White woman fights anti Chinese racism by vandalizing a Chinese restaurant owned by a Chinese man - Polidicks

[QUOTE=tarkata14;47936972]I'm sorry but how is Chinaman in any way racist? I mean I understand it has historical negative connotation.[/QUOTE] you answered your own question there buddy

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;47931648]Jesus Christ, is that dyed hair I see? Is it official? Is dyed hair the womens fedora/neckbeard?[/QUOTE] Nah it's just Aposematism.

[QUOTE=Nikota;47934815]Half Japanese my ass. I'm some fucker whose less Japanese than that and it shows up more than on her. She may be a quarter Japanese or something, but not half. Directly mixed half and half Eurasians are way more obvious. Here's another angle. [t]http://www.trbimg.com/img-5503510c/turbine/ct-chop-chop-chinaman-property-damage-lee-harr-002/650/650x366[/t] She's as Japanese as Fred Amisen.[/QUOTE] I dunno man, mixed-race people's appearances vary a lot I'm half-thai, half-white and I look like I could be from south america, but I know other half-thai people who look fully asian and some who almost look completely white

[QUOTE=Eonart;47937977]Negative connotation that I have never seen Chinese people care about because unlike nigger there isn't a giant history of slavery and oppression behind it. It's the same as calling a white person a dumb cracker. [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] It's no different from insults like poopyhead and stupid idiot, being towards someone's race doesn't make it any more impactful.[/QUOTE] it has about 100 or so years of derogatory use in it. [IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/douvid.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;47937309]Honestly, the fact that the words themselves have become bad instead of context pisses me off. Ideas are offensive, not words. (With exceptions for [I]heavily[/I] engrained words like the N-word.) The context for "Chinaman" in this name is nowhere near offensive.[/QUOTE] I feel like people forget that what makes someone racist is his behavior, not their choice of words. Even in the case of the word "nigger", it's not even the word itself that's the issue. If solely saying the word made people racist black people wouldn't use it as liberally.

[QUOTE=_Axel;47938010]I feel like people forget that what makes someone racist is his behavior, not their choice of words. Even in the case of the word "nigger", it's not even the word itself that's the issue. If solely saying the word made people racist black people wouldn't use it as liberally.[/QUOTE] Here's a good quote. "what does the intent of our action really matter if our actions have the impact of furthering the marginalization or oppression of those around us?" [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] but you are right. but choice of words can denote racist behaviour. obviously not the case in this story though

[QUOTE=Eonart;47938035]-snip- Let me rephrase. Just because there is known derogatory use doesn't mean it's extremely impactful. This picture is just a dumb insult between two major countries, unlike nigger which was the name slave owners called their slaves that were actually whipped and detained like animals.[/QUOTE] no, "chinaman" was used towards the second class citizen chinese immigrants who came to the western countries. it was used with a dehumanizing impact. they also died ALOT as they were used as low waged people in unsafe mining conditions because they weren't considered as big a loss as white men dying "chinaman" is a relic of a time where the chinese were murdered, lynched and used as indentured labour by whites. a time when some of the only jobs they could get were literally running with dynamite into unfinished mines. it's a stupid name that calls back centuries of racism. [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] it is very different from "poopyhead"

[QUOTE=Crimor;47933749]It's more an american thing from what I've seen.[/QUOTE] American suburban upper-middle class thing

What is it with Americans and being obsessed with race?

These people are starting to remind me of those politicians that always talk about traditional family values and are against gay marriage, but then get caught blowing some dude in a bathroom. The louder you yell while saying nothing, the more likely you are to be that thing. Because unless its effecting you, the general population isn't really going to have the thing on the forefront of their minds.

[QUOTE=Eonart;47938164]If a Chinese man used it for the name of his restaurant, then clearly to the Chinese it wasn't major enough to teach to their children and their children's children, which makes sense because they were immigrants and not forced out of their own home country. [/QUOTE] one chinese man isn't the chinese people... you understand that right. i'm not in favour of what the girl did. I think she should have just contacted the owner first and discussed it instead of resorting to vandalism. and yeah apparently the history of chinese in america is very much under taught today and that is pretty shithouse. i dont know what you mean by that immigrants thing. [QUOTE=Eonart;47938164] [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] Because obviously hundreds of years from now historians are gonna dig up old data and see "white man" being used as a major derogatory term from 3rd wave feminists and tumblr activists and think we were oppressed and a precious race.[/QUOTE] haha what the fuck are you talking about. chinese people were complete second class citizens. they were raped, lynched and murdered, and put into indentured labour, all with 'chinaman' as the name to call them. their situation was a bit different than a tumblr quote being mean to white people. [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Eonart;47938218]internalized guilt from reading a history page on wikipedia about how white people fukkin rekt everyone[/QUOTE] haha wow, what an alpha

[QUOTE=Eonart;47938164]If a Chinese man used it for the name of his restaurant, then clearly to the Chinese it wasn't major enough to teach to their children and their children's children, which makes sense because they were immigrants and not forced out of their own home country. [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] Because obviously hundreds of years from now historians are gonna dig up old data and see "white man" being used as a major derogatory term from 3rd wave feminists and tumblr activists and think we were oppressed and a precious race.[/QUOTE] I don't think you really know enough about the history of the United States, so I'd be a bit more open. Not to defend this crazy half-white lady, but the word Chinaman means little to people over here in the Sunset district who are newer immigrants from the Mainland who speak Mandarin. However, when you go over to San Francisco's Chinatown which is an incredibly historically-important place in Californian history, Chinaman brings up horrible memories of violent discrimination and will get you into trouble with the bilingual population there: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown,_San_Francisco#History[/url] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman%27s_chance[/url] Can't speak for Chicago all the way in Illinois, but Chinaman is racist as hell over here for the second and third generation Asian-Americans because even people who weren't of Chinese descent got called Chinaman for a very long time; to Japanese-Americans it's a super-offensive term too. [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jame's;47938199]What is it with Americans and being obsessed with race?[/QUOTE] Maybe crack open a history-book or read up on American issues? The deadliest war in American history was started over the rights to subjugate a race of humans...

