Dover officer who kicked prone suspect in the face found not guilty of assault - Polidicks

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49276802]It is justifiable whether you like or not.[/QUOTE]If his intention was to kick him in the torso then he's got some bad aim, the distance between the torso and the jaw is a pretty great one and if you're going to kick someone hard enough where it shatters their jaw you better be damn sure you hit them in the right spot, unfortunately he didn't do this, which is why it's excessive. He couldn't have kneed his back? Forced him on the ground? He didn't have to kick him so hard that his jaw got dislocated. [QUOTE=KillRay;49276803]The thing is, even if he did try and sprint right there the other officer circled right in front of him. I doubt he would be able to get enough speed from there to get away.[/QUOTE]Cops don't want to kill people (despite the media painting them that way), if he lunged at them they would have opened fire immediately and shot him to death. The heat of the moment is a powerful thing and makes you do crazy things, both for the cops and the suspect.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49276808]Because moving [I]quickly[/I] as a black man suspected of having a gun on you gets you shot and killed.[/QUOTE] Nice, pull the race card. Real class act.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49276802]It is justifiable whether you like or not.[/QUOTE] Oh, well, I guess that clears it all up then. Thread's over folks, move along! :rolleyes: [editline]8th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=-nesto-;49276814]Nice, pull the race card. Real class act.[/QUOTE] How is it not relevant given the massive nationwide spotlight on excessive force against young black males? Like, there's just no winning in this case. If he moves fast, he's going for a gun, shoot him! Not fast enough? Probably trying to run, better cave in his face. Cases like this are why we are currently having mass protests across the country calling for more accountability and professionalism from our police forces.

[QUOTE=OvB;49276798]Career criminals commit crime. Not a surprise. Still not justification for excessive force.[/QUOTE] Why are they always the "victim?"

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49276771]Did you watch it? He stopped going prone, which put him in a position to flee, and was kicked after.[/QUOTE] I'm legally blind in one eye, but I'm pretty sure the perp was a couple seconds from being prone on the ground until he got fed a foot sandwich with a side of police brutality. Maybe I need a better perscription. Maybe you need to recognize blatant police brutality. Who knows?

I don't care if it was Usain Bolt at a sprinters block. There's no reason to kick a man that is getting down. There was hardly enough time to determine whether or not he was compliant. The officer acted to quickly and broke his jaw. I'm usually defending cops in these cases but I cannot see how this can be justified. [I]At best[/I] it was a negligent mistake in the heat of the moment. The use of force was absolutely unnecessary. [QUOTE=agentfazexx;49276828]Why are they always the "victim?"[/QUOTE] Because he got kicked in the face and broke his jaw while complying with an officers orders?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49276828]Why are they always the "victim?"[/QUOTE] Because he was prone, compliant, and got kicked in the face hard enough to break his jaw? What else would you call him? He may have been guilty of committing crimes, but he was [I]also[/I] a victim of assault. One doesn't preclude the other. I'm just curious about something, man. Your first words in this thread were, "fucked up." Then you found out he had a criminal record, though, you're suddenly decrying the world as being "too PC" for being upset about this ruling? What changed? It's still fucked up, regardless of the guy's record. Even you thought so. The suspect being a career criminal does not strip him of his right to not be kicked in the face for no reason.

The sprinter's stance? That's a new defense. How do you guys usually become prostrate very quickly? Do you flop down face and belly first like a dying mackerel or use your hands and knees to lower yourself to the ground in a somewhat orderly fashion?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49276839]Because he was prone, compliant, and got kicked in the face hard enough to break his jaw? What else would you call him? He may have been guilty of committing crimes, but he was [I]also[/I] a victim of assault. One doesn't preclude the other.[/QUOTE]I don't know why you're saying he was prone this is prone [img]http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/fitness/pilatessketches/MckenzieExt0.gif[/img] this is the position he was in just prior to the kick [img]http://i.imgur.com/Kxum5Up.jpg[/img] I agree with you it was excessive but let's try to stay objective about this

