[QUOTE=Billiam;18320963]They did however step on equality.
And don't pretend they don't believe that being gay will send someone to Hell.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying I think the Bible is entirely true/translated correctly, it does call it a sin. I'm not condemning anyone, but according to the Bible, it can send you to hell.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18321139]I'm not saying I think the Bible is entirely true/translated correctly, it does call it a sin. I'm not condemning anyone, but according to the Bible, it can send you to hell.[/QUOTE]
Well then let the gays go to Hell, you clearly don't like them. Don't try and save them by stopping them from marrying, because then you'll be making them commit adultery too and that's double Hell!
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18309289]
You're also forgetting the United States was founded by Protestants who wanted a religion based on Judeo-Christian ethics.
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Who in turn fought and died in order to provide freedom for everyone.
Nevermind that they weren't protestants either, as it doesn't matter, the last thing they would have wanted was for the government to impose religion on the people.
Separation of church and state is a huge part of the United States. It saddens me to see you cheapen something that men gave their lives to obtain and have since given many more in order to protect.
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[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18321139]I'm not saying I think the Bible is entirely true/translated correctly, it does call it a sin. I'm not condemning anyone, but according to the Bible, it can send you to hell.[/QUOTE]
Oh, so you know which parts were translated properly?
So all those parts about stoning sinners to death or burning thieves or raping women are mistranslated. But the parts about gay marriage aren't, eh?
So you are picking and choosing what rules to follow. Isn't that like playing god? It's an either or deal, bud. Either you buy into it, or you don't. You can't have it both ways.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18313759]That's the funny thing about an opinion of moral beliefs: it doesn't have to be backed up to be true. In my mind, I'm right, in your mind, I'm wrong. That doesn't give you a right to assume your opinion on me being an idiotic bigot is right. It's my moral opinion, so why not just deal with it?[/QUOTE]
You can't have an opinion on civil liberties.
There's right and there's wrong. There's no opinions to get involved.
How about I consider it morally right to kill you, because it's my opinion, and if it hurts you, so what? Just deal with it. Is that fair?
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18321139]I'm not saying I think the Bible is entirely true/translated correctly, it does call it a sin. I'm not condemning anyone, but according to the Bible, it can send you to hell.[/QUOTE]
have you ever eaten shrimp or crab?
because the bible calls eating shellfish an "abomination" too
that's the exact same word it uses to refer to homosexuality, so don't say that the bible considers one to be worse than the other. Especially since the bible only directly refers to homosexuality in one, single verse, but spends three verses talking about how you should not eat shellfish, for it is an abomination in god's eyes.
everyone is freaking out about a guy that is impossible to argue with; give it up dudes
[QUOTE=Urkel01;18325154]everyone is freaking out about a guy that is impossible to argue with; give it up dudes[/QUOTE]
I'm not impossible to argue with, I just wish every arguement didn't basically say "You're a brain-dead creationist bigot derp". More civilized arguments and some neutrality would be appreciated.
You don't fucking get the idea of being called a brain-dead creationist bigot.
You have to prove yourself a brain-dead creationist bigot to be called a brain-dead creationist bigot.
You have proven many times you don't actually know about anything you talk about.
You have proven many times to be a creationist, which creates inherent conflict between civility and shun.
And bigot?
No, you know what, you don't get to fucking wish for anything.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18328140]You don't fucking get the idea of being called a brain-dead creationist bigot.
You have to prove yourself a brain-dead creationist bigot to be called a brain-dead creationist bigot.
You have proven many times you don't actually know about anything you talk about.
You have proven many times to be a creationist, which creates inherent conflict between civility and shun.
And bigot?
No, you know what, you don't get to fucking wish for anything.[/QUOTE]
Do I know what I talk about? Yes. Do I back up my statements when I can? Yes. Do I back up opinions of mine? No, opinions are one's opinions. It's rather difficult for me to have neutral arguments here as as soon as I say something it's instantly "Gtfo creationist bigot derp". Like I said, if I could argue on neutral grounds with both parties accepting some neutral ground, I would find it much easier to argue and debate logically.
Yep it's everyone else's fault except your own.
We just aren't mature enough to handle your well-thought out arguments.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18328285]Yep it's everyone else's fault except your own.
We just aren't mature enough to handle your well-thought out arguments.[/QUOTE]
You aren't mature enough to hold your tongue and be neutral rather than saying "HOLY SHIT CREATIONIST THAT MEANS HE'S A BIGOT LETS SPAM HIM HERP DERP."
ur a prejudizer
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328298]You aren't mature enough to hold your tongue and be neutral rather than saying "HOLY SHIT CREATIONIST THAT MEANS HE'S A BIGOT LETS SPAM HIM HERP DERP."[/QUOTE]
Yep, you aren't delusional in anyway. It's us.
You should probably go to one of the more mature websites, facepunch isn't good enough for you.
oh god please no more
e: [b]end it[/b]
[QUOTE=thisispain;18328350]Yep, you aren't delusional in anyway. It's us.
