace Blank with the Easter bunny, Santa clause, god, the tooth fairy, Allah, Thor, Zeus and so on.
[QUOTE=Robbazking;18196370]Gay rights and any same-sex marriage is fucking bullshit. So that's why gay people shouldnt be able to get married.[/QUOTE]
See the fuckin trend.Honestly if your opinion is as pathetic as the one your going against.....
[QUOTE=Kybalt;18196482]Yeah I totally agree. It's completely unfair that all dem smart people can go and use their fancy logic to discredit my irrational beliefs. It's just down right unamerican.
[B]Blank[/B] for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because there is no proof of its existence. Logically you assume something does not exist unless there is evidence to the contrary.
Replace Blank with the Easter bunny, Santa clause, god, the tooth fairy, Allah, Thor, Zeus and so on.[/QUOTE]
Unicorns!
[QUOTE=Billiam;18196485]Unicorns![/QUOTE]
i own a unicorn stable fuck you if you dont believe me
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;18196483]See the fuckin trend.Honestly if your opinion is as pathetic as the one your going against.....[/QUOTE]
The difference being, Christianity observed scientifically and logically is "bullshit."
Where as, in America we believe in equality for all, so gay rights are not.
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;18196400]The hypocrisy here so rich I can even describe it. Not only are we bashing a religion we most likely dont even fully understand were supporting a cause while we may not even have any religious bases of our own.Oh what sweet joy I have when it comes the day where I can defend the discrimination of one group only to pour buckets of hatred and spew a flood of attacks on yet another social group.
Yes,Fuck them of course.Fuck those who disbelieve in what I believe.Fuck those who are now the minority.Fuck the people.
Lets take a step back here shall we.
WE are the people here. We rip apart at a religion that is being hated on for reasons not even affiliated with its existence and yet we have the nerve to defend the existence of merely another norm.
I'd like to do a little exercise with myself, highlighting that which is true and not highlighting that which isn't, or that which I believe in and not highlighting that which isn't.
[b]I am a Christian.[/b]I disprove of same-sex marriage.I follow the bible in order to live my entire life.The bible says I am inclined to despise or dislike gays.The bible hates marriage.My beliefs hate same-sex marriage.God hates same-sex marriage. Jesus Christ hates gays. I hate gays and in turn hate same sex marriage. I follow everything the bible says in order to live my life in every way correctly.The bible says to kill those who are not in good standing.I am inclined to kill those not in good standing. I hate gays.[b]I wish to live in a society in which i can express my beliefs freely without being attacked,exploited,abused,or treated differently for actions or opinions affiliated with my belief.[/b] I hate gays.[b]I would not like to live in a society in which my beliefs are suddenly discredited despite the fact that I have been promised to able to live which ever way I please in this society.[/b]I hate gays.
Its a sad world when the morality of an idea is defined by the majority of its people[/QUOTE]
And your avatar says "Moralist" :v:
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[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;18196460]and suicide[/QUOTE]
Nah, even that's forgiveable these days.
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;18196483]See the fuckin trend.Honestly if your opinion is as pathetic as the one your going against.....[/QUOTE]
There is no evidence for god's existence, and yet you value that which for all logical intents and purposes does not exist more than the right of your fellow man/woman to be happy with each other?
[QUOTE=Dr. Disciple;18196400]The hypocrisy here so rich I can even describe it. Not only are we bashing a religion we most likely dont even fully understand were supporting a cause while we may not even have any religious bases of our own.Oh what sweet joy I have when it comes the day where I can defend the discrimination of one group only to pour buckets of hatred and spew a flood of attacks on yet another social group.
Yes,Fuck them of course.Fuck those who disbelieve in what I believe.Fuck those who are now the minority.Fuck the people.
Lets take a step back here shall we.
WE are the people here. We rip apart at a religion that is being hated on for reasons not even affiliated with its existence and yet we have the nerve to defend the existence of merely another norm.
I'd like to do a little exercise with myself, highlighting that which is true and not highlighting that which isn't, or that which I believe in and not highlighting that which isn't.
[b]I am a Christian.[/b][b]I wish to live in a society in which i can express my beliefs freely without being attacked,exploited,abused,or treated differently for actions or opinions affiliated with my belief.[/b][b]I would not like to live in a society in which my beliefs are suddenly discredited despite the fact that I have been promised to able to live which ever way I please in this society.[/b]
Its a sad world when the morality of an idea is defined by the majority of its people[/QUOTE]
Lets try a fun activity too. I'm going to delete everything that isn't bolded. Then I'm going to make a minor change.
[quote]
[b]I am a homosexual.[/b] [b]I wish to live in a society in which i can express my beliefs freely without being attacked,exploited,abused,or treated differently for actions or opinions affiliated with my belief.[/b] [b]I would not like to live in a society in which my beliefs are suddenly discredited despite the fact that I have been promised to able to live which ever way I please in this society.[/b][/quote]
Hmm? Except this actually makes sense as gay people do exist unlike an imaginary god/religion.
let me clarify everyone:
I am not one of the Christians that oppressed different people.
I am not a christian today that wants to oppress people
I am not a christian that believes that legislation should be influenced by religion
In my daily life, Christianity barely comes across my mind.
i am what you call: "a normal human being"
[QUOTE=Robbazking;18196530]Atleast we ain't fucked up like half the states in usa, you can be jailed for having gay sex. Why?[/QUOTE]
Old laws and they are not forced at all.
[QUOTE=Robbazking;18196530]Atleast we ain't fucked up like half the states in usa, you can be jailed for having gay sex. Why?
*and religion is fantasy it don't exist and never had.[/QUOTE]
It's unhealthy?
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