Muslim Wall Street Journal reporter and co-founder of the Muslim Reform Movement voted Trump. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51354988][I]Spite? [/I] I dont have a "a desire to deliberately hurt, annoy, or offend someone". I didnt write that post to spite Trump supporters. I wrote it as part to argue with them. argue with them to show them that what they claimed above, was, in my opinion, not true at all. It doesnt matter what is written on FP, whereas they say "your posts are making them vote that way". Ridicilous claim. Such attitude in social media, yes, but posts on here? No way. They forgot, and I wanted to remind them, they forgot that everything about Trump was, relatively civilly, discussed here. Dont forget that. Dont claim otherwise. This forum did accomodate Trump supporters. People werent as hostile as people on this thread claim. We accomodated Pvt Martin, who called Zilla "a gender confused twad", wystan, who called Austin a "liberal stained shithole" and pulling out a right contraceptive, and many others, as long as we could. With all the information available, they had no excuses. This election had "right" and "wrong" choices for the average American. To go against their own interests makes them stupid. People who hurt themselves to spite others and brag about that on vidy gaem forums are stupid. Sue me. This is what it is. This is not my ego, or my desire to offend you. This is how I see it, and I am confident I see it accurately. I voted once, I voted against Erdogan in Turkey. Insult me based on that if you will. I voted strategically there too, because even though it is not as bad as American system, Turkish election system isnt perfect either. I am not butthurt, I am just dissappointed, and frustrated when it comes to Trump supporters' spite here. How am I "opening myself up for trouble"? I do not intend to be divisive. I just want people recognize their mistakes instead of brag about them, here on FP. Maybe I do a bad job at it, by beig confrontational like this. But I cant find "politeness" and PC inside me right now. This is the best I can do right now. This forum is gonna be fun yes, because it was such a clear cut choice and not 2 equal evils, so one side find in itself to rightfully insult the other side. It is not a simple political disagreement. Donald J. Trump got elected as the POTUS. This isnt a petty dispute. I dont think I am on a high horse. Especially when I am on this horse with almost the rest of the forum. I am not on a horse, Trump supporters are in a hole. A hole they dug themselves.[/QUOTE] What you're doing is [I]the textbook definition[/I] of sitting on a high horse, and holier-than-thou. The fact that you feel [I]justified[/I] in calling anyone "stupid" and feel that those you call stupid don't have that same right to call you stupid is not only exactly that, but it's borderline delusional. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] Here's a tip: No American here on Facepunch voted for Trump [I]just[/I] so they could post about it here out of spite. Just because your arguments against trump/for Hillary sounded completely reasonable, believable, logical, and obvious to you, doesn't mean the person you were arguing thought the same.

If this election has proven anything, it's that people are complete morons. Maybe everyone needs to get knocked down a peg. Maybe instead of ridiculing the other side less, we need to ridicule everyone more.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51355416]Lets boil it down, go deeper, lets analyse this. I really want to understand, and learn, I really am not on a high horse and willing to arue about it. OP is a single-issue voter. Well, two issues. Healthcare and foreign policy in the ME, anything else, she doesnt care. I find this stupid, because I find single-issue voters to be detrimental to their own selves, thus a "behaviour that shows a lack of good sense or judgement.", definition of stupidity according to Google. You not, that is okay. This here is opinion, not "high horse". Lets take the guy you posted. What he said throughout the whole video, I find, boils down to not "Trump voters arent stupid", but "Calling Trump supporters stupid is stupid because it disenfranchises them". He didnt say anything about whether or not they were stupid or not. They may as well be stupid, but telling that to their face is wrong and undermines any case of persuasion says the guy on the video, and I agree 100%. But we are not discussing voter persuasion tactics. We are discussing whether or not Trump supporters made a stupid decision, and we can because we are not the DNC, we are an online forum. The claim "Statements like this are what got Trump more supporters." I honestly do not understand this so I cant really comment. I feel like this means they voted that way out of spite though. orrect me on this. What I really have yet to hear is a strong case of voting for Trump. OP is a case of voting for Trump, but it really isnt strong. At all. If that is the best a non-bigoted, rational person can do, I feel like not only me, but everybody can call voting for Trump an objectively stupid decision that an American can come to. IF you know of any strong case for Trump, please share.[/QUOTE] "Any strong case for trump"? I'm not gonna fall for that, since defending Trump was never the point of any of my posts, but I will say that unlike you I respect single-issue voters and understand their position, so I can see why they would vote trump to, for instance, get more gun rights. It might be a selfish vote but a vote is a selfish thing so there should be no complaints there apart from "he's not voting for the reasons I want him/her to vote"

"I wrote that as a child of India, arriving in the United States at the age of 4 in the summer of 1969, I have absolutely no fears about being a Muslim in a “Trump America.” The checks and balances in America and our rich history of social justice and civil rights will never allow the fear-mongering that has been attached to candidate Trump’s rhetoric to come to fruition." Eh, that's debatable. We've done a [I]lot[/I] of unconstitutional shit because of fear of foreign influence. [editline]a[/editline] I agree that there's no way in hell he'll be able to do something like the mexico wall, but he could still try some dumb shit.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51351588]Trumos health plan MUST include provisions that health insurance companies can no longer refuse coverage to people with preexisting conditions if it wants to be functional at even a basic level. That was an absolutely critical component of the ACA and it simply cannot be lost. Insurance companies should not be able to decide that some people aren't profitable enough to receive lifesaving medical care.[/QUOTE] This is what hillary supporters ACTUALLY believe... tbh this rhetoric and the clear "shes just as bad" part made her lose...

