Thousands marching through London to protest against the decision to leave EU
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[QUOTE=Broseph_;50634592]And guess what? The UK voted to leave the EU.
You can't vote to remain in a Union then complain about that Union when it doesn't go your way.
If it's so bad, have a new referendum on Independence since apparently the Union isn't working out for you guys, and there's nothing to lose now since Scotland is getting kicked out of the E.U. independent or not.[/QUOTE]
Except an independent Scotland would be able to reapply for the EU, seeing as it won't be vetoed by countries like Spain and France, unless said independence is unilateral or Scotland isn't independent.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;50634582]you should look up what poe's law is[/QUOTE]
uh how could he make that reply without knowing what poes law is lol
it was clearly a joke
[QUOTE=DVH;50634629]Except an independent Scotland would be able to reapply for the EU, seeing as it won't be vetoed by countries like Spain and France, unless said independence is unilateral or Scotland isn't independent.[/QUOTE]
Don't worry about him, he doesn't really get politics and openly admitted he just wants to see the UK fall apart since he has duel nationality. It does say something when the only people really defending it are people who are totally unaffected by it, like Boilrig who lives on the other side of the planet.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;50634468]A march against democracy. But if a higher percentage of young people had bothered to vote, maybe they would have won the vote.[/QUOTE]
But a referendum is just used to judge public interest. It's close enough to say that public opinion is pretty evenly split. Now with the after effects and several claims that the Leave campaign being outed as BS I imagine that remain has the upper hand on public opinion now.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50634592]And guess what? The UK voted to leave the EU.
You can't vote to remain in a Union then complain about that Union when it doesn't go your way.
If it's so bad, have a new referendum on Independence since apparently the Union isn't working out for you guys, and there's nothing to lose now since Scotland is getting kicked out of the E.U. independent or not.[/QUOTE]
One of the deals the things the UK promised Scotland if they remained was that they WOULD stay in the EU. This promise has been broken, no two ways about it Scotland has every right to feel betrayed.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50634592]And guess what? The UK voted to leave the EU.
You can't vote to remain in a Union then complain about that Union when it doesn't go your way.
If it's so bad, have a new referendum on Independence since apparently the Union isn't working out for you guys, and there's nothing to lose now since Scotland is getting kicked out of the E.U. independent or not.[/QUOTE]
Except a massive part of the argument for us staying is because we were promise that we would stay in the EU and that Britain enjoying economic and political stability is an attractive thing.
With leaving the EU and Britain now in economic decline and increasing political instability, why should we be forced to shackle ourselves to a failing country?
[QUOTE=gokiyono;50633915]barely a majority that wanted out[/QUOTE]
I hear Venezuela and North Korea are nice this time of year, if democracy isn't your thing?
[QUOTE=Meester;50634977]I hear Venezuela and North Korea are nice this time of year, if democracy isn't your thing?[/QUOTE]
You must prefer their economic aspects if you support leaving the EU.
[QUOTE=_Axel;50634986]You must prefer their economic aspects if you support leaving the EU.[/QUOTE]
Well I would say Venezuela is doing worse than Greece but they aren't far off.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;50634468]A march against democracy. But if a higher percentage of young people had bothered to vote, maybe they would have won the vote.[/QUOTE]
Organised demonstrations are a part of democracy, why is it that both sides of this debate like to smear everything as undemocratic.
[QUOTE=Meester;50634998]Well I would say Venezuela is doing worse than Greece but they aren't far off.[/QUOTE]
So the UK is Greece now?
I don't get it.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50634592]And guess what? The UK voted to leave the EU.
You can't vote to remain in a Union then complain about that Union when it doesn't go your way.
