• Mr. Clinton calls Bernie sexist, claims that Bernie supporters are internet trolls
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[QUOTE=RichyZ;49699763]it's really fishy that she is handling top secret documents outside of government servers then destroys evidence of it once it becomes known as said by a military poster in one of the other threads, if a regular civilian or soldier did the same they'd be fucked[/QUOTE] I just don't really see the issue. She shouldn't have been doing it, but I don't see any political issues with it.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49698426]Come on guys; you can't deny this. I mean, sure you can say that about really any political candidate, but some people here on facepunch are pretty crazy. They call her "shillary", "cunton/clitton", calling her things like a "psychopathic bitch". I think the sexism thing is just a talking point, but you can't deny that some bernie supporters have been pretty fucking vicious online. Comparably, I haven't seen anybody saying nearly as vicious things about bernie sanders, just that they don't believe he'd be a good leader.[/QUOTE] Has nothing to do with supporting Bernie and everything to do with hammering home the point that Hillary Clinton is a terrible politician and a last resort to avoid a Republican president. Anyone that votes Hillary out of genuine support and belief in her as a candidate is a fool.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49699844]it's a glaring issue that shows what her character is like in the face of adversity be a coward and destroy evidence and pay off as much people as you can to avoid a sentence oh and also because it was super illegal[/QUOTE] I just... I don't really care. I care about policy, especially foreign policy. I just don't personally care if she's an asshole or not, I just don't think bernie sanders has good foreign policy
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49699895]I just... I don't really care. I care about policy, especially foreign policy. I just don't personally care if she's an asshole or not, I just don't think bernie sanders has good foreign policy[/QUOTE]Foreign policy is important yeah, but so is fixing your country's mess of domestic problems it has, which I'm not too convinced Hillary really gives much of a damn about.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49699895]I just... I don't really care. I care about policy, especially foreign policy. I just don't personally care if she's an asshole or not, I just don't think bernie sanders has good foreign policy[/QUOTE] [video]https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y[/video]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49699912]that's really narrow minded policy isn't the only thing that makes a good candidate, someone who has no regard for your own nations laws and it's security needs to have their actions taken into account[/QUOTE] Dishonesty really pales in comparison to the fact that I think bernie sanders has dangerous foreign policy which could jeopardize American power and safety. At some point in an argument, everything reduces down to a set a basic assumptions which cannot be overcome by further reduction; my basic principle is that america needs to remain the superpower that it is and maintain the global status quo. Bernie sanders disagrees with that. I've repeated my position on foreign policy several times, and I think we're at an I'm pass in which neither of us will move [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;49699933]in all actuality hillary is likely going to do jack shit and continue the policies that we have under the current administration, whilst making laws for the corporations that keep her wealthy as fuck which is better than regressing, but it's better to have neither and actually progress[/QUOTE] I personally like the current administration
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49699949]i also like the current administration, at least relative to what we could be having from the other candidates but it doesn't excuse the fact that clinton is corrupt as shit and would be passing a load of "suck the corporate dick" laws[/QUOTE] Like what?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49699934]Dishonesty really pales in comparison to the fact that I think bernie sanders has dangerous foreign policy which could jeopardize American power and safety. At some point in an argument, everything reduces down to a set a basic assumptions which cannot be overcome by further reduction; my basic principle is that america needs to remain the superpower that it is and maintain the global status quo. Bernie sanders disagrees with that. I've repeated my position on foreign policy several times, and I think we're at an I'm pass in which neither of us will move [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] I personally like the current administration[/QUOTE] Why don't you support any major Republican candidate then lol, 'we need to maintain the status quo'
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49699934]Dishonesty really pales in comparison to the fact that I think bernie sanders has dangerous foreign policy which could jeopardize American power and safety. At some point in an argument, everything reduces down to a set a basic assumptions which cannot be overcome by further reduction; my basic principle is that america needs to remain the superpower that it is and maintain the global status quo. Bernie sanders disagrees with that. I've repeated my position on foreign policy several times, and I think we're at an I'm pass in which neither of us will move[/QUOTE]go to people homeless on the street, go to people dying from lack of insurance, go to families working many many hours a week and still struggling, go to the slaves in sweatshops, go to minorities facing disproportionate punishment, go to the many millions of people in jail for harmless offences, go to students facing ridiculous debt go to them and whisper 'at least america is still a super power' the status quo is exploitation of the poor and middle class, all around the world for the profit of corporations and the powerful. if people in you own country are suffering, while the wealthy get wealthier what are you fighting for? what are the intentions of people preserving that status quo?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49698479]But the point isn't about whether or not Hillary is corrupt or not; the point is that Bernie supporters can be pretty immature sometimes. [/QUOTE] what kind of shitty point is this supposed to be. Like, whats the endgame, sometimes some people everywhere can be immature sometimes? It sounds like its just bad rhetoric for you to use to try to imply that bernie supporters are more immature somehow, which by the way have you seen trump's internet supporters? And this thread proves that hillary supporters are devolving into accusing bernie of unbased sexism, isn't that immature? If there was some greater purpose to this point do elaborate.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49699173]Why does the media hate Bernie so much? Everywhere you look, they're talking about Trump, Clinton, and Cruz, but rarely Bernie.[/QUOTE] Because news networks exist to make money and bernie wants to tax the fuck out of them
