White Students Kicked From Meeting For Not Being Racialized - Polidicks

Really what people who conflate racism and systematic racism seem to do is consider that an example is the definition. A square is a polygon. That doesn't mean every polygon has 4 sides.

[QUOTE=_Axel;47349453]Even if by believing in your definition, you could engage in actually racist behavior without thinking you're behaving in a racist manner? Does that mean I can create my own definition of sexism and then act in the most misogynist way possible and still state that I'm not sexist?[/QUOTE] To be honest, therein often lies the difference in systemic and normal racism. systemic can be very subtle and the people who commit it might not even be aware of the fact they do it. Which is why I don't like the fact that americans try to work in the will of one social class to keep another one down into the definition. The cop who stops a few more blacks might not be even trying to be racist, the bank worker who gives a black couple a slightly worse loan might be doing all they can to not be racist otherwise. But they have a hunch or have the numbers to back it up that blacks are a higher risk. This kind of racism is incredibly pernicious, because the people who commit it are not even aware of it. It's very similar to in particular british classcism. Where working class families are significantly worse off than middle or upper class. Not because someone is overtly hostile to them, but due to small and subtle things which might stem on the name of an applicant, the place they live, their accents. The main difference is, that someone who is working class isn't as visible at first sight as opposed to say a black person. But there's very similar processes at work. That's one of the reasons systemic racism is so hard to root out. It's more often than not, not intentional. (at least in a modern context, not talking about the situation 30-50 years ago.) [QUOTE=Cronos Dage;47349787]why do women-only gyms/gymtime still exist :v: the only ones I can understand are the women-and-children only ones where the idea not to make the women feel less oppressed but so the guys aren't so annoyed noise-blocking headphones tho[/QUOTE] Let's just say, it's entirely possible someone might not feel very comfortable in skintight clothes, working out and with catching appraising or sexually explicit looks from time to time. Some women just don't care, others can't really work out otherwise. There's a reason female only days are fairly popular. [QUOTE=Boaraes;47349783]what I've been using is the sociological interpretation of the broadest definition (whites over others) in other words, there are multiple definitions. xenophobia, supremacism, segregation, legal, etc.[/QUOTE] Sorry to nitpick again, but if you are using the NA sociological definition don't use whites. Use dominant social class or ethnic. The japanese can be fairly racist to immigrants as an example, that doesn't make them white.

So I personally think all this SJW shit is just the death knell of the humanities departments. They're getting all their funding cut down and are on their way out so they have to resort to racism to get what they want. Can't wait til it's just STEM in colleges :D

[QUOTE=proboardslol;47354154]So I personally think all this SJW shit is just the death knell of the humanities departments. They're getting all their funding cut down and are on their way out so they have to resort to racism to get what they want. Can't wait til it's just STEM in colleges :D[/QUOTE] so we should not care at all about the humanities? not discuss the atrocities committed by humanity and try not to repeat them?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;47354154]So I personally think all this SJW shit is just the death knell of the humanities departments. They're getting all their funding cut down and are on their way out so they have to resort to racism to get what they want. Can't wait til it's just STEM in colleges :D[/QUOTE] yeah sorry I'm an Anthro major because I want to go into Archeology. This isn't a "humanities" problem.

[QUOTE=Levithan;47348813]I get cheesed off when cisgender people try to comment on what it means to be transgender when they've [I]never experienced the hardships or struggles of being transgender[/I]. I would think it's the same thing when white folk try to fit themselves into discussions like that when they have no actual experience of being black or asian or etc. When I comes to certain topics or groups, privileged people's opinion literally does not matter since their opinions are formed from experiences that [I]lack[/I] whatever they're trying to talk about. I wouldn't expect the opinion of someone who tries to explain what it's like to be suicidal and how difficult it can be, when that person hasn't ever been suicidal, to be regarded nearly as legitimate as someone who has actually been suicidal. Sure, they can describe what other people have felt and the symptoms of depression and such, but the most they can do is sympathize rather than truly empathize, and they run the risk of providing advice or a position that is unhelpful or even harmful.[/QUOTE] I think you're on the wrong website, bub

[QUOTE=proboardslol;47354154]So I personally think all this SJW shit is just the death knell of the humanities departments. They're getting all their funding cut down and are on their way out so they have to resort to racism to get what they want. Can't wait til it's just STEM in colleges :D[/QUOTE] Because fuck history and psychology. We don't need to understand people, just computers and numbers.

