Don't fuck with Amazonians; Villagers punish thieves by LASHING them to tree covered in poisonous fi
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And I thought stoning was barbaric. I'd take that any day. At least it would be over relatively quickly compared to this shit.
Remember in the USA back when you could be hung for stealing or killing a horse?
Same thing, different time.
(not that it's right)
[QUOTE=01271;44553498]Remember in the USA back when you could be hung for stealing or killing a horse?
Same thing, different time.
(not that it's right)[/QUOTE]
No. One is a instantaneous death (if performed correctly) and one is a punishment designed to cause a dragged out, agonizing death. Not the same thing at all.
Although all forms of capital punishment are wrong.
I meant in the way that "killing for stealing a motorcycle is barbaric" was concerned it imitates the past here.
Although these aren't fire ants/whatever ants they used for torture
[video=youtube;XhOtYtbK3Ic]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhOtYtbK3Ic[/video]
This really shows that it looks painful ;
Also, they might enter your mouth/nose :v:
[QUOTE=doommarine23;44552053]Capital punishment as a whole is barbaric and something a civilized world should strive to move away from. Even with this stated, to be quickly killed by a proper hanging is far more quick and far more humane than to die slowly with constant agony for days.[/QUOTE]
death is death, imo the process doesn't matter. You're not gonna get PTSD from it. just as bad any way.
[QUOTE=Noss;44552903]quite a bit of [B]sociopathy[/B] going on in this thread
[editline]15th April 2014[/editline]
lol no its barbaric on a fundamental level
i don't care where the fuck this took place, they tortured and almost executed people for three days straight
anybody who enjoys doing that to others is absolutely fucked up[/QUOTE]
so by sociopathy you mean that you see anti-social tendencies in this thread, or are you just throwing around that word ? great; that doesn't mean people enjoy people being tortured for days. Discussing WHY it might have happened in this area isn't enjoying it either.
Guessing the villagers that strapped them to a tree didn't enjoy torturing a fellow human either, it just didn't stop them from doing it. Because who knows how much those dirtbikes meant to their village? (fyi that isn't condoning what happened)
Anybody arguing that the entire village might be doomed if the motorbikes might be stolen should realize that killing the people who might have stolen it doesn't change anything. The motorbikes are already safe once you've captured the thieves.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44552996]"torturing people and leaving them to die in a slow and painful way is a-ok because their society has different standards"
what the hell people[/QUOTE]
where did anyone say that or did you just make up that quote based off the fact that people are just trying to understand why this might have happened?
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;44553819]Anybody arguing that the entire village might be doomed if the motorbikes might be stolen should realize that killing the people who might have stolen it doesn't change anything. The motorbikes are already safe once you've captured the thieves.[/QUOTE]
You need to consider their situation though. The village probably don't even have a phone.
They don't really have a "law", most crimes that take place are probably automatically punished by death. The 2 thieves are kind of lucky that they're alive. They could have just been beat to death or whatever the instant they were caught.
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;44553819]Anybody arguing that [B]the entire village might be doomed if the motorbikes might be stolen should[/B] realize that killing the people who might have stolen it doesn't change anything. The motorbikes are already safe once you've captured the thieves.[/QUOTE]
disagreed, the point is that it might have been the biggest reason that they decided to torture them for this crime, don't you see that? The fact that it might have crippled the village without the motorbikes. And the motorbikes WERE stolen, not 'might'
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;44553872]where did anyone say that or did you just make up that quote based off the fact that people are just trying to understand why this might have happened?[/QUOTE]
tons of dumbs on people who are calling it barbaric and tons of agrees on posts that might as well be calling it 100% understandable
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44553969]tons of dumbs on people who are calling it barbaric and tons of agrees on posts that might as well be calling it 100% understandable[/QUOTE]
Idk, I guess I just don't consider ratings a legitimate basis of peoples opinions. They are tossed around so easily (and some people even rate for absolutely no reason)
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;44553819]Anybody arguing that the entire village might be doomed if the motorbikes might be stolen should realize that killing the people who might have stolen it doesn't change anything. The motorbikes are already safe once you've captured the thieves.[/QUOTE]
Their purpose wasn't to kill them, but ransom them for the cash to cover the motorbikes, and it worked. They don't have lawyers and courts.