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News flash guys, nobody has a right to complain ever.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;50635009]News flash guys, nobody has a right to complain ever.[/QUOTE]
Nobody except broseph does
he can bitch about you bitching about it, or about anything else, but god forbid you have an opinion
[QUOTE=Meester;50634977]I hear Venezuela and North Korea are nice this time of year, if democracy isn't your thing?[/QUOTE]
[I]Direct democracy[/I] isn't my thing. It's not my thing because it has the potential to, as seen in this whole shitshow, to leave out [B]half the population[/B]
[QUOTE=Meester;50634977]I hear Venezuela and North Korea are nice this time of year, if democracy isn't your thing?[/QUOTE]
There is such a thing as democracy done badly, it isn't this totally unquestionable god some people seem to treat it as.
If 51% of people voted to shoot black people on sight would you still be arguing it's totally fine because it's democratic?
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50634562]Because a majority of Scotland voted to remain in the UK two years ago.
Now they're feeling the consequences.[/QUOTE]
This has been said many times. Get on with the fucking times and research a little. Scotland's referendum ended up being in UK's favor because scotland was promised that the UK would stay in the EU for the foreseeable future. But UK apparently forgot that.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;50634872]One of the deals the things the UK promised Scotland if they remained was that they WOULD stay in the EU. This promise has been broken, no two ways about it Scotland has every right to feel betrayed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50634957]Except a massive part of the argument for us staying is because we were promise that we would stay in the EU and that Britain enjoying economic and political stability is an attractive thing.[/QUOTE]
You should've factored that in considering they were talking about Brexit all the way back in 2013.
Then vote to leave the United Kingdom, since clearly the Union isn't working out for you guys, and simply look at the statistics, even if 100% of Scotland voted to stay Leave would've still won since the amount of people who voted for Brexit in Scotland were still less than what the margin of victory was.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50634957]With leaving the EU and Britain now in economic decline and increasing political instability, why should we be forced to shackle ourselves to a failing country?[/QUOTE]
Then why don't you have another referendum and vote to leave rather than try to overturn the one the UK had? I mean the Scottish referendum only needed a simple majority to win, yet most of the Scottish Nationalists are throwing a shitfit over the EU referendum passing by a simple majority.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50635215]You should've factored that in considering they were talking about Brexit all the way back in 2013.
Then vote to leave the United Kingdom, since clearly the Union isn't working out for you guys, and simply look at the statistics, even if 100% of Scotland voted to stay Leave would've still won since the amount of people who voted for Brexit in Scotland were still less than what the margin of victory was.
Then why don't you have another referendum and vote to leave rather than try to overturn the one the UK had? I mean the Scottish referendum only needed a simple majority to win, yet most of the Scottish Nationalists are throwing a shitfit over the EU referendum passing by a simple majority.[/QUOTE]
Scotland leaving the UK hurts the UK. The UK leaving the EU hurts Scotland and flies directly in the face of a promise they were made.
I would love to see you suffer through that injustice while still telling everyone no one can really complain because "democracy" as if that was an adequate excuse.
[editline]2nd July 2016[/editline]
And they're likely to do just that, which is a negative for the UK as a whole but probably good for Scotland if it's even possible.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;50634468][B]A march against democracy[/B]. But if a higher percentage of young people had bothered to vote, maybe they would have won the vote.[/QUOTE]
"March against democracy" sounds like an incredibly retarded oxymoron.
as it leaves half the population out
only 51% said yes so we shouldnt brexit
Guys are you fucking kidding me? That's the point of democracy. Whoever gets the most votes imposes their will.
You can't pussy out an election based on those premises.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50635235]as it leaves half the population out
only 51% said yes so we shouldnt brexit
Guys are you fucking kidding me? That's the point of democracy. Whoever gets the most votes imposes their will.
You can't pussy out an election based on those premises.[/QUOTE]
direct democracy sucks precisely because it creates situations like this. have we not been through this already?
[QUOTE=Meester;50634977]I hear Venezuela and North Korea are nice this time of year, if democracy isn't your thing?[/QUOTE]
You're aware that the reason why Venezuela is how it is, is due to a majority of Venezuelans voting to elect Chavez in 1999, and then Maduro in 2013? A massively ignorant and manipulated majority became a blind instrument of their own destruction, does that ring a bell to you?
