Russia seeks talks following Prince Charles's remarks
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there's no point getting mad he's just gonna ask if you watched Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876622]Because the mainstream point of view is always correct?[/QUOTE]
I just decided to go and take a look at your post history
This is what i dug up
[quote]Doesn't the existence of Israel undermine the validity of multiculturalism? In the aftermath of the Holocaust they chose to embrace nationalism. If multiculturalism was so great don't you think the Jewish people would have chosen it instead of creating their own state? That suggest to me that ideal way of guaranteeing safety and protection for the people of this world is to give them their own borders, their own legal systems, and their own Armed Forces for self defense.
That's not to say different cultures should be totally isolated from each other, but cooperation and goodwill shouldn't extend to a point where a nation cannot be considered as having it's own national identity defined along cultural, and (sometimes) religious lines.
I also find it a bit hypocritical how people like David Cameron talk about how Kippers have said "appalling things" and then turn around and send congratulations on the election Narendra Modi, a man who may have deliberately allowed (some say even encouraged) pogroms against Muslims in his home state. If there was even the suggestion that someone like Farage had encouraged pogroms against Romanians Cameron would probably have Theresa May ban his party.[/quote]
[quote]U.S. will be none too happy about these developments.
But just wait until Israel finally takes sides with Russia. That would throw the American neocons into a huge crisis of identity.[/quote]
there is one more i can get, but this shows me you understand nothing about this [B]entirely.[/B]
watching TV isnt giving facts, if you want facts you have to go search for them.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876574]How you feel if America lost the Cold War and western Europe joined the Warsaw pact and states like Maine or Texas became independent nations? Wouldn't you be pissed if they spent the next few decades trying to become Russian satellite States? Wouldn't you think a little American chauvinism would be justified?[/QUOTE]
Ukraine was not a part of Russia since the Russian Empire fell apart. The USSR is not Russia
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You are also ignorant as fuck
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876622]Because the mainstream point of view is always correct?[/QUOTE]
obviously have never written any research papers. never cite your entire argument on one guys argument when literally everything else contradicts that one argument
Hitler, or more precisely Nazi Germany, used the exact same tactics of rescuing minority Germans to take over the reinland, Sudetenland, Austria and eventually poland . there's no dissimilaritybetween Putin and Russia's new tactic of protecting minority Russians who live in countries that aren't Russia.
oh god he's saying Vietnam was better off without us. have you heard of the cimear rouge? they took over Laos after we left and systematically eliminated like half the population of laos
[QUOTE=Turing;44876672]BECAUSE THE FUCKING PEOPLE OF MAINE OR TEXAS AREN'T FORCEFULLY HELD IN THE UNITED STATES
THEY AREN'T PART OF THE USA BECAUSE THEY ARE OPPRESSED AND ALL INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT IS PUNISHED WITH A CONCENTRATION CAMP
HOW HARD IS IT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE SOVIET UNION WERE NOTHING ALIKE[/QUOTE]
There is talk of succession in many states today, particularly Texas.
And the last time States did try to leave they were punished, not with Concentration Camps, but with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman's_March_to_the_Sea#See_also"]Sherman's March to the Sea[/URL].
[QUOTE=Sableye;44876743]oh god he's saying Vietnam was better off without us. have you heard of the cimear rouge? they took over Laos after we left and systematically eliminated like half the population of laos[/QUOTE]
Are you defending the Vietnam War?
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876754]There is talk of succession in many states today, particularly Texas.
And the last time States did try to leave they were punished, not with Concentration Camps, but with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman%27s_March_to_the_Sea#See_also"]Sherman's March to the Sea[/URL].[/QUOTE]
hahahahahaha
you think because there is talk itll happen
thats great.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44876743]oh god he's saying Vietnam was better off without us. have you heard of the cimear rouge? they took over Laos after we left and systematically eliminated like half the population of laos[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that was after you left the country war-torn. Also, I would say that Vietnam didn't really need Agent Orange
[QUOTE=SexualShark;44876759]hahahahahaha
you think because there is talk itll happen
thats great.[/QUOTE]
Probably not, but if it did there would be consequences.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876574]
How you feel if America lost the Cold War[/QUOTE]
Nobody lost in the Cold war, everyone won.
