Pope Benedict stumped by Japanese girl's question about suffering - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29408049]since we're human beings trying to decide our own fates and why is rationality a bad thing? Rationality should come into EVERYTHING.[/QUOTE] I was making a joke about them being rational about it :sigh:

[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;29407616]Thank you Zeke, that's what we really need. Here, have a heart cookie to heal yourself.[/QUOTE] On the flipside if a religious person is being preachy and pushy I will likely end up being a massive jerkass to them

[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;29408459]I was making a joke about them being rational about it :sigh:[/QUOTE] i'm terribly sorry, I didn't recognize that as a joke. Here, have some hearts bro.

Lol what a bullshit answer. The Pope doesn't believe what he preaches. He's in the Illuminati plot. They all want you dead.

[QUOTE=THEMikeDurham;29414513]Lol what a bullshit answer. The Pope doesn't believe what he preaches. He's in the Illuminati plot. They all want you dead.[/QUOTE] And Slenderman is how they get you.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29394542] Frankly, if anyone ever took the time to read the Greek Philosophers, even if they are the most common of them, it would hopefully, shut down this Objective fucking truth bullshit.[/QUOTE] Not going back on my word so I've left out the rest. Anyway, natural law - it hasn't been denounced yet, and its a prime example of objectivity. Personally, I fail to see, for example, how the rape of a child can under /any/ circumstance be ruled as morally right - THAT is an example of an objective moral truth, imo. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29406203]Religious people it seems, do not question themselves and when forced to, shut themselves up.[/QUOTE] Need to point out that that's simply not true. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul[/url] On a personal level, I've had my doubts about my faith, and I'm sure plenty of others have.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29370659]John Paul from what I remember of him, was a pretty kicking rad pope.[/QUOTE] He was easily the best one the Vatican has ever had.

[QUOTE=Waals Vander;29405401]if you were to treat god as a philosophy, which i think athiests should at least do, then think back to what socrates said: "the unexamined life is not worth living" a man discovers a lot about himself and the world around him by understand god.[/QUOTE] I don't understand god. I literally can't envisage something being "perfect" or omnibenevolent. Metaphysically, I don't think there is any analytical basis for [i]goodness[/i], let alone benevolence. I don't have a clue what people are actually talking about when they appeal to god. It's meaningless.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29408016]and my question is, how can you rationally believe any of that without any proof[/QUOTE] Oh, I never said I really believed in it... Not anymore... Deism is much more rational.

Can't we all just agree that if God exists, he's a massive wienie for letting that earthquake happen?

seriously? He doesnt get this question all the time? I thought he would have a predetermined response for any "Why does x suffer for y when god loves x?"

Benedict was a hitler youth. nuff' said

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;29418288]Not going back on my word so I've left out the rest. Anyway, natural law - it hasn't been denounced yet, and its a prime example of objectivity. Personally, I fail to see, for example, how the rape of a child can under /any/ circumstance be ruled as morally right - THAT is an example of an objective moral truth, imo. Need to point out that that's simply not true. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul[/url] On a personal level, I've had my doubts about my faith, and I'm sure plenty of others have.[/QUOTE] But it's not. To some people that seems like a great idea. It horrifies me. It horrifies you. But to some it seems like a good idea. It can't be objective if they see it that way. That's like saying Nazi's thought they were evil for doing what they were doing rather than believing in it. No one believes what they do is evil or they wouldn't do it, so you can't objectify anything to be evil or wrong. Don't for a second think i'm defending the actions of these people, I'm just saying that there's no way to look at it objectively [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=OrionChronicles;29436755]Benedict was a hitler youth. nuff' said[/QUOTE] Even though I don't like this pope I really have to say that being in the nazi youth isn't that bad, and growing up in germany after the war caused a huge separation from those feelings so I doubt that really has much to do with anything he does.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29438187]But it's not. To some people that seems like a great idea. It horrifies me. It horrifies you. But to some it seems like a good idea. It can't be objective if they see it that way. That's like saying Nazi's thought they were evil for doing what they were doing rather than believing in it. No one believes what they do is evil or they wouldn't do it, so you can't objectify anything to be evil or wrong. Don't for a second think i'm defending the actions of these people, I'm just saying that there's no way to look at it objectively [editline]25th April 2011[/editline] Even though I don't like this pope I really have to say that being in the nazi youth isn't that bad, and growing up in germany after the war caused a huge separation from those feelings so I doubt that really has much to do with anything he does.[/QUOTE] Especially since he went AWOL from his the AA unit he was stationed with.

[QUOTE=Swilly;29438252]Especially since he went AWOL from his the AA unit he was stationed with.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's not exactly a good thing for the record, but really, at that age, it's not like the damage can't be undone.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29438187]But it's not. To some people that seems like a great idea. It horrifies me. It horrifies you. But to some it seems like a good idea. It can't be objective if they see it that way. That's like saying Nazi's thought they were evil for doing what they were doing rather than believing in it. No one believes what they do is evil or they wouldn't do it, so you can't objectify anything to be evil or wrong. Don't for a second think i'm defending the actions of these people, I'm just saying that there's no way to look at it objectively [/QUOTE] It depends on whether you believe humans have in innate sense of right and wrong. Some ethical theories (once again, e.g. natural law) believe that there is. Can all people recognise this? Maybe not, or maybe they just choose to ignore it. I mean, I've done wrong things in the past (wrong in this sense being what is defined as wrong by my society, e.g. theft). At the time it didn't seem bad, but looking back I know it was. E: Benedict hated the Hitler Youth - he was forced to join it. Eventually, he finally just deserted. I can't see how any of that indicates he was somehow a half-Nazi, or something.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;29438459]It depends on whether you believe humans have in innate sense of right and wrong. Some ethical theories (once again, e.g. natural law) believe that there is. Can all people recognise this? Maybe not, or maybe they just choose to ignore it. I mean, I've done wrong things in the past (wrong in this sense being what is defined as wrong by my society, e.g. theft). At the time it didn't seem bad, but looking back I know it was. E: Benedict hated the Hitler Youth - he was forced to join it. Eventually, he finally just deserted. I can't see how any of that indicates he was somehow a half-Nazi, or something.[/QUOTE] I don't really believe we have an "ingrained sense" of morals to be honest. Whatever morals we do acqure, we acquire solely through society and interaction with other people. I believe if we were raised under entirely different conditions, we'd turn out quite differently I think feral children are a really good example of this, kids who've never been raised or had interaction but grew up through natural processes, basically being just animals. Any ingrained moral code would have to survive that to be considered ingrained or innate, and from what I know of feral kids, this sadly isn't the case.

I don't know. I still believe that, at the deeper sense, there is some shared human understand of what is good. This need not be specific, but founded on deep principles - e.g., love of life. Personally I don't know any feral kids, but I'd be surprised to think they had absolutely no similar understand of what is inherently right, at some level.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;29438598]I don't know. I still believe that, at the deeper sense, there is some shared human understand of what is good. This need not be specific, but founded on deep principles - e.g., love of life. Personally I don't know any feral kids, but I'd be surprised to think they had absolutely no similar understand of what is inherently right, at some level.[/QUOTE] Well, it's not likely to know any feral children fortunately, but [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child[/url] They're not exactly anything but animals, and all people are is simply well mannered(fairly) animals.

whenever a christian cant find a proper answer to a question they just use the good old "jesus suffered for us" line