• Russia seeks talks following Prince Charles's remarks
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[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876504]Russia is simply trying to protect what is rightfully theirs. These "post-soviet" states only came into existence because of a malignant campaign of sabotage, terrorism and overthrowing legitimate governments. Just watch Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States, after the Vietnam war there was no way the west could be rationally called "the good guys". We have to ask if preserving the results of such an ill-gotten victory is really worth it.[/QUOTE] Are you stupid, or just a troll with bad taste? Do you think India rightfully belongs to Britain? No. It doesn't. Now just replace India with ANY post soviet country, and Britain with Russia. Can you see the flaw with your logic now?
Rufus is right about one thing, neither the US nor many of the post-soviet states are the 'good guys'.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44878887]Rufus is right about one thing, neither the US nor many of the post-soviet states are the 'good guys'.[/QUOTE] Shame Rufus isn't right about the entire point of the thread. The irony that Putin is acting like a Nazi. Using the same aggressive foreign policy and tactics to achieve some twisted notion of irredentism.
[QUOTE=bearwolf;44878935]Shame Rufus isn't right about the entire point of the thread. The irony that Putin is acting like a Nazi. Using the same aggressive foreign policy and tactics to achieve some twisted notion of irredentism.[/QUOTE] Lol, does not a nazi make. If you think Putin is nazi-like at all, it's great proof of how ignorant you are of this situation. The west is just angry it's been delivered a well-coordinated, blunt slap after conducting aggressive regime change. I guess nationalism is just so foreign to the modern day liberal it's all nazism to them.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876574]Give me a call when you've watched Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States. Do you not think that Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States is based on facts? How you feel if America lost the Cold War and western Europe joined the Warsaw pact and states like Maine or Texas became independent nations? Wouldn't you be pissed if they spent the next few decades trying to become Russian satellite States? Wouldn't you think a little American chauvinism would be justified?[/QUOTE] You're basing your entire argument and worldview over one persons' documentary. Thank fuck you don't watch Michael Moore.
[QUOTE=Noss;44879145]You're basing your entire argument and worldview over one persons' documentary. Thank fuck you don't watch Michael Moore.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the west has Robert Conquest and the Black Book of Communism. At least these documentaries and other materials are made by independent randoms like Chomsky, Zinn, Moore, etc. who have never been enfranchised (not to mention financed) like anti-communists.
[QUOTE=Jon27;44878682]Okay, so, can anybody say 'Ireland'? You don't see the UK trying to 'retake' the Irish Republic. That's because we're not living in the past. And I'm sure many people in Ireland are of British descent but when have we ever claimed that gave us a right to govern the country, since we allowed them to vote to secede? That's right, never.[/QUOTE] Not yet. But I assure you, by granting Ireland (and possibly Scotland this year) independence we have only rewound the tape, but the course of events will play-out the same way. England has historically tried at dominating it's neighbors, and ultimately ended up succeeding. The process was started by Edward I, helped along by folks like James VI/I, Oliver Cromwell and Queen Anne before being finalized by the Acts of Union of 1800. It took a while but the result was all the British Isles being brought together as a single power. The current world-order frowns upon nationalism and expansionism but it won't last forever. Sooner or later the process that led to the original union will reboot itself, kicking off the same long chain of events that started back in the Middle-Ages. It may not happen quickly, but British history speaks for itself. So you're right at the moment; you don't see Britain trying to reacquire Ireland. But most of British history has been the gradual absorption of all the nations in these islands into one central power, I believe it only a matter of time before this long process begins again.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876754]There is talk of succession in many states today, particularly Texas. [/QUOTE] You think you'd be able to at least spell secession correctly if you were going to make such a pointless, po-faced argument about absolutely fucking nothing of consequence whatsoever. I know that this section of FP is pretty much a glorified political pissing contest at times; but you'd think you'd put at least [B]some[/B] effort into the drivel you spout.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44879301]Oooh you are one of [I]those[/I].[/QUOTE] Do you deny there is a neo-liberal hegemony hostile to nationalist 'rogue states'?
Apparently its not him getting involved in party politics as its the same view all the major parties share. I think the BBC reporter who reported this earlier on their website might either know something no one else knows or they were making a huge assumption.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44879336]Do you deny there is a neo-liberal hegemony hostile to nationalist 'rogue states'?[/QUOTE] Exactly, and when this hegemony is gone, we're going to see a lot more nations trying to reassert old borders. [QUOTE=Jsm;44879337]Apparently its not him getting involved in party politics as its the same view all the major parties share. I think the BBC reporter who reported this earlier on their website might either know something no one else knows or they were making a huge assumption.[/QUOTE] It's more about him getting involved in diplomatic matters. And it's not a view shared by everyone in the major parties, a Labour MP actually called on him to abdicate.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876504]Russia is simply trying to protect what is rightfully theirs. These "post-soviet" states only came into existence because of a malignant campaign of sabotage, terrorism and overthrowing legitimate governments. Just watch Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States, after the Vietnam war there was no way the west could be rationally called "the good guys". We have to ask if preserving the results of such an ill-gotten victory is really worth it.[/QUOTE] How the fuck do ANY post-soviet states belong to russia, please tell me WHAT claim do they have over other countries and cultures? Last time the russians took over what happened was mass executions, seizing lands and businesses, deportations and opression. We sure want that back.
[QUOTE=Conscript;44879336]Do you deny there is a neo-liberal hegemony hostile to nationalist 'rogue states'?[/QUOTE] Oh my god guys it's majestic. The last reactionary.
[QUOTE=WhollyRufus;44876754]There is talk of succession in many states today, particularly Texas.[/QUOTE] Actions speak Louder then Words.
What the living hell happened to this thread? Just went through it and went from discussing Prince Charles's remarks to suddenly talks of Texas seceding from the USA?
[QUOTE=timmyboi;44881181]What the living hell happened to this thread? Just went through it and went from discussing Prince Charles's remarks to suddenly talks of Texas seceding from the USA?[/QUOTE] Yeah, same here. WhollyRufus happened.
WhollyRufus you remind me of the Spanish Inquistion because nobody expects the Spanish Inquistion. Anyway I'm glad it was Charlie who said something and not his Dad, imagine if Phillip had said anything about Putin? It would be either racist, sexist or pervy or all 3.
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