Russia lost nothing except its stubbornness. It was so obvious communism failed and yet it marched on...marched over millions of dead bodies.
But now they're back on the avangarde, seeing some higher purpose where there isnt any.Acting like the protector of family values, of traditions, isn't that obviously hypocritical?
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[QUOTE=Sableye;44876743]oh god he's saying Vietnam was better off without us. have you heard of the cimear rouge? they took over Laos after we left and systematically eliminated like half the population of laos[/QUOTE]
He knows jack shit about it. usa had a mutual defence agreement with what was then French Indochina.Read the history on it.
The communists+other non-commie nationalists rallied in the north, led by ho chi minh.
For all that matters, the usa acted too late on their agreements to defend vietman, as they did when the communists took over china but that's another story...
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876504]Russia is simply trying to protect what is rightfully theirs. These "post-soviet" states only came into existence because of a malignant campaign of sabotage, terrorism and overthrowing legitimate governments.[/QUOTE]
90% of history can be called unfair depending on your point of view. Should Britain try and re-take America because it's "Rightfully theres"? One of my ancestors got swindled out of owning an island off the coast of New Zealand about 200 years ago by the Government, that doesn't mean I can just cruise over on a boat and start shooting cunts because it's "rightfully mine". Hell, if you go back far enough, going by your logic Ukraine should be invading Russia due to the modern nation of Russia as we know being a direct descendant of the Kievan Rus.
The eastern states of Ukraine that Russia is sticking their dick into are sovereign territory of an internationally recognised nation. It is [i]Ukrainian[/i]. Russia has no right to be sticking their dick in it.
All this being said though, 10/10 job on the land grab by Putin. Virtually bloodless and got the juiciest part of the country + don't have to pay $100m a year to lease the port anymore.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876574]Give me a call when you've watched Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States.[/quote]
just for the record, in the past i did watch it.
i would like to report it was [I]pure shit[/I]
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876754]There is talk of succession in many states today, particularly Texas[/QUOTE]
The news overblows the issue. It was barely 130'000 people out of a population that's literally Australia + an extra three million. 0.5% of the state wanted to secede. Whoopie.
[QUOTE=Asmaedus;44876817]
All this being said though, 10/10 job on the land grab by Putin. Virtually [I]bloodless[/I] and got the juiciest part of the country + don't have to pay $100m a year to lease the port anymore.[/QUOTE]
Wow propaganda really seems to be fucking with your mind, people.
Over 100 people died, a lot more are missing and plenty more are injured.
This is a hot stove ready to explode.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44876763]Yeah, that was after you left the country war-torn. Also, I would say that Vietnam didn't really need Agent Orange[/QUOTE]
FYI agent orange wasn't used near!y as much as people think. it was dangerous enough to use because it was difficult to handle, but to disperse it we had to use low flying very vulnerable planes to do it. the daisy cutter was much more effective at clearing areas, agent orange was just a hairbrained strategy thought up by an idiot analyst back in the states
[QUOTE=godfatherk;44876828]Wow propaganda really seems to be fucking with your mind, people.
Over 100 people died, a lot more are missing and plenty more are injured.
This is a hot stove ready to explode.[/QUOTE]
I said [i]virtually[/i]. 100 people dying compared to [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War]124k+[/URL] is pretty good all things considered.
[QUOTE=Sableye;44876840]FYI agent orange wasn't used near!y as much as people think. it was dangerous enough to use because it was difficult to handle, but to disperse it we had to use low flying very vulnerable planes to do it. the daisy cutter was much more effective at clearing areas, agent orange was just a hairbrained strategy thought up by an idiot analyst back in the states[/QUOTE]
They're still suffering from birth defects because of that stuff
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[QUOTE=Asmaedus;44876845]I said [i]virtually[/i]. 100 people dying compared to [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War]124k+[/URL] is pretty good all things considered.[/QUOTE]
It's not over yet
[QUOTE=godfatherk;44876828]Wow propaganda really seems to be fucking with your mind, people.
Over 100 people died, a lot more are missing and plenty more are injured.
This is a hot stove ready to explode.[/QUOTE]
Yes, because every intervention launched by the United States results in absolutely zero casualties, meaning their condemnation of Putin's "land-grab" is not hypocritical in any way whatsoever.
