Autonomous technology "requires debate" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MidnightMuffin;16865341]I didn't say they wouldn't be networked. I guess they could share processing power.[/QUOTE] Why would they share processing power? By then they'd probably have the equivalent of an i7 in them.

If robots do everything, society will turn to mush.

[QUOTE=Hallucinate;16863024]Why are scietists insistant on forcing others into unemployment?[/QUOTE] yes fuck progress [editline]12:07AM[/editline] progress is evil and a communist thing to partake in

it would actually create more jobs. the people who need to clean, maintain, fuel and repair the machines. you dolts.

[QUOTE=Traxxasred;16865990]it would actually create more jobs. the people who need to clean, maintain, fuel and repair the machines. you dolts.[/QUOTE] But what about when they can clean and maintain themselves?

[QUOTE=MidnightMuffin;16865278]If cars drove themselves, it would have to figure out where all cars in existence are going, then predict where future routes for other cars are, all while planning its route. After about a few hundred or thousand cars, the entire system would be stuck in a loop or just crash, achieving nothing except a big mess.[/QUOTE] Why would the cars need to know the positions and destinations of every other car in existence?

[QUOTE=bigdoggie;16866040]But what about when they can clean and maintain themselves?[/QUOTE] then everybody dies

[QUOTE=Traxxasred;16866953]then everybody dies[/QUOTE] shut the fuck up.

[QUOTE=Hallucinate;16863024]Why are scietists insistant on forcing others into unemployment?[/QUOTE] Maybe because the whole point of a job is that it's something that needs doing. You contribute by doing this job, you get money, you can trade for others contributions. Automate everything and you don't need people to work anymore. Nobody needs to contribute anything so money, trade and work become irrelevant. I don't think anyone's going to give a fuck if you want to work alongside robots. Have a blast.

If I ever get a sentient robot, I wouldn't treat it as a tool, I'd be nice to it and shit, so if a robot apocalypse ever happens, I'll atleast have one robot I can trust :(

[QUOTE=The Epidemic;16867662]If I ever get a sentient robot, I wouldn't treat it as a tool, I'd be nice to it and shit, so if a robot apocalypse ever happens, I'll atleast have one robot I can trust :([/QUOTE] If you get a sentient robot, I'd certainly hope you don't treat it as a tool, because I'd figure the same ethics apply to a sentient or sapient robot as to an animal or human. Consciousness is the result of biological mechanisms. Nothing sets a sentient organic mind apart from a sentient mechanical mind except how they form.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16867748]If you get a sentient robot, I'd certainly hope you don't treat it as a tool, because I'd figure the same ethics apply to a sentient or sapient robot as to an animal or human. Consciousness is the result of biological mechanisms. Nothing sets a sentient organic mind apart from a sentient mechanical mind except how they form.[/QUOTE] But Robots have arms that can rip your head right off that pretty little neck you have.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16867772]But Robots have arms that can rip your head right off that pretty little neck you have.[/QUOTE] So does Stallone but I don't treat him as a robot

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16867825]So does Stallone but I don't treat him as a robot[/QUOTE] Why not, he seems pretty damn close to one.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16867844]Why not, he seems pretty damn close to one.[/QUOTE] No that's Arnold.

[QUOTE=The Epidemic;16867908]No that's Arnold.[/QUOTE] I think they're the same model, at least I think Stallone might be an older model.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;16867748]If you get a sentient robot, I'd certainly hope you don't treat it as a tool, because I'd figure the same ethics apply to a sentient or sapient robot as to an animal or human. Consciousness is the result of biological mechanisms. Nothing sets a sentient organic mind apart from a sentient mechanical mind except how they form.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah, but the creators would probably leave atleast a litte programming or some shit to prevent the robot from committing murders and breaking laws, and maybe forced to listen to its owner.

[QUOTE=Micr0;16863340]The reason people always bring up the robot rebellion is because if we create a robot as intelligent as us, it will not want to do what we say if it doesn't like it. If we tell it to die, it won't just jump into a moving car because you told it too, it would probably ask why. If we tell it that there is a more upgraded version of you and we don't want you any more, it will probably run away or fight back to keep you from killing it. We could give robots equal rights when we reach this stage, but it's not likely humanity will do that. They will believe that they deserve to live even if they aren't as efficient as their most recent version, just like how brothers will think they still deserve to live even if they have a little brother that's better at everything. However, humans will not agree with the way the robot thinks and will consider the older counterpart useless and will throw it away. And who knows? Maybe robots will try and kill our elderly because they are old and inneficient.[/QUOTE] Er, you realize that the instinct to live is in fact an instinct, and a robot won't have that unless we give it to them? They might systematically evaluate their own worth, but if a new and better model came out, wouldn't they notice the unimportance of their existence and simply give up anyway? Remember, robots aren't people, their incredibly efficient thinking machines.

