54,000 People Sign Petition for a UK General Election in 2016 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Tacooo;50095955]Except it was a headline in every major newspaper in the UK and is currently trending on Twitter as well as a demonstration taking place this weekend outside of Downing Street? No one seems to care though, right?[/QUOTE] Yes, noone cares. Twitter is irrelevant especially. Maybe 'noone cares' is too far. But nowhere near enough people care.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50095935]No-one who isn't very politically aware has mentioned it, which signals to me that they don't care all that much[/QUOTE] I think you greatly underestimate the wrath of those who think they've been wronged. It doesn't even necessarily need to be true.

[QUOTE=Mesothere;50096010]I think you greatly underestimate the wrath of those who think they've been wronged. It doesn't even necessarily need to be true.[/QUOTE] This is the problem though. People don't think they've been wronged. The PM didn't break the law, paid all relevant taxes, lost his stake before he became PM and it was only £30,000, which to most people, when hearing about the billions held by others offshore makes this seem irrelevant.

fuck off, i hate the tories as much as the next but our country is the bunch of stupid fucks who voted them in in the first place (granted fptp contributed as well) we dont deserve a second chance tbh, they fucked us over last term albiet held back by the lib dems, and now we elected them again, ive no sympathy for us anymore tbh

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50096018]This is the problem though. People don't think they've been wronged. The PM didn't break the law, paid all relevant taxes, lost his stake before he became PM and it was only £30,000, which to most people, when hearing about the billions held by others offshore makes this seem irrelevant.[/QUOTE] Evidence clearly suggests otherwise. On one hand, we have measurable numbers of people signing petitions, talking about it, commenting on news articles, and organising events and protests in action against it. On the other, we've got you, posting on the internet, claiming you haven't seen anyone "not politically aware" talking about it.

If Twitter and fucking petitions were accurate indicators in politics, Sanders would be president and Snowden VP.

Parliament won't be dissolved just because of a mere petition of 100 000 signatures...

[QUOTE=The mouse;50094933]These online petitions are so pathetic, I have no idea whether some of them are started ironically with things such as "Ban David Cameron from returning to the country" or "Re-run the 2015 general election".[/QUOTE] To be fair with the Prime Minister and his chancellor being exposed of tax avoidance it's kind of justified this time.

You could get like 600,000 signatures and nobody of any importance will even read it, it's annoying when shit like this makes the news because it convinces people online petitions matter or have ever changed anything

[QUOTE=Cabbage;50096308]You could get like 600,000 signatures and nobody of any importance will even read it, it's annoying when shit like this makes the news because it convinces people online petitions matter or have ever changed anything[/QUOTE] and comments like this only degrade them more its a vicious spiral huh [editline]8th April 2016[/editline] "why bother trying to do something nobody is gonna read it anyway"

I don't think Cameron has done anything wrong, it was his father. In any case he cashed in all his investments back in 2010 so it's not like he is actively participating in this.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50095836]noone outside of your bubble cares[/QUOTE] Yeah man, you just keep on pretending that it's just a small 'bubble' of people who are absolutely dissatisfied with our current government. I've personally witnessed thousands of people unite in support of labour, and in protest of all the bad shit the tories are doing, but nah, we're just a few anomalies with no influence. Your worldview is perfectly safe. I mean, the last election was one of the most divisive in history, and the conservatives only managed to crawl back into office with 37% of the vote, so it's not like the populace would feel under-represented or anything. You've got nothing to worry about mate, your thieving, pig-fucking golden boy isn't going anywhere.

[QUOTE=Arsonist;50096387]I don't think Cameron has done anything wrong, it was his father. In any case he cashed in all his investments back in 2010 so it's not like he is actively participating in this.[/QUOTE] he had 30,000 pound stake in this off shore company, sold it when he became PM and is now reluctant to close up tax loop holes sounds a lil fishy to you?

David is a big liar and I hope he gets removed, we need a better leader that will guide this country to greatness.