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51350562]I've been saying it for years. Muslims themselves should be very afraid of Islamic extremism as they are its biggest victims. If she rated this issue very highly, its not surprising that she voted this way.[/QUOTE] Trump victimising and legitimising hatred towards muslims in the US is going to help IS more than hinder them. As for tackling IS abroad his plan appears to be "ask the generals" and "take their oil"

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51358723][B]Trump victimising and legitimising hatred towards muslims in the US is going to help IS more than hinder them.[/B] As for tackling IS abroad his plan appears to be "ask the generals" and "take their oil"[/QUOTE] [media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=0HSe2gf2fxg[/media]

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51358945][media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=0HSe2gf2fxg[/media][/QUOTE] Hah! the jokes on you! I didn't even watch your video! On a serious note IS themselves have admitted this is the case and they use hate attacks against muslims as propaganda. They use the marginalisation as proof that the west hates Islam and wants to humiliate and oppress muslims. So anyone hating on muslims is sort of an IS buddy, helping prove their narrative and sharing in their irrational hatred of shiites.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51354255][video=youtube;GLG9g7BcjKs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs[/video] Reckon you should watch this, BDA.[/QUOTE] I noticed this in the comments: [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5013896/forum/Facepunch/Sensationalist%20Headlines/11.2016/firefox_2016-11-12_15-34-44.png[/img] :toot: It seems a lot of people who initially freaked out at the results are finally starting to realise what's been going on this election. I glad clinton's career is in shambles, but we'll have to wait and see if that's enough to not have her replaced by some equally sanctimonious equally right-wing-ish candidate. (Well, [I]I[/I]'ll have to wait and see for the most part. If you're in the US, I'd appreciate it if you could become active in that regard.) Considering what I've seen since late 2014, there are [I]a lot[/I] of people who'd rather have someone like her than a genuine progressive in power though, even if they have to be utterly dishonest to achieve that.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51359003]You literally criticized a person in another thread because he compared Trump supporters to Nazis and here you are posting a video that compares Islam to Nazism Wow Also please dont turn this thread into another "Is Islam to blame?" thread, it is pointless and exhausting and especially you, have argued this a million times, either you or the rest of this forum is inconvincable, so pointless.[/QUOTE] He isn't comparing Islam to Nazism. He is comparing Radical Islam to Nazism. Maybe you don't see the difference.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51359054]He says politicians tiptoe around "Islam as a problem" then say, imply a scenario, "What if they tiptoed around Nazism?" Then you attack me. Nice. How about correcting me?[/QUOTE] I see no problem at all with comparing the problems with Islam today with Nazism. And I didn't attack you at all, and I did correct you. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Primigenes;51359063]The guy literally says in the beginning of the video "Does she think there is a non radical form of islamism".[/QUOTE] Do you know what Islamism is? [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism[/url] "Islamism, also known as Political Islam (Arabic: إسلام سياسي‎‎ islām siyāsī), is an Islamic revival movement often characterized by moral conservatism, and the attempt "to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life."" Tell me what the non-radical part of that is.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;51359108][B]The same guy in the video is interchanging words between Islam, Islamism, and Jihadism as if they're all the same thing.[/B] And yes all the constant shit talk about Islam isn't helping your case. Do you think this rhetoric where you need to use words specifically targeting a group of people is helping anyone. I know people who think Muslims should be barred from entering this country. All you're doing is emboldening these idiots and proving ISIS right because now they have proof that the West hates them. His same argument could be targeted at Christian militia's in shitty third world countries[/QUOTE] No... he isn't. Find me an example of him doing that. And "Christian militias" lmao. They don't even total 1% of islamist and jihadist groups. They're a non issue. Don't make false equivalences.

If you are actually curious about of the legit connection of radical islam today to Nazi ideology, I highly recommend people do some research into Amin Al-Huessini and his time in Nazi Germany. [t]http://www.thetower.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-036-05_Amin_al_Husseini_bei_bosnischen_SS-Freiwilligen_Fotor.jpg[/t] Basically he was suppose to cause issues in the Middle East with what he learned in Bosnia using his own Muslim SS group and become a "Fuhrer" for the middle east, but instead he fucked off back to Palestine, and influenced people like Sayyid Qutb in the IWC who would later form the Muslim Brotherhood with Hassan Al Banna. There is a reason why militant islamists occasionally have a copy of Mein Kampf or the Protocols of Zion in Arabic.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51359332]If you are actually curious about of the legit connection of radical islam today to Nazi ideology, I highly recommend people do some research into Amin Al-Huessini and his time in Nazi Germany. [t]http://www.thetower.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1980-036-05_Amin_al_Husseini_bei_bosnischen_SS-Freiwilligen_Fotor.jpg[/t] Basically he was suppose to cause issues in the Middle East with what he learned in Bosnia using his own Muslim SS group and become a "Fuhrer" for the middle east, but instead he fucked off back to Palestine, and influenced people like Sayyid Qutb in the IWC who would later form the Muslim Brotherhood with Hassan Al Banna. There is a reason why militant islamists occasionally have a copy of Mein Kampf or the Protocols of Zion in Arabic.[/QUOTE] Hey, at the end of the day, they both hate the jews. It's something to bond over i guess

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51361051]Hey, at the end of the day, they both hate the jews. It's something to bond over i guess[/QUOTE] Well that's the interesting part. When did the general Islamic world change towards acceptance of being more antisemitic and not the previous "People of the Book" stance? Even at one point you had some middle eastern leaders interested in Jewish immigration with the Balfour declaration, because they believed it would bring in western investment. But I can tell you that people like the ones I previously listed have left their mark with radical/Islamist groups.