First first-party Xbox One games going to take up 35 GB to 47 GB of your hard disc for the required - Polidicks

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;42677792]Same reason the PC installs games from disc, its faster and you don't have to suffer from shitty DVD/Blu-Ray load times, the small HDD on the otherhand is a problem but can't you buy cheap as fuck external 1TB Hard Drive's now?[/QUOTE] PC games have always been installed, which is why not having to install games is a selling point for CONSOLES.

Doesn't the PS4 allow you to cache your games, instead of installing them? [url]http://www.gamepur.com/news/12566-new-ps4-details-automatic-caching-games-not-install-voice-commands-without-.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;42674803]Back in the day the original Xbox already did required installs on the disk, but it did it discretely, HL2 for example required about 2GB on the Xbox's 8GB hard drive, when that cache gets full from other games it simply gets deleted, it's clever and works[/QUOTE] If I'm not mistaken, a lot of Xbox games did that, and it was very clever. Some 360 games like Halo 3 did as well. Made sense to cache frequently used game data to the HDD, since all Xbox's had them. However, back then, it wasn't a huge deal, since you would deal with one longer load time, then be done with it. These games are fucking huge.

What the hell kind of video game console doesn't have local multiplayer?

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;42678628]What the hell kind of video game console doesn't have local multiplayer?[/QUOTE] Um Dead Rising has never had local coop. Games will still be split screen, just not DR3 or Ryse

IIRC you will be able to use external hard drives to increase how much space you have (like the wiiu) though i also recall them saying it was going to get patched later.

I have a feeling that these consoles are going to be obsolete fairly quickly after release. I just think that we are at a turning point for the technology that they use. In other words, I think that large super-fast SSDs will be the norm for PC gamers within a few years, let alone any unforseen advancements in RAM and CPU/GPU tech. I'm not saying not to buy them, I just think that, barring any outside intervention, the tech for PC gamers will evolve much more quickly than usual in the next few years.

[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;42678716]IIRC you will be able to use external hard drives to increase how much space you have (like the wiiu) though i also recall them saying it was going to get patched later.[/QUOTE] I believe neither will support externals at launch, but will down the road. That's why the 500gb doesn't bother me that much, I have so many TB external drives sitting around, by the time I'd fill 500gb I'm sure they'll have the patch out.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;42677983]PC games have always been installed, which is why not having to install games is a selling point for CONSOLES.[/QUOTE] Or WAS.

[QUOTE=Reshy;42674290]Jesus CHRIST, does Microsoft not know what compression software is? OR is having "Large" games more of a selling point of the system?[/QUOTE] I'm chalking it up to incompetence, myself. My Fallout NV installation. Heavily modded (with new models, voiced NPCs, the works), tons of 7z and install files still left over, many even from multiple versions of the same mod. All DLCs, even a BSA or two from Fallout 3 because I was working on a mod that brought some content in (before TTW became a thing). Doesn't even hit 20 GB. Why the fuck are these vanilla games encroaching on 50 GB?

[QUOTE=lavacano;42678937]I'm chalking it up to incompetence, myself. My Fallout NV installation. Heavily modded (with new models, voiced NPCs, the works), tons of 7z and install files still left over, many even from multiple versions of the same mod. All DLCs, even a BSA or two from Fallout 3 because I was working on a mod that brought some content in (before TTW became a thing). Doesn't even hit 20 GB. Why the fuck are these vanilla games encroaching on 50 GB?[/QUOTE] That's what I'm wondering, even PS4 games are hitting the 40 mark: [url]http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/10/28/rumor-knack-and-killzone-shadow-fall-ps4-install-sizes-are-37gb-and-45gb-respectively/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rumor-knack-and-killzone-shadow-fall-ps4-install-sizes-are-37gb-and-45gb-respectively[/url] I've played Knack and it does NOT look like it should be taking up that much space. Maybe all next gen games come with a money printer that requires 30 gigs and they're just not telling us about it. :v:

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;42674489]SSD's aren't tremendously stable yet though, are they? (That's not rhetorical.) Also, $80 for a console pehiphery is quite a lot, to be fair.[/QUOTE] They were unstable, maybe 5 years ago

I'm more interested in what that Top Gear thing on the back of that first box is, the reflection makes it hard to read what it says about that.

[QUOTE=simkas;42679319]I'm more interested in what that Top Gear thing on the back of that first box is, the reflection makes it hard to read what it says about that.[/QUOTE] Forza 4 started a partnership with Top Gear, Clarkson narrated the game. It's pretty fucking rad tbh. 5 must be carrying that on.