[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50096767]Yeah man, you just keep on pretending that it's just a small 'bubble' of people who are absolutely dissatisfied with our current government. I've personally witnessed thousands of people unite in support of labour, and in protest of all the bad shit the tories are doing, but nah, we're just a few anomalies with no influence. Your worldview is perfectly safe. I mean, the last election was one of the most divisive in history, and the conservatives only managed to crawl back into office with 37% of the vote, so it's not like the populace would feel under-represented or anything. You've got nothing to worry about mate, your thieving, pig-fucking golden boy isn't going anywhere.[/QUOTE] yes you have no influence give up now

[QUOTE=Jeremy Corbyn;50097054]David is a big liar and I hope he gets removed, we need a better leader that will guide this country to greatness.[/QUOTE] Waiting for your next performance in Prime Minister Question time.

Won't happen, the fixed term parliament act means that unless there is a vote of no confidence (which Cameron would win because he has a majority) elections cannot be called until 2020. This is another online petition that will get absolutely nowhere.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50095979]Yes, noone cares. Twitter is irrelevant especially. Maybe 'noone cares' is too far. But nowhere near enough people care.[/QUOTE] You sound like you relish the fact. Also shit like this; [QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;50095390]Also cheers FlashMarsh, I also find it funny how whoever loses the election cries about the voting system.[/QUOTE] Sure if it got your preferred candidate/party in power course it's just gonna sound like people being "sore losers", how about if you thought "Miliband is gonna fuck us even harder than the tories" and somehow labour got the majority cause of the fucked up system we got here? Do you think that despite ukip getting nearly 13% of the votes should rightfully result in them having gained [I]one [/I]seat? You've got a fucked up definition of democracy if you think that fits the bill

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50097141]yes you have no influence give up now[/QUOTE] Yeah I'd dare say he has about as much influence as you do, which is to say we each have a vote to decide whether we're satisfied or not. Perhaps you can use our tears to keep your troll boat afloat.

Ranking higher on the petition list are.... "Block Donald J Trump from UK entry" "Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS is defeated." "Stop allowing immigrants into the UK." "Restrict the use of fireworks to reduce stress and fear in animals and pets" "Include expressive arts subjects in the Ebacc" Serious issues all. Public petitions are a joke, and this means nothing. Cameron legally did nothing wrong. Now, we can argue forever about the morale aspect and yes perhaps I'd agree that this was not really in the spirit of things. But all this utter shit about "impeaching" him is unworthy of discussion. To clear up - in the UK, TAX AVOIDANCE is LEGAL - TAX EVASION is ILLEGAL. This was TAX AVOIDANCE.

[QUOTE=Matriax;50099072]Ranking higher on the petition list are.... "Block Donald J Trump from UK entry" "Stop all immigration and close the UK borders until ISIS is defeated." "Stop allowing immigrants into the UK." "Restrict the use of fireworks to reduce stress and fear in animals and pets" "Include expressive arts subjects in the Ebacc" Serious issues all. Public petitions are a joke, and this means nothing. Cameron legally did nothing wrong. Now, we can argue forever about the morale aspect and yes perhaps I'd agree that this was not really in the spirit of things. But all this utter shit about "impeaching" him is unworthy of discussion. To clear up - in the UK, TAX AVOIDANCE is LEGAL - TAX EVASION is ILLEGAL. This was TAX AVOIDANCE.[/QUOTE] Its legal but a big shit on everyones face move when you're the PM of a couple of countries with a bad reputation of not really caring about poorer people and now its found that you dodged tax a while ago. Like, can people not just see that it can be damaging even if its legal.

[QUOTE=Mythman;50097551]Won't happen, the fixed term parliament act means that unless there is a vote of no confidence (which Cameron would win because he has a majority) elections cannot be called until 2020. This is another online petition that will get absolutely nowhere.[/QUOTE] Wrong - the Queen (if she wants to) has the power to dissolve parliament and put the opposition leader as the Prime Minister, this happened in Australia and resulted in a constitutional crisis The sworn in opposition leader had to quickly dissolve parliament as a vote of no confidence would of been drafted up immedately The Queen would most likely never use this power, but she has the right to use if need be

Nothing Cameron did was illegal or ill practice, the shady thing about it is that he knew about it.