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49699977]Why don't you support any major Republican candidate then lol, 'we need to maintain the status quo'[/QUOTE] Mostly because I'm not religious. I think we need better healthcare and education in this country, and I want a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=benzi2k7;49699986]go to people homeless on the street, go to people dying from lack of insurance, go to families working many many hours a week and still struggling, go to the slaves in sweatshops, go to minorities facing disproportionate punishment, go to the many millions of people in jail for harmless offences, go to students facing ridiculous debt go to them and whisper 'at least america is still a super power' the status quo is exploitation of the poor and middle class, all around the world for the profit of corporations and the powerful. if people in you own country are suffering, while the wealthy get wealthier what are you fighting for? what are the intentions of people preserving that status quo?[/QUOTE] The military power of the United states affects more than just americans. The united states as a super power is the line in the sand between Putin and Eastern europe
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49700078]Mostly because I'm not religious. I think we need better healthcare and education in this country, and I want a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] The military power of the United states affects more than just americans. The united states as a super power is the line in the sand between Putin and Eastern europe[/QUOTE] The U.S is that line because Western Europe all like to spend less then 2% of their spending to the military. Which is why they are all able to enjoy free education and healthcare because they don't have to worry about putting money towards a capable standing military since big brother America is there to foot the bill. It's about time we upped the mandatory spending in NATO and drop anyone who doesn't step up so we can redistribute some of our defense spending towards our own social programs.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49700135]The U.S is that line because Western Europe all like to spend less then 2% of their spending to the military. Which is why they are all able to enjoy free education and healthcare because they don't have to worry about putting money towards a capable standing military since big brother America is there to foot the bill. It's about time we upped the mandatory spending in NATO and drop anyone who doesn't step up so we can allocate some of our defense spending towards our own social programs.[/QUOTE] Dropping member of NATO is an absolutely terrible idea. Perhaps, once again, I'm buffered by my local economy in the beltway, but defense spending doesn't exist in a vacuum. Defense spending goes to contractors which provide all kinds of services for the military; it doesn't all just go to paychecks for soldiers. The united states is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world in part due to military spending and research. America's poor public services is a result of tax loopholes that ought to be closed
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49700177]Dropping member of NATO is an absolutely terrible idea. Perhaps, once again, I'm buffered by my local economy in the beltway, but defense spending doesn't exist in a vacuum. Defense spending goes to contractors which provide all kinds of services for the military; it doesn't all just go to paychecks for soldiers. The united states is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world in part due to military spending and research. America's poor public services is a [B]result of tax loopholes that ought to be closed[/B][/QUOTE] Literally that is most of Bernie's platform. Also, as far as foreign policy goes, how the hell can you trust someone with our national security if they literally endangered it by being utterly careless with sensitive information? We can talk about America needing to stay a super-power all we want, but if that means that we will keep going on the road we are going then "America" won't mean jack shit in about 10-20 years. We are on a fast-track to full fledged corporatism. If we keep letting the rich dictate politics then you might as well start learning how to be patriotic towards General Electric and company. Basically, you are weakening america by making it nothing more than a corporate errand boy.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49699972]say hello to things that let isps fuck you harder, or any laws that benefit these fellas [url]https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career[/url][/QUOTE] Oh hey look at who donated to Bush's campaign too. [url]https://www.opensecrets.org/pres04/contrib.php?cid=N00008072[/url] I am not sure about you but if I were paid oodles of money, I would do what I was told. Remember the Bush era? Any one liked how he handled business? If Hilary were to have the same handlers, what to make people think she be any different?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49699753]That issue doesn't really matter to me. I don't see why that's something people give a shit about [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] Maybe someone can explain the importance of it?[/QUOTE] What she did was illegal. It's not been disclosed on her personal servers what their nature was, but several emails were classified materials. Since the Gov can't confirm that the documents were secured, we don't know how many of them were possibly accessed by outside sources and how much damage could be done with them. Not only that, but she deleted a bunch of them, so we don't know if she sent them on to people who shouldn't have access. Further, the emails are on a personal server, which makes [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)]FOIA[/url] requests prohibitively difficult to perform. Something gov officials are required to comply with by law. Seriously you sign acknowledgements when you take a gov job that you understand you'll be facing prison and fines for doing exactly these sorts of things.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49699753]That issue doesn't really matter to me. I don't see why that's something people give a shit about [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] Maybe someone can explain the importance of it?[/QUOTE] Oh So you're telling me you don't give a fuck about a top politician who's running for president to host a server in her house unprotected with top classified info Then deny what ha I just No My God And Foreign Policy? Are you fucking kidding me?