[QUOTE=axelord157;49276874]The sprinter's stance? That's a new defense. How do you guys usually become prostrate very quickly? Do you flop down face and belly first like a dying mackeral or use your hands and knees to lower yourself to the ground in a somewhat orderly fashion?[/QUOTE] [t]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130714122554-03-belly-flop-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Killer900;49276880]I don't know why you're saying he was prone this is prone [img]http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/fitness/pilatessketches/MckenzieExt0.gif[/img] this is the position he was in just prior to the kick [img]http://i.imgur.com/Kxum5Up.jpg[/img] I agree with you it was excessive but let's try to stay objective about this[/QUOTE] How do you reckon he is supposed to get from standing to laying down? How would you do it? Without belly-flopping or teleporting, you're going to have to drop down to your knees first.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49276718]He was a criminal. Had already run from police that night, was on probation, and was even suspected of having a weapon. I'm not gonna paint the dude as being innocent or loveable, but the officer's use of force there was completely fuckin' overboard. Dude was almost fully prone, complying completely with the officer's demands, and the officer kicked him in the face hard enough to knock him unconscious and break his jaw. I can't disagree strongly enough with the jury's findings in this case. That was a clear example of unnecessary and excessive force, and the officer is getting off without any charges. This is why people protest for more police accountability.[/QUOTE] It was brought to a grand jury twice, and went on trial the second time. A jury found him not guilty, what you want? He got away with it because of a jury of 12 people.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49276839]Because he was prone, compliant, and got kicked in the face hard enough to break his jaw? What else would you call him? He may have been guilty of committing crimes, but he was [I]also[/I] a victim of assault. One doesn't preclude the other.[/QUOTE] He wasn't prone though. His knee was to more towards his chest than the ground with his right foot like a sprinter would. The guy hesitates. Turn youtube speed to 0.25 and watch for yourself.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49276839]Because he was prone, compliant, and got kicked in the face hard enough to break his jaw? What else would you call him? He may have been guilty of committing crimes, but he was [I]also[/I] a victim of assault. One doesn't preclude the other. I'm just curious about something, man. Your first words in this thread were, "fucked up." Then you found out he had a criminal record, though, you're suddenly decrying the world as being "too PC" for being upset about this ruling? What changed? It's still fucked up, regardless of the guy's record. Even you thought so. The suspect being a career criminal does not strip him of his right to not be kicked in the face for no reason.[/QUOTE] While I disagree with the officer's actions, this useless piece of filth shouldn't be out fucking robbing stores. He got what was coming to him. "Career criminal" is just a word to make people feel better about judging police. I see posts on Facebook, "Yo, got court today, lulz I'm gonna get locked up." Like, really? Stop fucking being a god damn felon and this shit won't happen. Your fucking preschool teacher taught you right from wrong. If you can't comprehend that, you deserve to get kicked around to get your shit in line.

[QUOTE=Killer900;49276880]I don't know why you're saying he was prone this is prone [img]http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/fitness/pilatessketches/MckenzieExt0.gif[/img] this is the position he was in just prior to the kick [img]http://i.imgur.com/Kxum5Up.jpg[/img] I agree with you it was excessive but let's try to stay objective about this[/QUOTE] There's no way to transition from standing to prone without either kneeling or sitting, unless you want to just drop directly down into a pushup position, a movement that could easily be misconstrued as lunging at the cops.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49276892]How do you reckon he is supposed to get from standing to laying down? How would you do it? Without belly-flopping or teleporting, you're going to have to drop down to your knees first.[/QUOTE]Yeah like that I was just trying to understand why you're saying he was prone :pudge: [QUOTE=Zeke129;49276901]There's no way to transition from standing to prone without either kneeling or sitting, unless you want to just drop directly down into a pushup position, a movement that could easily be misconstrued as lunging at the cops.[/QUOTE]BDA is saying he was prone I'm just pointing out he wasn't actually prone.

Just gave it a try and I couldn't find away to get on the ground without striking that same position. I hope I don't get a boot to the face because my bad back might prohibit me from hitting the deck in under a second!