[QUOTE=Noss;44552903]quite a bit of sociopathy going on in this thread
[editline]15th April 2014[/editline]
lol no its barbaric on a fundamental level
i don't care where the fuck this took place, they tortured and almost executed people for three days straight
anybody who enjoys doing that to others is absolutely fucked up[/QUOTE]
Are you honestly expecting a bunch of Amazonian's to know any better? It's a fear factor punishment, a lot of less developed societies use them because as far as they're concerned it's an effective deterrent. If you're expecting them to be a bunch of liberally minded rights activists you're setting your expectations way too high.
It doesn't actually surprise me that these type of torture methods are used. I do not see these people as barbaric, because my own countrymen use things like waterboarding, nail-pulling, and similar torture methods to extract information from people.
Does it mean I like what they did? Fuck no. Death by fire-ant poison would be a horrid death, and my mention of Arizona having some screwed up people comes from stories about the Mexican Cartels burying people up to their necks, burning the skin on their faces, and then covering their head in some sugary substance so animals and insects would eat them alive.
Make mental note: You fuck with too many people, someday you'll eventually run into a group like this who may kill you for simply looking at them the wrong way. Mankind isn't exactly a nice and peaceful species, and the concept of "civilized justice" has only existed since the 1930's.
What the hell do you people want the Amazonians to do? Put the thieves in their state-of-the-art rehabilitation center that they don't have?
Like seriously you people have unrealistic perceptions of the world.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;44554472]What the hell do you people want the Amazonians to do? Put the thieves in their state-of-the-art rehabilitation center that they don't have?
Like seriously you people have unrealistic perceptions of the world.[/QUOTE]
I dunno what they would have done, doesn't mean that I can't say that torture for 72 hours non stop is really inhumane
I never said it was humane. I'm just saying its unrealistic to think the villagers COULD have done anything else.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;44554472]What the hell do you people want the Amazonians to do? Put the thieves in their state-of-the-art rehabilitation center that they don't have?
Like seriously you people have unrealistic perceptions of the world.[/QUOTE]
hey how about not actually torturing the thieves, that'd be a good start
Nowhere in the article does it say the bikes were recovered when they captured the thieves, as in the article it says the ransom was to make up for the loss of the motorbikes.
Not condoning the behavior, nor do I have an opinion on it, but that's what the article says.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;44554548]I never said it was humane. I'm just saying its unrealistic to think the villagers COULD have done anything else.[/QUOTE]
Yes indeed, there were no trees to tie the thieves to that weren't covered in fire ants. They couldn't help but torture them for days on end.
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;44555950]Yes indeed, there were no trees to tie the thieves to that weren't covered in fire ants. They couldn't help but torture them for days on end.[/QUOTE]
No I think he means the ransom for the thieves to get the money they needed to cover the bikes they never got back
[QUOTE=Duskin;44553876]You need to consider their situation though. The village probably don't even have a phone.
They don't really have a "law", most crimes that take place are probably automatically punished by death. The 2 thieves are kind of lucky that they're alive. They could have just been beat to death or whatever the instant they were caught.[/QUOTE]
Funny story. In one episode of the Animal Planet show River Monsters, Jeremy Wade went to an African fishing village. The chieftain's brother didn't return that night, and it was considered an omen. They locked him in a hut, and if the brother hadn't of come back, they were going to stone him to death.
Interacting with tribes can be a touchy affair.
Maybe next time they wont steal :P
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;44552028]Someone steals your bike, so what do you do? [i]You kidnap them and let them die slowly and painfully if you don't get your money[/i]. That's fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE]
you woulda just shot em right m8
Hey guys. A few motorbikes may seem like nothing to you. But in a small backwater village in the Amazon those bikes likely cost a pretty large portion of the villages COMBINED income.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;44558232]Hey guys. A few motorbikes may seem like nothing to you. But in a small backwater village in the Amazon those bikes likely cost a pretty large portion of the villages COMBINED income.[/QUOTE]
nobody's arguing against that, but trying to use that to justify TORTURE is creepy as fuck
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;44558328]nobody's arguing against that, but trying to use that to justify TORTURE is creepy as fuck[/QUOTE]
Culture differences. I'm sure some aliens would come down here and be all "wtf you imprison and kill criminals? lol why not brainwash into servitude, dummies."
[QUOTE=Robman8908;44558340]Culture differences. I'm sure some aliens would come down here and be all "wtf you imprison and kill criminals? lol why not brainwash into servitude, dummies."[/QUOTE]
like i said already, trying to justify it because "lol different culture" is stupid. people don't go "hey guys we have to understand, it's a different culture" when people get stoned to death in countries ruled by sharia law
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