Congratulations on two full pages about robots taking over without using that meme.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16867772]But Robots have arms that can rip your head right off that pretty little neck you have.[/QUOTE] So if I had a chainsaw implanted into my arm, I would no longer be subject to human rights?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;16854201]This brings up another question. The shipping industry is nothing short of massive. A lot of people work in that industry. If we replace this with machines, what are we going to do with the tens of thousands of suddenly jobless people?[/QUOTE] Teach them to run the machines.

[QUOTE=Turrngait;16856743]Fuck people and their jobs. If a machine can do it better and longer and cheaper why would you bother keeping them?[/QUOTE] Because machines have no use for money. [editline]01:34AM[/editline] [QUOTE=DeadMollusk;16868349]Teach them to run the machines.[/QUOTE] And what if there's 10,000 of them, but it requires three people?

[QUOTE=Smirnoff Joe;16854352]Hmmm, that'd sure cause mass unemployment. But with all these mechs, we'd need programmers, so where one door closes, another would open.[/QUOTE] Your logic is a bit off. Only a handful of programmers would be needed. Technicians would be a better job.

Right, technicians.

So many people keep trying to say things like "Well, they would be born to do and love some task, so they'd do it." Thats what we have right now, factory machines. Assembly lines robots. They aren't thinking, learning, or feeling. A robot that can learn, feel, and think would build its own unique reactions and experiences. It falls down to basic psychology. At birth, we know literally nothing but instinct, but as time progresses and we observe those around us, we learn from them. Often times, our reactions to pain are based solely on how others react. If we commonly see that getting a paper cut results in people freaking out, we'll actually begin to grow in to the concept that it HAS to be that painful, making the experience really painful, even if it only did minor damage in reality. A truly sentient robot would be subject to individual emotions and experiences and would learn to react differently. So if it sees other robots that aren't programmed for its tasks reacting negatively to its task, its liable to develop a distaste for said task.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;16873081]So many people keep trying to say things like "Well, they would be born to do and love some task, so they'd do it." Thats what we have right now, factory machines. Assembly lines robots. They aren't thinking, learning, or feeling. A robot that can learn, feel, and think would build its own unique reactions and experiences. It falls down to basic psychology. At birth, we know literally nothing but instinct, but as time progresses and we observe those around us, we learn from them. Often times, our reactions to pain are based solely on how others react. If we commonly see that getting a paper cut results in people freaking out, we'll actually begin to grow in to the concept that it HAS to be that painful, making the experience really painful, even if it only did minor damage in reality. A truly sentient robot would be subject to individual emotions and experiences and would learn to react differently. So if it sees other robots that aren't programmed for its tasks reacting negatively to its task, its liable to develop a distaste for said task.[/QUOTE] Your first problem is that you're assuming robots will learn just as we do. Remember, we're a social species. We learn from each other because we're programmed to.

I think I see where this is going. Keep an eye out for X and Zero.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16873220]Your first problem is that you're assuming robots will learn just as we do. Remember, we're a social species. We learn from each other because we're programmed to.[/QUOTE] No we aren't. Learning just occurs. They aren't specific learning presets. It just happens. Its no different for us than a dog or a turtle.

[QUOTE=Zeddy;16874028]No we aren't. Learning just occurs. They aren't specific learning presets. It just happens. Its no different for us than a dog or a turtle.[/QUOTE] Mimicking surrounding peers, listening to authority figures, empathy, these are all pack related instincts. A robot would no more feel the possible pain of another robot than he would feel the pain of a termite.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;16874050]Mimicking surrounding peers, listening to authority figures, empathy, these are all pack related instincts. A robot would no more feel the possible pain of another robot than he would feel the pain of a termite.[/QUOTE] Even non-pack animals do these things. And our emotions towards subjects such as empathy and subjection to authority are learned. Quit having so much faith in humanity. We're not that special. And the robot would feel something, based on its experiences and learning. We do the same thing.