• Gay Marriage Repealed in Maine
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[QUOTE=Urkel01;18285193]nope, it's just psychological conditioning and the oppressive weight of our modern consumerist society :smile:[/QUOTE] Does the government not have a responsibility to encourage its people to think for themselves? Wait, of course not. When people are sheep willing to believe anyone with a title, it works out just fine. Edit: I think that if the new generation was simply encouraged to read books at a young age, and to question EVERYTHING, their levels of intelligence would reach a record high by the time they matured.
[QUOTE=archangel125;18285233]Does the government not have a responsibility to encourage its people to think for themselves? Wait, of course not. When people are sheep willing to believe anyone with a title, it works out just fine.[/QUOTE] the government at least tries sometimes but the result is usually "EDUCATION IS THE DEVIL'S WORK" or whatever
[QUOTE=Urkel01;18285298]the government at least tries sometimes but the result is usually "EDUCATION IS THE DEVIL'S WORK" or whatever[/QUOTE] Sad, really.
gay marriage should be a right for everyone... since straight people can marry, why not homo-sexuals? It's unfair... everyone should have the same rights...
[QUOTE=darkedone02;18285422]gay marriage should be a right for everyone... since straight people can marry, why not homo-sexuals? It's unfair... everyone should have the same rights...[/QUOTE] Which is exactly it. Some states even have charges against sodomy. The government of a country that claims to be a democracy (Ha, ha) has no place in the bedrooms of their citizens.
[QUOTE=Urkel01;18284324][img]http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9656/rand3.gif[/img] It's more common than you'd think.[/QUOTE] I hate Ayn Rand [img]http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs39/f/2008/339/0/d/__L4D___Francis___by_skatanic.jpg[/img]
I like how my post went completely unnoticed. [QUOTE=Billiam;18272990]It's a shame morality is subjective and only the extremely stupid would derive their morality from a book way past its due. What if I said: Christianity is morally wrong, so it corrupts society morally? [B] I'm sorry, but at this point I'm not sure if you're being serious or trolling Facepunch, enlighten me.[/B][/QUOTE] He's been pretty serious always. Seriously crazy, but serious. But he could just be trolling, but it's quite possible he isn't. [editline]01:33AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18273848]no u [editline]10:37PM[/editline] I don't agree with most aspects of Christianity, but it does try to morally improve society, so saying it's corrupting is absurd. Gay marriage does nothing good, [B]and adversely affects the moral of a society[/B]. Ask most people, even non-religious, and they'll probably tell you it's wrong.[/QUOTE] [quote]ad·verse (d-vûrs, dvûrs) adj. 1. Acting or serving to oppose; antagonistic: adverse criticism. 2. Contrary to one's interests or welfare; harmful or unfavorable: adverse circumstances. 3. Moving in an opposite or opposing direction: adverse currents. 4. Archaic Placed opposite.[/quote] Okay, so. It moves societal values in a different direction. Okay, first, it sounds like you're saying change is bad. If going by the second definition, then it's just contrary to what you want, and you're kinda a bigot if you don't want gays getting married for just because they are gay. It could also mean that it affects society in a harmful way. Now what is harmful about it? Please do enlighten me. Also, I don't understand why everyone was quoting the bible. To use the bible you have to believe that a god exists. The bible can only be used as evidence once you can prove that there is a supernatural power in existence, before that, the bible is completely invalid proof of anything, because the entire bible is based upon it being the word of god, so to even begin to accept it to be the word of god, you have to have evidence for the existence of a god.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;18184989]The government isn't taking away anything. The people voted for it. If their legistature had made laws against gay marriage because of religious beliefs, then there would be a 'seperation of church and state' issue.[/QUOTE] I know this is a late response but the government even allowing a vote to repeal gay marriage is, once again, much like if they had allowed a state-wide vote to repeal black people's voting rights. So in a way, yes, they are responsible.
ITT: Gmod_Fan77 trolls Facepunch. [I][B]Hard.[/B][/I] Seriously.
I'm going to get boxes galore for this, bite me. What does ITT stand for? Edit: Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;18290513]ITT: Gmod_Fan77 trolls Facepunch. [I][B]Hard.[/B][/I] Seriously.[/QUOTE] Not so much trolling as it is minorly annoying us. He can go fuck right off.
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;18290513]ITT: Gmod_Fan77 trolls Facepunch. [I][B]Hard.[/B][/I] Seriously.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because forming one's own opinions is definately trolling.
[IMG]http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5236/religion.jpg[/IMG] This.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18291637]Yeah, because forming one's own opinions is definately trolling.[/QUOTE] Opinions? So far you haven't backed a single one of those [i]opinions[/i] up with a logical argument. If you can't prove your point logically and refuse to see the logic in the argument of others, you're one of two things. A tool or a troll. For your satisfaction, here's a short list of words and phrases synonymous with "tool" in the context I'm using it. Sheep. Narcissist. Bigot. Zealot. Self-righteous tard. Yeah, okay. I see the irony of my posts here. The fact is that you can believe what you want to believe so long as you treat homosexuals with the same courtesy and respect you'd show any other person. If your prejudices affect your actions toward them, THEN I've got a huge fucking problem. Get the picture yet?