[QUOTE=lavacano;42678937]I'm chalking it up to incompetence, myself. My Fallout NV installation. Heavily modded (with new models, voiced NPCs, the works), tons of 7z and install files still left over, many even from multiple versions of the same mod. All DLCs, even a BSA or two from Fallout 3 because I was working on a mod that brought some content in (before TTW became a thing). Doesn't even hit 20 GB. Why the fuck are these vanilla games encroaching on 50 GB?[/QUOTE] There's a very good chance the reason for that is texture resolution and audio quality. Most games this gen rarely used particularly high resolution textures, the next gen allows for higher resolutions to be standard in games, so expect sizes to increase dramatically. Compression is not the answer to this problem, it introduces more problems after fixing the size issue (largely decompression causing loading to be unbearable, but also that not everything can actually be compressed to a decent ratio). [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Cuel;42679297]They were unstable, maybe 5 years ago[/QUOTE] SSDs have been fine for years from what I understand. Most of the problems that exist are just limits of the hardware whilst companies experiment, but they don't die quickly any more.

[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;42678774]I believe neither will support externals at launch, but will down the road. That's why the 500gb doesn't bother me that much, I have so many TB external drives sitting around, by the time I'd fill 500gb I'm sure they'll have the patch out.[/QUOTE] Except you won't be able to use them because Microsoft will require you to use an xbox one certified official external hdd just like the xbox 360.

Ha! This is hilarious. I had such hopes that the next-gen consoles would be future proof so as to allow for more developmental breathing room for PC games. No such luck. A 1TB harddrive?! Really? I had 4TB in my old computer, and now that I've foolishly bought a Nvidia Tidan (should've waited for the R9 290X) I'm about to add another 2TB's. The harddrives cost jack shit nowadays.

[QUOTE=latin_geek;42674772]Consoles are still more convenient since you make one $500 purchase now and you're guaranteed to get all kinds of games that work out of the box for like, seven years[/QUOTE] I would have to argue that for that seven years games are restricted to the technical specs of the console, while a PC is near infinitely more powerful and can allow more creativity and diverse application of technology through, at the very least, simply having more power. I agree that consoles are easier to use though.

[QUOTE=SataniX;42674749]Multiplayer with friends is about it.[/QUOTE] Online multiplayer PC games exist though. [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;42677792]Same reason the PC installs games from disc, its faster and you don't have to suffer from shitty DVD/Blu-Ray load times, the small HDD on the otherhand is a problem but can't you buy cheap as fuck external 1TB Hard Drive's now?[/QUOTE] What if I don't give a shit about worse load times enough to have to install all my games? I'd like to be able to just play whatever I want from the disk without having to deal with all that bullshit and have to choose which games I can play at any given time. Sure, it's cool to have that option, but mandatory? Fuck off. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to give up performance for convenience.

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[QUOTE=Pr0fane;42680387]Ha! This is hilarious. I had such hopes that the next-gen consoles would be future proof so as to allow for more developmental breathing room for PC games. No such luck. A 1TB harddrive?! Really? I had 4TB in my old computer, and now that I've foolishly bought a Nvidia Tidan (should've waited for the R9 290X) I'm about to add another 2TB's. The harddrives cost jack shit nowadays.[/QUOTE] 1TB would have actually been a pretty good size for the HDD in the next-gen consoles, if games are going to average at 40GB that's not a bad number of games plus extra content installed at once. 1TB is still more than the average person uses in home computing, you're an edge case so nobody actually gives a fuck how much space you have.

They didn't include a 1TB hdd so they can sell official ones for outrageous prices just like on 360 did.

[QUOTE=Memobot;42680809]while a PC is near infinitely more powerful and can allow more creativity and diverse application of technology through, at the very least, simply having more power.[/QUOTE] ...as long as you can fork over the extra cash

So is this [I]exactly[/I] 47 or 35 GB of space, or [I]up to[/I] like it says on the box? Unless we get an actual source that isn't just a gaf thread I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon. Not just yet. [editline]28th October 2013[/editline] Like, Rome 2 says it requires like 35 gigs of space, but the total sum of all the files is like 15-20 or so. Same with a lot of other games.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;42677983]PC games have always been installed, which is why not having to install games is a selling point for CONSOLES.[/QUOTE] Early CD ROM games required you to install and have the disc in them at the same time

How did I not hear this bit about having to install games earlier? It's amazing how close this is getting to satire about entertainment hardware. It's a generic looking black box that's expensive, inconvenient, and underpowered.

holy fucking shit. How are these games so big

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;42683171]Early CD ROM games required you to install and have the disc in them at the same time[/QUOTE] That just checked if you owned the game or not, didn't actually use the disc.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;42684595]That just checked if you owned the game or not, didn't actually use the disc.[/QUOTE] That would vary per game and installation option you choose, as some would allow you to install the entire game to hard-drive, while still retaining the option to put on the bare minimum to save space.

I'm not surprised, its one of the drawbacks to bluray. People had to install games with a super small hard drive on the ps3 launch and were fine, they'll survive.