Let not forget The Clintons have unconfirmed rumors of being close with the Chinese. If they are as ethically bankrupt as people think they are, who is not to say she wasn't selling secrets to foreign nations for her own gain? Why did she delete and hide all this info? What she have to hide?
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49700699]Let not forget The Clintons have unconfirmed rumors of being close with the Chinese. If they are as ethically bankrupt as people think they are, who is not to say she wasn't selling secrets to foreign nations for her own gain? Why did she delete and hide all this info? What she have to hide?[/QUOTE] If she sold secrets to the chinese and is now running for president that means she has larger balls than most. Red balls.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49700714]If she sold secrets to the chinese and is now running for president that means she has larger balls than most. Red balls.[/QUOTE] Would it surprise you if the Clintons were up to such stunts? I mean is it really beyond their character?
Or perhaps Bernie isn't just as popular as you all would like to believe. I don't have much positive to say about Clinton either but she is considerably better speaker than Bernie, did any of you all watch the most recent debate? She comes across as way more powerful and in control of the situation, not saying that is reason alone she is better or whatever, but it matters to people, it's more than what you say, it's how you say it. Confidence has powered her through a lot, someone earlier posted, she is a great politician, not a great candidate, but she plays the game very well, something Bernie doesn't.
Christ you know there desperate when trying this shit, I just hope most voters can past this bullshit
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49701149]Christ you know there desperate when trying this shit, I just hope most voters can past this bullshit[/QUOTE] "Feminists" will eat it anyway just because she is a woman and they like what they hear from her
[QUOTE=Vaegir Guard;49701210]"Feminists" will eat it anyway just because she is a woman and they like what they hear from her[/QUOTE] I've been hearing that's not the case for allot of them sure the ultra sexist, ones against men sure but I think most prefer Sanders over her
[QUOTE=Durandal;49698562]Good politician, terrible person.[/QUOTE] I guess you have to be a fucking great politician to successfully blag the position of secretary of state with next to no experience, she knows what she's doing and to still be going despite racking up huge scandals every couple years, and whilst being officially investigated by the fbi
[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;49700729]Would it surprise you if the Clintons were up to such stunts? I mean is it really beyond their character?[/QUOTE] I feel like you should find even an inkling of evidence if you're going to be pushing such a hard-to-swallow rumor.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49698465]Like I said, I think the sexism thing is just a talking point. I don't really buy it. However, you have to admit that while Bernie Sanders is great (as a Clinton supporter, I like a lot of what Bernie Says), but a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters just fucking suck[/QUOTE] does that somehow make bernie sanders a bad candidate? this really should not factor into who you vote for at all, and to do so is just bonkers
Where the fuck in this article does it claim Bill Clinton calls Bernie sexist? He said some legitimate shit, this whole thread is people just blowing it the fuck up and literally putting words in his mouth. Don't diss my nigga bill like that
[QUOTE=wystan;49700746]Or perhaps Bernie isn't just as popular as you all would like to believe. I don't have much positive to say about Clinton either but she is considerably better speaker than Bernie, did any of you all watch the most recent debate? She comes across as way more powerful and in control of the situation, not saying that is reason alone she is better or whatever, but it matters to people, it's more than what you say, it's how you say it. Confidence has powered her through a lot, someone earlier posted, she is a great politician, not a great candidate, but she plays the game very well, something Bernie doesn't.[/QUOTE] And yet he's gaining remarkable traction without bullshitting. 'Lol politicians are supposed to be bad' is a retarded excuse and you guys honestly appall me that you're even consider it to be okay
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