You should probably go to one of the more mature websites, facepunch isn't good enough for you.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I should just end the discussion. My beliefs are too "backwards" (I call them "morally upright") for the thread to handle.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328363]Perhaps I should just end the discussion. My beliefs are too "backwards" (I call them "morally upright") for the thread to handle.[/QUOTE]
It's never gonna end, this forum is infested with us.
It's a waste to see your intelligence be abused here, here, here's one on your level of intelligence:[url]http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/[/url]
[QUOTE=thisispain;18328422]It's never gonna end, this forum is infested with us.
It's a waste to see your intelligence be abused here, here, here's one on your level of intelligence:[url]http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/[/url][/QUOTE]
Here's one on your level of intelligence: [url]http://www.4chan.org/[/url]
No I'm quite fine here.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18328422]It's never gonna end, this forum is infested with us.
It's a waste to see your intelligence be abused here, here, here's one on your level of intelligence:[url]http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/[/url][/QUOTE]
:iceburn:
Oh the neverending joy of an self-centered, egotistic, atheistic community that doesn't have the mental capacity to handle beliefs that differ.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328611]Oh the neverending joy of an self-centered, egotistic, atheistic community that doesn't have the mental capacity to handle beliefs that differ.[/QUOTE]
To handle beliefs based on faulty logic you mean?
Let me make this really simple.
No evidence for god -> Default Position is Non Existence -> Bible Invalid due to relying on god's existence for own validity.
What don't you get?
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328611]Oh the neverending joy of an self-centered, egotistic, atheistic community that doesn't have the mental capacity to handle beliefs that differ.[/QUOTE]
we're the self-centered ones?
[QUOTE=Kybalt;18328661]To handle beliefs based on faulty logic you mean?
Let me make this really simple.
No evidence for god -> Default Position is Non Existence -> Bible Invalid due to relying on god's existence for own validity.
What don't you get?[/QUOTE]
The fact you don't know that religion is false. Science points against it, sure, but you don't know for sure it isn't true.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328363]Perhaps I should just end the discussion. My beliefs are too "backwards" (I call them "morally upright") for the thread to handle.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328611]Oh the neverending joy of an self-centered, egotistic, atheistic community that doesn't have the mental capacity to handle beliefs that differ.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328681]The fact you don't know that religion is false. Science points against it, sure, but you don't know for sure it isn't true.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX161ulHrSA&feature=related[/media]
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328681]The fact you don't know that religion is false. Science points against it, sure, but you don't know for sure it isn't true.[/QUOTE]
Except, that the default [B]logical [/B]stance on something is that it does not exist until there is evidence to the contrary. There is no evidence for anything supernatural existing. I agree that we do not KNOW, but, the issue with that, is that it's impossible to disprove a negative, think Salem Witch Trials. Can you prove you're not a witch? (Assuming that witches don't exist.)
[QUOTE=Kybalt;18328735]Except, that the default [B]logical [/B]stance on something is that it does not exist until there is evidence to the contrary. There is no evidence for anything supernatural existing. I agree that we do not KNOW, but, the issue with that, is that it's impossible to disprove a negative, think Salem Witch Trials. Can you prove you're not a witch? (Assuming that witches don't exist.)[/QUOTE]
I do see your point. Having beliefs is perfectly ok, but using them in an argument is rather futile as some beliefs can't be immediately proven. I actually agree with you somewhat there.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328681]The fact you don't know that religion is false. Science points against it, sure, but you don't know for sure it isn't true.[/QUOTE]
You don't need to know that something that isn't true, isn't true. Why can't you comprehend this? Do you need to prove that there isn't a bullet about to punch through your skull? Do you need to prove that your house isn't going to collapse right now (Given that you have no evidence pointing to something that may lead to structural failure, like an earth quake or whatever)? Do you need to prove that a god that has no evidence for his existence, doesn't exist?
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[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328772]See? Was it really that difficult to make a neutral, logical argument rather than blurting "CREATIONIST WTF HE'S WRONG"?
I do see your point. Having beliefs is perfectly ok, but using them in an argument is rather futile as some beliefs can't be immediately proven. I actually agree with you somewhat there.[/QUOTE]
I always go with logical uninsulting arguments, unless the person I'm talking to is a troll. You obviously believe everything you say.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;18328802]You don't need to know that something that isn't true, isn't true. Why can't you comprehend this? Do you need to prove that there isn't a bullet about to punch through your skull? Do you need to prove that your house isn't going to collapse right now (Given that you have no evidence pointing to something that may lead to structural failure, like an earth quake or whatever)? Do you need to prove that a god that has no evidence for his existence, doesn't exist?[/QUOTE]
I suppose so. I believe a God exists, but I don't have evidence. I don't have to prove He doesn't exist as not evidence exists to support His existence, but by faith I choose to believe in a God, and still, no one knows whether or not a God exists. Evidence points against it, but no one knows for sure. You actually made valid points.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;18328828]I suppose so. [B]I believe a God exists, but I don't have evidence.[/B] I don't have to prove He doesn't exist as not evidence exists to support His existence, but [B]by faith I choose to believe in a God,[/B] and still, no one knows whether or not a God exists. Evidence points against it, but no one knows for sure. You actually made valid points.[/QUOTE]
So you accept that your beliefs are illogical.
and that you're a bigot
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