[QUOTE=Ridley;41790543]What I would love to do is to go by myself, climb to the top of Olympus Mons, and explore the "caves"
at the top of the volcano.
And also hearing absolutely nothing for once sounds totally tranquil and great to me.[/QUOTE]
And then in at least a week you'd be fucking insane, probably way before that.
People who think isolation is actually cool and fun have never felt true isolation or don't have everything quite right in their head.
[QUOTE=I am Error;41790701]And then in at least a week you'd be fucking insane, probably way before that.
People who think isolation is actually cool and fun have never felt true isolation or don't have everything quite right in their head.[/QUOTE]
Or you never get total silence and time for yourself for once.
[QUOTE=Ridley;41790751]Or you never get total silence and time for yourself for once.[/QUOTE]
That's all fine and so on, but you're talking about complete isolation.
Hell the sort of isolation you're talking about would be something no human has ever had before.
Nobody would like it.
[QUOTE=I am Error;41790945]That's all fine and so on, but you're talking about complete isolation.
Hell the sort of isolation you're talking about would be something no human has ever had before.
Nobody would like it.[/QUOTE]
That last bit does sound bad, I must admit. Isolation just for a moment I suppose.
Or Olympus Mons exploring in a group then.
[QUOTE=LVL FACTORY;41784630]What if they fuck and give birth
Nobody though about that eh?[/QUOTE]
Well I guess they'd need Earth to send more biomass for the colony's natural cycle, since a contained environment like Mars One would only have so much biomass to go around, and a lot of biomass would get locked up in the bodies of any Marsborn children that pop up in the First Years of the colony.
Speaking of which, I expect that Marsborn would be taller and thinner than the standard Earthborn human, due to the low gravity.
[QUOTE=ironman17;41791289]
Speaking of which, I expect that Marsborn would be taller and thinner than the standard Earthborn human, due to the low gravity.[/QUOTE]
And the divergent evolution begins...
[QUOTE=DeEz;41777156]in other news: 100,000 people are oblivious to the psychological impact of isolation[/QUOTE]
Any facepunch user would be the perfect candidate then.
Man some of you guys have no balls what so ever. In the past, when there was still corners of the earth left unexplored, many people knowing the risk of starvation, isolation, disease and being eaten alive by natives would still go on these journeys, die, and be considered heroes. Often I see Facepunchers complain that people these days are lazy fucks who care nothing for anything but themselves, but now that someone are actually willing to risk their lives for the greater good it's suddenly sad and idiotic. I don't get it to be honest.
[QUOTE=FPSMango;41795176]Man some of you guys have no balls what so ever. In the past, when there was still corners of the earth left unexplored, many people knowing the risk of starvation, isolation, disease and being eaten alive by natives would still go on these journeys, die, and be considered heroes. Often I see Facepunchers complain that people these days are lazy fucks who care nothing for anything but themselves, but now that someone are actually willing to risk their lives for the greater good it's suddenly sad and idiotic. I don't get it to be honest.[/QUOTE]
Don't spur your high horse now. Your average joe colonist in Europe's colonization of the America's isn't so glorious.
Jamestown hardly thrived as a colony through borderline slave labor and a corporation's ambition to turn a profit in new land.
France tried to send off prostitutes over to their colonies because of the fact that so few females would volunteer to go with their husbands/fellow males to New France.
Spain glorified their form of colonization that was almost similar to the Crusades.. Make landfall--it's instantly New Spain. You're on it? Well now you're our slaves.
Shit, even during the 19th century, the Americans claimed that all of N. America was theirs and they would end up wiping out the indigenous population and degrading them to second-class citizens in their society, they even threaten to go to war with Britain for land on the West Coast.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;41795215]Don't spur your high horse now. Your average joe colonist in Europe's colonization of the America's isn't so glorious.
Jamestown hardly thrived as a colony through borderline slave labor and a corporation's ambition to turn a profit in new land.
France tried to send off prostitutes over to their colonies because of the fact that so few females would volunteer to go with their husbands/fellow males to New France.
Spain glorified their form of colonization that was almost similar to the Crusades.. Make landfall--it's instantly New Spain. You're on it? Well now you're our slaves.