[QUOTE=Eonart;47938252]I guess not living in the United States and growing up around Chinese people who have never given a rats ass about offensive things affected my world view in such a way that I didn't think Chinaman was a derogatory term but now I've been given a proper history lesson of its use in America from thisispain, I know more. Sorry :v: [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] That won't stop me from using it around friends that I am aware are okay with it but I won't use it when I'm in America.[/QUOTE] apology accepted. go on my son

[QUOTE=Eonart;47938252]I guess not living in the United States and growing up around Chinese people who have never given a rats ass about offensive things affected my world view in such a way that I didn't think Chinaman was a derogatory term but now I've been given a proper history lesson of its use in America from thisispain, I know more. Sorry :v:[/QUOTE] I'd be more sympathetic to your apology if you didn't just outwardly dismiss someone else's posts with random nonsequiturs about Tumblr. Just a pro-tip, I used to live in an immigrant's enclave because I'm the child of two Asian immigrants and I also hung around Chinese people because a lot of them had immigrated in the late 1980's. Someone can outwardly pretend to not care about offensive things and still be really hurt by them on the inside, that's a survival tactic that immigrants and children of immigrants tend to adopt. If you asked my mom whether "black bitch" (because she has darker skin) hurt her then she'd say no, but there's a reason why she's now afraid to leave the house even though we're in a different continent. So I don't know, maybe think a bit more before you post? Though again, I don't wanna defend this crazee half-white lady.

[QUOTE=Scum;47938017]Here's a good quote. "what does the intent of our action really matter if our actions have the impact of furthering the marginalization or oppression of those around us?" [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] but you are right. but choice of words can denote racist behaviour. obviously not the case in this story though[/QUOTE] It's not words themselves that further the oppression though, it's the behavior behind them. Using racial slurs is just a symptom of racism. If you use them without holding racist ideologies you don't marginalize anyone.

if the words used carry racist undertones, due to historical or modern day controversial usage, then they can serve to normalize potentially racist behaviour, even if unintentionally. tho thisispain should really explain this cos i'm pretty lousy at articulation, tbh

[QUOTE=Scum;47938436]if the words used carry racist undertones, due to historical or modern day controversial usage, then they can serve to normalize potentially racist behaviour, even if unintentionally. tho thisispain should really explain this cos i'm pretty lousy at articulation, tbh[/QUOTE] I don't know, would you say black people normalize racist behavior by calling their friends "niggas"? IMO depending on the situation if you use a racial word in a non-racist light it ends up losing its original connotations, that's pretty much what happens when oppressed groups reclaim offensive terms as their own.

that's true. i guess it probably goes back to the identity of the one saying it and the identity of the people they say it around and then the cultural environment surrounding them. there are always heaps of factors to consider and it makes me dizzy

[QUOTE=Scum;47938498]that's true. i guess it probably goes back to the identity of the one saying it and the identity of the people they say it around and then the cultural environment surrounding them. there are always heaps of factors to consider and it makes me dizzy[/QUOTE] Personally I think the perpetual outrage every time someone uses a term deemed offensive only serves to reinforce their taboo nature. If people paid more attention to the intents and behavior of the person who's talking than to the terms they used it wouldn't be as much of a problem. There's a trend these days of people like this woman going ballistic as soon as they see a term they don't like without actually paying attention to the situation.

so, she stops "racism" by starting a new one. weird...

[QUOTE=Tudd;47931558]Having been to China twice and having some friends from there, they would have just laughed at the name. Chinese people can take casual racism more then I ever seen. Hell in my Mandarin class, we had one kid who would say things like "ching chong ping pong" when he didn't know something and the teacher thought it was hilarious.[/QUOTE] On one hand this a pretty big generalization. On the other hand at work I met a Filipino patient. We got to talking in the waiting room and it came up that my parents are from the Philippines. She said "Oh, I thought you were Cambodian, since you have chinky eyes." We both had a laugh. The white guy next to us did a double take though. Also I was going to jump in on the whole chinaman discussion but it seems you guys settled it well.

[QUOTE=_Axel;47938538]Personally I think the perpetual outrage every time someone uses a term deemed offensive only serves to reinforce their taboo nature. If people paid more attention to the intents and behavior of the person who's talking than to the terms they used it wouldn't be as much of a problem. There's a trend these days of people like this woman going ballistic as soon as they see a term they don't like without actually paying attention to the situation.[/QUOTE] I feel this way about words like "cunt". A lot of people flip their lid when they hear this as if it's one of the more mega-curse words in the US, while people in Australia seem to be unable to care less.

'straya cunt