White Students Kicked From Meeting For Not Being Racialized - Polidicks

[QUOTE]“To be clear, racism is a system of oppression, there aren't broad examples in our society that speaks to white folks being excluded from spaces … because of their race,” he said.[/QUOTE] Remember, people! If you go to China and call people chinks and slopes, that's not racist! Asian people aren't systematically treated unfairly there! [editline]18th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Katska;47347976]To be fair, the article does say that they were barred from entering because they said they didn't feel they were marginalized, not necessarily because they were white.[/QUOTE] But then Rusty's lemma should have applied, which is not the case here.

[QUOTE=Katska;47347976]To be fair, the article does say that they were barred from entering because they said they didn't feel they were marginalized, not necessarily because they were white. Who knows what would've happened had they answered 'yes'?[/QUOTE] They were singled out for being white though. Which is racial profiling... Remember, racial equality shouldn't mean "everyone gets shit on equally". Let's try and work in the other direction.

it clearly was a support group. that said the two students should have asked ahead of time and stated their intentions as purely academic

[QUOTE=archangel125;47347138]It WOULD be the National Post that carried this story. They're a trashy paper that seems to love blowing trivial issues out of proportion.[/QUOTE] Since when was the Post the Sun? It's been reported on Global too.

[QUOTE]“To be clear, racism is a system of oppression, there aren’t broad examples in our society that speaks to white folks being excluded from spaces … because of their race,” he said.[/QUOTE] Racism goes both ways it doesn't matter "who was oppressed more", this isn't a contest

So, hold on a second... Were they discriminated against because they hadn't been discriminated against previously? My God.

[QUOTE=woolio1;47348155]So, hold on a second... Were they discriminated against because they hadn't been discriminated against previously? My God.[/QUOTE] It's turtles all the way down.

the funny thing is, many blacks or jews will go "Oh, were your people oppressed" but have never actually faced any form of real discrimination at all. Not even getting spit at or called a "Nigger" or "Filthy jew". So they don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about. Jews and Blacks were treated like they were subhuman and dealt with the worst cases of oppression mankind has ever seen. what happened to them is completely unforgivable. In fact, both are treated VERY terribly even today, and it's not funny, it keeps effecting too many people, and people have to deal with some awful things. I don't understand nor can I imagine how horrifying it was. But I wasn't alive during that time, nor did I oppress any blacks, so would you kindly back the fuck off? I'm not going to feel bad for being white, that's dumb.

so i guess maybe if they showed up in a wheelchair or something they would have been let in? like i get why you might wanna put all the dudes who feel marginalized in one place to talk about it but that should really be more clearly advertised

[QUOTE=J!NX;47348189]the funny thing is, many blacks or jews will go "Oh, were your people oppressed" but have never actually faced any form of real discrimination at all. Not even getting spit at or called a "Nigger" or "Filthy jew". So they don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about. Jews and Blacks were treated like they were subhuman and dealt with the worst cases of oppression mankind has ever seen. what happened to them is completely unforgivable. In fact, both are treated VERY terribly even today, and it's not funny, it keeps effecting too many people, and people have to deal with some awful things. I don't understand nor can I imagine how horrifying it was. But I wasn't alive during that time, nor did I oppress any blacks, so would you kindly back the fuck off? I'm not going to feel bad for being white, that's dumb.[/QUOTE] [del]According to the, "check your privalege," activists, all white people need to develop a basis of guilt towards other races based on shit our ancestors did.[/del] I misunderstood.

[QUOTE=Cone;47348196]like i get why you might wanna put all the dudes who feel marginalized in one place to talk about it but that should really be more clearly advertised[/QUOTE] I guess having many people like you to talk to is the point of the meeting, but that doesn't mean people who don't fit that criteria shouldn't be allowed in. It's not like non-"racialized" people are going to ruin it unless they're racist themselves.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47348150]Racism goes both ways it doesn't matter "who was oppressed more", this isn't a contest[/QUOTE] For some reason some people see racism fighting as a "nerf" of the least oppressed race

[QUOTE=proch;47348272]For some reason some people see racism as a "nerf" of the least oppressed race[/QUOTE] Black or white, Jew or christian beating the living shit out of somebody is all the same the "Its different because your white" mentality is just dumb