Like, Venezuela is seriously the worst possible example you could have used to defend this referendum because it shows exactly how democracy can be very wrong at times. Ever heard of the phrase "tyranny of the majority"?
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50635235]as it leaves half the population out
only 51% said yes so we shouldnt brexit
Guys are you fucking kidding me? That's the point of democracy. Whoever gets the most votes imposes their will.
You can't pussy out an election based on those premises.[/QUOTE]
Again, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority]tyranny of the majority[/url]. There's a reason parliamentary systems exist.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50635235]as it leaves half the population out
only 51% said yes so we shouldnt brexit
Guys are you fucking kidding me? That's the point of democracy. Whoever gets the most votes imposes their will.
You can't pussy out an election based on those premises.[/QUOTE]
In representative democracy decisions are made by parties, parties which will compromise with other parties in a way that everyone to some degree gets representation. This referendum has left 48% of the population with essentially no representation on a major issue, it's a fucking travesty.
I do wish people would drop this mad idea that the majority get to act like dictators, it's very dangerous idea not much better than authoritarian dictatorship.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50635235]as it leaves half the population out
only 51% said yes so we shouldnt brexit
Guys are you fucking kidding me? That's the point of democracy. Whoever gets the most votes imposes their will.
You can't pussy out an election based on those premises.[/QUOTE]
It has been clearly explained, a thousand and one times now how this is a poor representation of democracy
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50635235]as it leaves half the population out
only 51% said yes so we shouldnt brexit
Guys are you fucking kidding me? That's the point of democracy. Whoever gets the most votes imposes their will.
You can't pussy out an election based on those premises.[/QUOTE]
Good thing it wasn't an election, then
It was [I]referendum[/I]. As far as I understand, there is nothing legally binding about it. Someone correct me if I"m wrong, but I'm fair certain it's closer to an opinion poll than actual policy making
It's amazing how many times this has been explained but you still see like six people saying the exact same shit about the results in [I]every goddamn thread about it[/I]
And also the exact same stale defenses of direct democracy and the exact same counterpoints to why direct democracy is a fucking [I]awful[/I] way to decide something as momentous as leaving the EU
But of course those counterpoints are just gonna be ignored again because 'democracy, will of the people, you're just mad because your result didn't win!'
I'm all in that if the "Remain" would've won by 51% as well, leavers who say "muh sovereignity" would be lamenting right now.
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[QUOTE=MarcusSmith;50635366]I'm all in that if the "Remain" would've won by 51% as well, leavers who say "muh sovereignity" would be lamenting right now.[/QUOTE]
I think the best solution either way would be to appease both sides. Push hard for EU reform on issues that the leave side bring up while maintaining what the remain side wish for.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50635375]I think the best solution either way would be to appease both sides. Push hard for EU reform on issues that the leave side bring up while maintaining what the remain side wish for.[/QUOTE]
Of course. I was mostly referencing those leavers who say "You are just butthurt that your result didn't won".
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50635221]I would love to see you suffer through that injustice while still telling everyone no one can really complain because "democracy" as if that was an adequate excuse.[/QUOTE]
Yet my homeland is still being destroyed by the United States Federal Government whilst being denied statehood and our right to representation and vote in Federal elections eventhough we voted 61% to 33% to become a state in 2012
[QUOTE=MarcusSmith;50635386]Of course. I was mostly referencing those leavers who say "You are just butthurt that your result didn't won".[/QUOTE]
Farage himself was calling for a second referendum when he thought he lost.
The two faced ness of anyone who supports that cocksucker is just too much for me.
[editline]2nd July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Broseph_;50635390]Yet my homeland is still being destroyed by the United States Federal Government whilst being denied statehood and our right to representation and vote in Federal elections eventhough we voted 61% to 33% to become a state in 2012[/QUOTE]
so you're the hypocrite I thought you are because you do complain about those things.
who are you to say others can't voice their opinion when they feel thrown under the bus?
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