[QUOTE=archangel125;18285457]Which is exactly it. Some states even have charges against sodomy. The government of a country that claims to be a democracy (Ha, ha) has no place in the bedrooms of their citizens.[/QUOTE] Actually, all sodomy laws were repealed in 2003 after Lawrence v. Texas
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;18293348]Actually, all sodomy laws were repealed in 2003 after Lawrence v. Texas[/QUOTE] Not in Virginia. They stand for minors.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18291637]Yeah, because forming one's own opinions is definately trolling.[/QUOTE] if those opinions are as blightingly dumb as thinking that same sex marriage is immoral, you might as well be
[QUOTE=archangel125;18292454]Opinions? So far you haven't backed a single one of those [i]opinions[/i] up with a logical argument. If you can't prove your point logically and refuse to see the logic in the argument of others, you're one of two things. A tool or a troll. For your satisfaction, here's a short list of words and phrases synonymous with "tool" in the context I'm using it. Sheep. Narcissist. Bigot. Zealot. Self-righteous tard. Yeah, okay. I see the irony of my posts here. The fact is that you can believe what you want to believe so long as you treat homosexuals with the same courtesy and respect you'd show any other person. If your prejudices affect your actions toward them, THEN I've got a huge fucking problem. Get the picture yet?[/QUOTE] I never said I acted liked Hitler or something towards them. If needed, I will show courtesy, but I still will think they're immoral fools. Why is it that my opinion makes me a bigot while everyone else has comments criticizing Maine's decision and are flooded with Agree ratings? [editline]07:28AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;18289040]I know this is a late response but the government even allowing a vote to repeal gay marriage is, once again, much like if they had allowed a state-wide vote to repeal black people's voting rights. So in a way, yes, they are responsible.[/QUOTE] Yeah, giving the people a say in the matters of the state means the government there is terrible.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18296344]I never said I acted liked Hitler or something towards them. If needed, I will show courtesy, but I still will think they're immoral fools. Why is it that my opinion makes me a bigot while everyone else has comments criticizing Maine's decision and are flooded with Agree ratings? [editline]07:28AM[/editline] Yeah, giving the people a say in the matters of the state means the government there is terrible.[/QUOTE] They were already given their say, gay marriages were made legal. Then they voted again and gay marriages were banned again. Why vote in the first place if they were just going to let it get ditched?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;18293369]Not in Virginia. They stand for minors.[/QUOTE] For minors? Isn't that kinda pointless considering they're under the age of consent anyway?
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;18296567]For minors? Isn't that kinda pointless considering they're under the age of consent anyway?[/QUOTE] The age of consent in the US is 18 right? That doesn't really matter if both people are under it, two minors having sex isn't really illegal, but sodomy between minors (in Virginia) is.
[QUOTE=Jack Bryce;18296589]The age of consent in the US is 18 right? That doesn't really matter if both people are under it, two minors having sex isn't really illegal, but sodomy between minors (in Virginia) is.[/QUOTE] I thought it was illegal for two minors to do it.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;18296601]I thought it was illegal for two minors to do it.[/QUOTE] I don't think so (not 100% sure about this), it's illegal for someone over the AoC to have sex with someone under it, it's called statutory rape or something like that.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18296344]I never said I acted liked Hitler or something towards them. If needed, I will show courtesy, but I still will think they're immoral fools. Why is it that my opinion makes me a bigot while everyone else has comments criticizing Maine's decision and are flooded with Agree ratings? [editline]07:28AM[/editline] Yeah, giving the people a say in the matters of the state means the government there is terrible.[/QUOTE] No, but giving the government a say in people's personal affairs is quite fascist. You missed the entire point of that post.
"If Question 1 fails and LD 1020 is allowed to take effect, marriage will be redefined to be about any two consenting adults without regard to gender, the focus being only about what the adults want for themselves, and not what is best for society as a whole. The roles of husbands and wives would become irrelevant. The reliance on marriage as an important fabric of society will no longer matter and the marriage laws will not consider what is best for children." I now officially hate christians. No, not all of them. Only the ones that are stupid assholes.
[QUOTE=Croix;18299872]"If Question 1 fails and LD 1020 is allowed to take effect, marriage will be redefined to be about any two consenting adults without regard to gender, the focus being only about what the adults want for themselves, and not what is best for society as a whole. The roles of husbands and wives would become irrelevant. The reliance on marriage as an important fabric of society will no longer matter and the marriage laws will not consider what is best for children." I now officially hate christians. No, not all of them. Only the ones that are stupid assholes.[/QUOTE] I hate 99.9% of christians, because almost all of them are either stupid, or assholes, or both to varying degrees.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18296344] Why is it that my opinion makes me a bigot while everyone else has comments criticizing Maine's decision and are flooded with Agree ratings? [/QUOTE] Because your opinion sucks. It's irrational and you haven't backed it up at all.
[QUOTE=pie_is_good;18301883]Because your opinion sucks. It's irrational and you haven't backed it up at all.[/QUOTE] Matters of personal belief rarely need to be backed up. It's the moral sense of the person. I believe gay marriage is highly immoral and degrading and should be banned. I don't need to give explanations on why I believe so, it's what I believe is immoral, and the sense of Right and Wrong in people is constant, and varies from person to person.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18303079]Matters of personal belief rarely need to be backed up. It's the moral sense of the person. I believe gay marriage is highly immoral and degrading and should be banned. I don't need to give explanations on why I believe so, it's what I believe is immoral, and the sense of Right and Wrong in people is constant, and varies from person to person.[/QUOTE] But laws aren't based on morals or your definition of right and wrong, they're based on the motherfucking Constitution.
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