[QUOTE=_Axel;47348234]I guess having many people like you to talk to is the point of the meeting, but that doesn't mean people who don't fit that criteria shouldn't be allowed in. It's not like non-"racialized" people are going to ruin it unless they're racist themselves.[/QUOTE] well no but if you want to talk about feeling marginalized then you should have something to add to the discussion. i don't get why they weren't allowed to come in and listen though [QUOTE=J!NX;47348189]the funny thing is, many blacks or jews will go "Oh, were your people oppressed" but have never actually faced any form of real discrimination at all. Not even getting spit at or called a "Nigger" or "Filthy jew". So they don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about. Jews and Blacks were treated like they were subhuman and dealt with the worst cases of oppression mankind has ever seen. what happened to them is completely unforgivable. In fact, both are treated VERY terribly even today, and it's not funny, it keeps effecting too many people, and people have to deal with some awful things. I don't understand nor can I imagine how horrifying it was. But I wasn't alive during that time, nor did I oppress any blacks, so would you kindly back the fuck off? I'm not going to feel bad for being white, that's dumb.[/QUOTE] wait you just went from blacks and jews only ever talking about racism but not facing real discrimination, to contradicting that by saying there is modern discrimination against them, to talking about black people making you feel white guilt, all in one post. what are you even trying to say with all that

[QUOTE=Cone;47348287]well no but if you want to talk about feeling marginalized then you should have something to add to the discussion. i don't get why they weren't allowed to come in and listen though wait you just went from blacks and jews only ever talking about racism but not facing real discrimination, to contradicting that by saying there is modern discrimination against them, to talking about black people making you feel white guilt, all in one post. what are you even trying to say with all that[/QUOTE] There is racism against them, but many blacks, at least around here, haven't actually seen that personally, or seen the 1950's and below tier racism that they're talking about (that pretty much depends on where you live though) most people probably haven't seen the insane shit that happened back then, or the holocaust. Many of them who might pull the "Were your people oppressed" haven't actually lived during the holocaust or were born in the 90's. I'm just trying to say it's unfair to pull the race card against whites unless you've actually faced serious hate outside of being called a name once, or haven't lived before MLK. I've simply done nothing about either of those, please don't guilt me.

What I wonder is if they'd let in a hypothetical white person who lived in Japan and kept getting called "American" all the time.

[QUOTE=Cone;47348287]well no but if you want to talk about feeling marginalized then you should have something to add to the discussion. i don't get why they weren't allowed to come in and listen though[/QUOTE] Not having been marginalized doesn't mean you can't participate constructively in a discussion about marginalization.

[QUOTE=Cone;47348287]well no but if you want to talk about feeling marginalized then you should have something to add to the discussion. i don't get why they weren't allowed to come in and listen though wait you just went from blacks and jews only ever talking about racism but not facing real discrimination, to contradicting that by saying there is modern discrimination against them, to talking about black people making you feel white guilt, all in one post. what are you even trying to say with all that[/QUOTE] So you can only have thoughts on racism and how to combat it if you've been a victim of it? Where does line train of thought even come from?

[QUOTE=_Axel;47348366]Not having been marginalized doesn't mean you can't participate constructively in a discussion about marginalization.[/QUOTE] you misunderstand me, i'm going more along the lines of people wanting to talk about ways they personally feel marginalized. not necessarily that they can't talk about how to combat it or whatever

[QUOTE=Cone;47348497]you misunderstand me, i'm going more along the lines of people wanting to talk about ways they personally feel marginalized. not necessarily that they can't talk about how to combat it or whatever[/QUOTE] Oh, sorry then. Was the meeting restricted to that, though?

Man, Ryerson has a racialized student collective? uOttawa doesn't even have one, and our Student Association wanted to build a whole racialized student centre. Of course, they put it up to a student vote where it promptly capsized, along with half of the executive who proposed it.

If this wasn't a public meeting then I wouldn't see a problem, but it's understandable that this was kind of silly because it was public. As far as the comments on why this wasn't racism, I understand where they're coming from- if they were attempting to establish a meeting catered to minorities or marginalized people, then it would make sense to not welcome white folks for historical reasons that should be obvious to anyone, but considering that this was a public meeting then it seems pretty silly. Also what is "racialized"? Never heard the term.

I'm not mad or trying to be rude, but what about my post is irritating you guys? From what I understand, (based on statements from the check your privalege community) the idea presented/goal desired is that I, as a white male, am expected/requested to form a pre-disposition of personal guilt/feel partially responsible based on my race towards other races based on the things my white ancestors have done. I could be misunderstanding it and I'm not trying to be rude in saying it, but that's the understanding I've gotten. I'm not picking sides, purely just sharing what I've observed.