Charles is great
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876881]Yes, because every intervention launched by the United States results in absolutely zero casualties, meaning their condemnation of Putin's "land-grab" is not hypocritical in any way whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Hypocrisy doesn't lessen what they're doing in any way.
If I told someone a meal they made for me was shit, and they said "Well you couldn't do any better" - they're right, but their meal is still shit. What Russia is doing is still wrong.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876504]Russia is simply trying to protect what is rightfully theirs.[/QUOTE]
post lost in the first sentence, lmfao it's been a while
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876881]Yes, because every intervention launched by the United States results in absolutely zero casualties, meaning their condemnation of Putin's "land-grab" is not hypocritical in any way whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Russia is in no way, shape or form hypocritical. Nope.
[QUOTE=Asmaedus;44876845]I said [i]virtually[/i]. 100 people dying compared to [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War]124k+[/URL] is pretty good all things considered.[/QUOTE]
no, it's not good.
this suffering could have been prevented, it's all happeend because of some twisted machiavelic fucks gathered at a round board table, moving pawns so that it fits their plans. If thousands of people have to die for their plots to succeed, they have no issue with that.war criminals that will then pretend to have been merely following orders...
here's an excerpt
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfPwR00HXM0[/media]
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876754]There is talk of succession in many states today, particularly Texas.
And the last time States did try to leave they were punished, not with Concentration Camps, but with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman's_March_to_the_Sea#See_also"]Sherman's March to the Sea[/URL].
Are you defending the Vietnam War?[/QUOTE]
are you serious
are you really claiming that people in Texas really want to secede
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[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876881]Yes, because every intervention launched by the United States results in absolutely zero casualties, meaning their condemnation of Putin's "land-grab" is not hypocritical in any way whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
because usa didnt invade iraq to make it into the 51st state
[QUOTE=Turing;44876983]are you serious
are you really claiming that people in Texas really want to secede[/QUOTE]
They talk about it often enough, they probably wouldn't go through with it. But the government would come down hard if they actually tried it.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876504]Russia is simply trying to protect what is rightfully theirs. These "post-soviet" states only came into existence because of a malignant campaign of sabotage, terrorism and overthrowing legitimate governments.
[/QUOTE]
Could you be any more of a cunt?
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44877013]They talk about it often enough, they probably wouldn't go through with it. But the government would come down hard if they actually tried it.[/QUOTE]
You've left a lot of points addressed to you alone.
Maybe you should have a coherent argument before starting what you can't finish.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876754]There is talk of succession in many states today, particularly Texas.
And the last time States did try to leave they were punished, not with Concentration Camps, but with [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman's_March_to_the_Sea#See_also"]Sherman's March to the Sea[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Okay.
First off. The only people who want to secede are a handful of rednecks who wear "The south will rise again!" t-shirts and plaster their '87 Ford pickups with Confederate flags. They are a very small percentage of the population, and nobody takes them seriously. At all.
Second. You're really comparing the US in the 1860s to modern Russia? Name one example of oppression that has taken place in [I]20th or 21st[/I] century America.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876504]Russia is simply trying to protect what is rightfully theirs. These "post-soviet" states only came into existence because of a malignant campaign of sabotage, terrorism and overthrowing legitimate governments.
Just watch Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States, after the Vietnam war there was no way the west could be rationally called "the good guys". We have to ask if preserving the results of such an ill-gotten victory is really worth it.[/QUOTE]We people who live in countries bordering Russia are not "rightfully theirs", and you can shove that rancid view back up whatever hole you pulled it out of. What the US does has no bearing on our independence; we are not toys to be shared between 2 childish superpowers.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876504]Russia is simply trying to protect what is rightfully theirs. These "post-soviet" states only came into existence because of a malignant campaign of sabotage, terrorism and overthrowing legitimate governments.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so, can anybody say 'Ireland'? You don't see the UK trying to 'retake' the Irish Republic. That's because we're not living in the past. And I'm sure many people in Ireland are of British descent but when have we ever claimed that gave us a right to govern the country, since we allowed them to vote to secede? That's right, never.
I assume you also believe that the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina, with that attitude?
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