I just want to point out that this is an online petition, with the only background checks being a tick box and a place to type in a post code. The chances all the signatures are from different UK residents is kinda low. Not saying the number is drastically off but it's likely that a few people done it twice and a few people outside of the UK just looked up a post code.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50096353]and comments like this only degrade them more its a vicious spiral huh [editline]8th April 2016[/editline] "why bother trying to do something nobody is gonna read it anyway"[/QUOTE] Not really, the fact that these online petitions do nothing is that nobody has to do what they say or even read them. After a certain number of signatures the UK parliament is forced to 'discuss' it in parliament but 90% of the time that just means 'no' or 'we'll look into it'. It's not my commentary that makes them useless, they are useless by nature.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50099121]Wrong - the Queen (if she wants to) has the power to dissolve parliament and put the opposition leader as the Prime Minister, this happened in Australia and resulted in a constitutional crisis The sworn in opposition leader had to quickly dissolve parliament as a vote of no confidence would of been drafted up immedately The Queen would most likely never use this power, but she has the right to use if need be[/QUOTE] That might be how it works in Australia but in the UK the Fixed Term Parliament act removed that power in 2011: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliaments_Act_2011[/url] The only way an early election can be called is a vote of no confidence or a 2/3rds majority of MPs. Specifically, Section 3 of the Act means that: [QUOTE] Parliament cannot otherwise be dissolved; the Queen will not be able to dissolve Parliament in exercise of the prerogative[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/14/notes/division/6/3[/url]

The petition has now gone over 100,000 signatures so it has to be debated in parliament. The government response will be 'Can't happen due to Fixed Term Parliament Act' and the world will move on as if this never happened.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;50095282]So you knew you were being fed bullshit but ate it anyway?[/QUOTE] You just described the typical Donald Trump voter

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50095297]Because everyone will try to reduce the amount of tax they pay. There are all sorts of kinds of tax evasion that millions of ordinary people use every day that don't involve strange schemes where your money is sent to Panama. You would be being punished for flaws and loopholes in a law rather than for actual law, which to most people (including myself) seems unfair and the fault of the country itself for not designing the laws better.[/QUOTE] So who is supposed to make these better laws? The politicians who make use of them? The politicians who receive donations from businesses who make use of them? Politicians shouldn't use loopholes in the laws they make. It stinks of conflict of interest at the expense of the british people. Also you are wrong about everyone trying to reduce the amount of tax they pay. You maybe. But taxes pay for your healthcare, education, road repairs and safety. Frankly trying to shirk paying for those services is just downright selfish and shortsighted. Also the petition lists other reasons for him to step down. Not delivering on promises from this term and continually misleading the public (and blaming the government before the last for the debts which have doubled on his watch). You are clearly approaching this subjectively. [editline]10th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mythman;50099604]That might be how it works in Australia but in the UK the Fixed Term Parliament act removed that power in 2011: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-term_Parliaments_Act_2011[/url] The only way an early election can be called is a vote of no confidence or a 2/3rds majority of MPs. Specifically, Section 3 of the Act means that: [url]http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/14/notes/division/6/3[/url][/QUOTE] Interesting. I wonder if euroskeptics will use it as a chance to attack the Cameron lead pro-EU campaign. Hamstring the EU stuff, replace cameron with one of their own, force opposition to take lead during an upcoming hard time (shit economy, EU troubles, labour ununified) to snatch election back in a few years. [editline]10th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=scurr;50099183]Nothing Cameron did was illegal or ill practice, the shady thing about it is that he knew about it.[/QUOTE] bare conflict of interest blad

No-one would put their pension in something taxed normally, that would be completely stupid... [editline]10th April 2016[/editline] By the way... THIS was Cameron's 'intervention' on tax evasion: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfbJ1lhXEAAHQUd.jpg[/IMG] IE. In line with the constant deterioration of that paper, the Guardian basically spun so much that I would consider themselves to be flat out lying to the public.