[QUOTE=_Axel;47348521]Oh, sorry then. Was the meeting restricted to that, though?[/QUOTE] i don't know, i would assume so [QUOTE]“She asked them if they had been marginalized or racialized, and when they both responded ‘no,’ that’s when she said the meeting was only for those who felt they had been,” said Anne McNeilly, an associate professor at the Ryerson School of Journalism.[/QUOTE] it seems the big problem here is that the meeting was advertised as being open to anyone when it apparently wasn't, not necessarily the required conditions themselves

[QUOTE=Smallheart;47348617]I'm not mad or trying to be rude, but what about my post is irritating you guys? From what I understand, (based on statements from the check your privalege community) the idea presented/goal desired is that I, as a white male, am expected/requested to form a pre-disposition of guilt towards other races based on the things my white ancestors have done. I could be misunderstanding it and I'm not trying to be rude in saying it, but that's the understanding I've gotten. I'm not picking sides, purely just sharing what I've observed.[/QUOTE] You're not supposed to feel guilty, you're just supposed to just keep in mind that on average white (and male) people have it easier and do not experience a lot of the things minorities do. i.e. a white person doesn't have to fear being racially profiled (unfairly) nearly as much as a black person would, or a cis person doesn't have to fear about being beat up or yelled at if they use the bathroom that fits their identity. The whole point is that you should be mindful that your subjective experience of life isn't totally inclusive of how other, less well off or marginalized, people experience it.

[QUOTE=Cone;47348660]i don't know, i would assume so it seems the big problem here is that the meeting was advertised as being open to anyone when it apparently wasn't, not necessarily the required conditions themselves[/QUOTE] Still doesn't excuse forbidding other people from listening to the meeting, though.

[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;47347145]I've never heard the term used like that outside of tumblr and I've seen the same done with "sexism". It's just a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals redefining terms so that they can shit on white dudes without being "racist" or "sexist".[/QUOTE] What are the dimensions of the rock you live under?

[QUOTE=Levithan;47348670]You're not supposed to feel guilty, you're just supposed to just keep in mind that on average white (and male) people have it easier and do not experience a lot of the things minorities do. i.e. a white person doesn't have to fear being racially profiled (unfairly) nearly as much as a black person would, or a cis person doesn't have to fear about being beat up or yelled at if they use the bathroom that fits their identity. The whole point is that you should be mindful that your subjective experience of life isn't totally inclusive of how other, less well off or marginalized, people experience it.[/QUOTE] That seems reasonable, though that could be generalized to having no assumptions about how other people live their lives. What I don't like is when people use this notion to claim that "privileged" people can't understand what "unprivileged" people do, and that they thus shouldn't have a say in anything related to racism or sexism.

[QUOTE=Levithan;47348670]You're not supposed to feel guilty, you're just supposed to just keep in mind that on average white (and male) people have it easier and do not experience a lot of the things minorities do. i.e. a white person doesn't have to fear being racially profiled (unfairly) nearly as much as a black person would, or a cis person doesn't have to fear about being beat up or yelled at if they use the bathroom that fits their identity. The whole point is that you should be mindful that your subjective experience of life isn't totally inclusive of how other, less well off or marginalized, people experience it.[/QUOTE] I can and do completely abide by that, I guess I was mistaken in my understanding. I've run into several people who, during any kind of debate involving race in any way, will throw the, "check your privilege," card, as if it trumps any and all forms of logic, and as if me being white makes me inherently wrong about any argument I present that doesn't automatically support the racial minority, even if actual evidence and non-biased fact don't either. I am absolutely for equal rights for all and agree that I am more privaleged in the aspects you outlined, but several times I've been told to check my privalege, (or to shut the fuck up, essentially) even though race really had nothing to do with the situation at hand, but if I try to move forward in the discussion I'm labelled as a racist. And for the record, I'm not, I treat all people equally regardless of race, I have a black uncle (adoptive) who is so close in age and was around so much he's more of a big brother to me, and my best friend of 20 years is of Mexican descent. I also have more gay friends than straight friends. (I shouldn't have to try and prove that I'm not a racist/bigot but that's literally how bad it's been sometimes.)

[QUOTE=wraithcat;47347064]I still find the North American definition of racism to just be bloody weird.[/QUOTE] anything white people do.