[QUOTE=OvB;49276904]Just gave it a try and I couldn't find away to get on the ground without striking that same position. I hope I don't get a boot to the face because my bad back might prohibit me from hitting the deck in under a second![/QUOTE] I can do it by sitting, laying on my back, then rolling over, but I have a feeling I'd get arrested for resisting if I tried pulling that goofy shit when a cop tells me to lay down.

[QUOTE=MR-X;49276893]It was brought to a grand jury twice, and went on trial the second time. A jury found him not guilty, what you want? He got away with it because of a jury of 12 people.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make it right, though. Being found "not guilty" is not the same thing as being found innocent, nor does it mean that I or anybody else have to agree it was a just ruling. Clearly there is a lot of controversy surrounding it, so it seems perfectly appropriate to discuss it.

[QUOTE=MR-X;49276893]He got away with it because of a jury of 12 people.[/QUOTE] And that's ultimately the end of it. Justice served is not always the Justice you want. If a jury of 12 peers found him not guilty, then it is what it is.

How the fuck is that a "sprinter's position"? Try going prone. Actually, try going prone when you have 2 armed men yelling at you. Now try not to injure yourself whilst doing so. "sprinter's position" my ass, people are trying so hard to justify unneeded force.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49276771]Did you watch it? He stopped going prone, which put him in a position to flee, and was kicked after.[/QUOTE] It looked more like he got kicked in the face in the middle of going prone to me lol. Give the guy a few milliseconds before you break his jaw seems like a fair rule, doesn't it? Seriously, who the hell are these people that are on juries and keep acquitting cops?

He stopped going prone, thats the point. He started to comply and stopped when he went to one knee, how hard is that to understand.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49276918]How the fuck is that a "sprinter's position"? Try going prone. Actually, try going prone when you have 2 armed men yelling at you. Now try not to injure yourself whilst doing so. "sprinter's position" my ass, people are trying so hard to justify unneeded force.[/QUOTE]Hawhat? Whose trying to justify anything except maybe [I]maybe[/I] agentfazexx?

[QUOTE=Killer900;49276903]Yeah like that I was just trying to understand why you're saying he was prone :pudge: BDA is saying he was prone I'm just pointing out he wasn't actually prone.[/QUOTE] Sorry, you're right, it's more accurate to say that he was in the process of going prone, not that he was already prone.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49276814]Nice, pull the race card. Real class act.[/QUOTE] this has everything to do with race but apparently bringing up the obvious is "pulling the race card" and gets your argument dismissed

[QUOTE=Killer900;49276927]Hawhat? Whose trying to justify anything except maybe [I]maybe[/I] agentfazexx?[/QUOTE] Wanna re-read my post above? Or are you still taking the side of the felon?

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49276926]He stopped going prone, thats the point. He started to comply and stopped when he went to one knee, how hard is that to understand.[/QUOTE] How do you suppose he "stopped" when he was currently in the process of making it to the prone position? In order to go prone you have to drop to your knees and kick your legs out one at a time, unless you decide to put your weight on your front hands and playfully kick both legs out at the same time, no?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;49276931]this has everything to do with race but apparently bringing up the obvious is "pulling the race card" and gets your argument dismissed[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with race, please cite a source that says the officers actions were racially motivated.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49276899]While I disagree with the officer's actions, this useless piece of filth shouldn't be out fucking robbing stores. He got what was coming to him. "Career criminal" is just a word to make people feel better about judging police. I see posts on Facebook, "Yo, got court today, lulz I'm gonna get locked up." Like, really? Stop fucking being a god damn felon and this shit won't happen. Your fucking preschool teacher taught you right from wrong. If you can't comprehend that, you deserve to get kicked around to get your shit in line.[/QUOTE] So, basically, you don't actually have any respect whatsoever for judicial use of force, and as long as it's criminals who are getting violently assaulted without provocation, you're totally cool with it? You're fully agreeing that the officer did not [I]need[/I] to kick his face in, just that the suspect "deserved it?"