Shit, even during the 19th century, the Americans claimed that all of N. America was theirs and they would end up wiping out the indigenous population and degrading them to second-class citizens in their society, they even threaten to go to war with Britain for land on the West Coast.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between the initial explorers and the organized colonization/planned actions that followed by the government. People like Richard Francis Burton and Roald Amundsen who explored for fame and the joy of it had nothing to do with any of these things. Since we also practically know for a fact that there is no life on Mars and definitely no intelligent life to suppress and there is little chance a modern colonization would bring forced labor(unless you bring North Korea or something) I don't really get how this is relevant.
[QUOTE=FPSMango;41795448]There's a difference between the initial explorers and the organized colonization/planned actions that followed by the government. People like Richard Francis Burton and Roald Amundsen who explored for fame and the joy of it had nothing to do with any of these things. Since we also practically know for a fact that there is no life on Mars and definitely no intelligent life to suppress and there is little chance a modern colonization would bring forced labor(unless you bring North Korea or something) I don't really get how this is relevant.[/QUOTE]
Yeah let me just unhitch my space shuttle and go out to Mars and make a book or an awesome journal about it. I truly doubt that there's going to be Martian equivalents of the early fur traders in the Americas or some crazy explorer that solos everything with the exception of some sherpa as his shadow.
My point is, is that colonization and humanity's experience with it has not always been under the most noble of intentions as you ought to think it should be. People that are already settled and comfortable would find little to no incentive to leave the planet.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;41795504]Yeah let me just unhitch my space shuttle and go out to Mars and make a book or an awesome journal about it. I truly doubt that there's going to be Martian equivalents of the early fur traders in the Americas or some crazy explorer that solos everything with the exception of some sherpa as his shadow.
My point is, is that colonization and humanity's experience with it has not always been under the most noble of intentions as you ought to think it should be. People that are already settled and comfortable would find little to no incentive to leave the planet.[/QUOTE]
If a couple guys traveling to the Moon and staying there for a couple hours can inspire a whole nation for years and be a milestone for human ingenuity even to this day, a group of 5-10 people traveling to Mars to stay for the rest of their lives must surely be more admirable and worthy of books. Sure nothing much will happen while they are there, but so did it neither on Apollo 14, yet it is one of the most well-known events in human history.
Yea of course humans can screw it up and ruin the experience in some way, there is always a risk of that in any endeavor, but early colonization =/= space colonization; the people that would have control of such an operation wouldn't be colonials of the Spanish marine but scientists, and the funding would not come from a all-powerful monarch but a (semi)functioning state.
Edit: I change my statement when saying functioning state since a monarchy is also a functioning state. What I mean is a state that at least partially controlled by the people and where human-rights issues don't go unnoticed. Something even the worst offender of this age, China, maintain to some degree, and definitely will uphold on a space mission where the whole world would be watching.
When i read the thread title i assumed this was about how people wanted to go to mars to commit suicide
Do we even have the technology to travel to Mars?
[QUOTE=Tacooo;41776774]Nothing, the rocket is supposed to explode on impact with the moon and no one will ever get to use my money and gold[/QUOTE]
Your money and gold would all form into an cluster of solid objects that would rain fiery death upon the earth
[QUOTE=Jodern;41796199]Do we even have the technology to travel to Mars?[/QUOTE]
No, otherwise something would've been done already.
These plans aren't exactly going to happen right now, but it's not that fair away either.
[QUOTE=Jodern;41796199]Do we even have the technology to travel to Mars?[/QUOTE]
no, unless we were to try a radically new approach to spaceflight such as orbital construction of the vehicle through many launches, no we don't have the capability yet
[QUOTE=Jodern;41796199]Do we even have the technology to travel to Mars?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sableye;41796582]no, unless we were to try a radically new approach to spaceflight such as orbital construction of the vehicle through many launches, no we don't have the capability yet[/QUOTE]We do have the technology but not any rocket capable of lifting the payload to orbit (yet)
Both Space Launch System (due for first launch in 2017) and Falcon Heavy will have significant increases in payload being able to be put in low earth orbit (SLS has a rated max of about 120 metric tonnes and Falcon Heavy has about 50 metric tonnes)
This is a size comparison (just look at the size of SLS):
[t]http://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/sls-2.jpg[/t]
What's missing for manned missions to Mars is funding so that the mission specific details can be worked out (which crew vehicle and so on) and created (or bought)
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;41779675]would suck if one of the dudes got both the girls[/QUOTE]
What if it's four men.
[QUOTE=dije;41796657]We do have the technology but not any rocket capable of lifting the payload to orbit (yet)
Both Space Launch System (due for first launch in 2017) and Falcon Heavy will have significant increases in payload being able to be put in low earth orbit (SLS has a rated max of about 120 metric tonnes and Falcon Heavy has about 50 metric tonnes)
This is a size comparison (just look at the size of SLS):
[t]http://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/sls-2.jpg[/t]
What's missing for manned missions to Mars is funding so that the mission specific details can be worked out (which crew vehicle and so on) and created (or bought)[/QUOTE]
asside from the life-support systems of the space station, we have never been able to pack months and months of air and water on one ship. the soyuz TMA has a life support capability of four weeks, an extended service module maybe could make it two months. now i'm using the soyuz TMA because values for the orion don't exist right now, and it is being designed as a deep-space system, but i'm very skeptical of putting 4 people in a box the size of a midsize american car and leaving them togather for 6+ months, not only that but the lack of excercise space in the spacecraft will mean they will be jelly by the time they get to mars and would be even worse off by the time they came back
[editline]11th August 2013[/editline]
funding and political insulation are what are missing for a manned mission, all it takes to derail the space program is a bunch of pissed off senators or house reps to end it all
Do people still think mars-one isn't a scam?
[QUOTE=Jodern;41796199]Do we even have the technology to travel to Mars?[/QUOTE]
Lets take a look at the mars one home page shall we?
"Our plan is realistic because the technology needed already exists and can be purchased from the private space industry."
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;41797624]What if it's four men.[/QUOTE]
It's not gay if it's in space.
[QUOTE=FPSMango;41795448]There's a difference between the initial explorers and the organized colonization/planned actions that followed by the government. People like Richard Francis Burton and Roald Amundsen who explored for fame and the joy of it had nothing to do with any of these things. Since we also practically know for a fact that there is no life on Mars and definitely no intelligent life to suppress and there is little chance a modern colonization would bring forced labor(unless you bring North Korea or something) I don't really get how this is relevant.[/QUOTE]
Many explorers of old were motivated by ridiculous amounts of wealth that they would get rewarded for finding fresh gold mines/lumber/various raw materials for their kingdom.
[editline]11th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=dije;41796657]We do have the technology but not any rocket capable of lifting the payload to orbit (yet)
Both Space Launch System (due for first launch in 2017) and Falcon Heavy will have significant increases in payload being able to be put in low earth orbit (SLS has a rated max of about 120 metric tonnes and Falcon Heavy has about 50 metric tonnes)
This is a size comparison (just look at the size of SLS):
[t]http://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/sls-2.jpg[/t]
What's missing for manned missions to Mars is funding so that the mission specific details can be worked out (which crew vehicle and so on) and created (or bought)[/QUOTE]
Can't wait till SpaceX talks more about the MCT though. Will likely be bigger than the SLS.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Colonial_Transporter[/url]
I thought Falcon Heavy was mars capable already.
Would be awesome to see an even bigger craft with a massive cargo space and huge cockpit.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;41777300]This saddened me for some reason.[/QUOTE]
I feel like it's not entirely true, either. It's suggesting (if taking into consideration that everyone going is in their 20's and 30's) that collectively, humanity won't figure out a return method within the next 40 or so years. Kind of off a bit, isn't it?
Remember that the very first European explorers went to islands like the Azores or Madeira which were uninhabited. Granted, the explorers were driven by a need to discover places suitable for sugar growing or trade.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;41788416]Don't forget to bring me a Cacodemon, mars colonizers.[/QUOTE]
Send one home to me, too!
[editline]11th August 2013[/editline]
Are they going to maintain curiosity and the other rovers while they're up there?
[QUOTE=ash47;41782880]I remember those 4 astronauts, they were on Doctor Who, they died because there were water aliens on mars that killed them :([/QUOTE]
No, three of them died by the water aliens, and then the last survivor killed herself on Earth.
[QUOTE=Satane;41801401]that has nothing to do with it. they're applying for a one way trip which means nobody is paying for them to go back. rockets that can go both ways would be substantially larger and more expensive, money is what it's all about here.[/QUOTE]
They're applying for a one way trip because there can be no guarantees that it's both ways
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