[QUOTE=Levithan;47348813]I get cheesed off when cisgender people try to comment on what it means to be transgender when they've [I]never experienced the hardships or struggles of being transgender[/I]. I would think it's the same thing when white folk try to fit themselves into discussions like that when they have no actual experience of being black or asian or etc. When I comes to certain topics or groups, privileged people's opinion literally does not matter since their opinions are formed from experiences that [I]lack[/I] whatever they're trying to talk about. I wouldn't expect the opinion of someone who tries to explain what it's like to be suicidal and how difficult it can be, when that person hasn't ever been suicidal, to be regarded nearly as legitimate as someone who has actually been suicidal. Sure, they can describe what other people have felt and the symptoms of depression and such, but the most they can do is sympathize rather than truly empathize, and they run the risk of providing advice or a position that is unhelpful or even harmful.[/QUOTE] For a second there I thought I was on Tumblr rather than Facepunch.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;47354154]So I personally think all this SJW shit is just the death knell of the humanities departments. They're getting all their funding cut down and are on their way out so they have to resort to racism to get what they want. Can't wait til it's just STEM in colleges :D[/QUOTE] You don't strike me as much of a people person. Besides, the "SJW shit" is only prominent because they are the loudest minority (in the group of humanities, that is).

[QUOTE=Levithan;47348813]I get cheesed off when cisgender people try to comment on what it means to be transgender when they've never experienced the hardships or struggles of being transgender. I would think it's the same thing when white folk try to fit themselves into discussions like that when they have no actual experience of being black or asian or etc. When I comes to certain topics or groups, privileged people's opinion literally does not matter since their opinions are formed from experiences that lack whatever they're trying to talk about. I wouldn't expect the opinion of someone who tries to explain what it's like to be suicidal and how difficult it can be, when that person hasn't ever been suicidal, to be regarded nearly as legitimate as someone who has actually been suicidal. Sure, they can describe what other people have felt and the symptoms of depression and such, but the most they can do is sympathize rather than truly empathize, and they run the risk of providing advice or a position that is unhelpful or even harmful.[/QUOTE] Views like this are untenable and unscientific garbage that seeks to undermine the many advances made in human psychology over the past century. Why bother looking into depression or transgenderism when the view that "unless you had it, you don't understand it" explicitly makes it impossible to study from an impartial perspective using scientific methodology? We are getting better at studying and understanding the human mind every day, so saying things like "they run the risk of providing advice or a position that is unhelpful or even harmful" is pretty much grade A bullshit that does nothing but marginalize people with mental health issues.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;47354154]So I personally think all this SJW shit is just the death knell of the humanities departments. They're getting all their funding cut down and are on their way out so they have to resort to racism to get what they want. Can't wait til it's just STEM in colleges :D[/QUOTE] ugh

[QUOTE=Levithan;47348813]I get cheesed off when cisgender people try to comment on what it means to be transgender when they've [I]never experienced the hardships or struggles of being transgender[/I]. I would think it's the same thing when white folk try to fit themselves into discussions like that when they have no actual experience of being black or asian or etc. When I comes to certain topics or groups, privileged people's opinion literally does not matter since their opinions are formed from experiences that [I]lack[/I] whatever they're trying to talk about. I wouldn't expect the opinion of someone who tries to explain what it's like to be suicidal and how difficult it can be, when that person hasn't ever been suicidal, to be regarded nearly as legitimate as someone who has actually been suicidal. Sure, they can describe what other people have felt and the symptoms of depression and such, but the most they can do is sympathize rather than truly empathize, and they run the risk of providing advice or a position that is unhelpful or even harmful.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. And here's why. So social scientists studying systemic discrimination can only be black or their education counts for nothing? People working towards LGBT rights can only be LGBT? The idea you're proposing would further widen the gaps between minorities and the priveleged majority, not mend them. You'd be segregating people, which is prejudiced as shit. Oh, by the way, I'm a member of a minority. I'm Indian by background and I grew up in the Middle East. That tends to set people against you in this wonderful day and age, but the only people whose opinions matter are the ones with more than two brain cells to rub together. And where those people come from is not predetermined by their cultural background, gender identity or sexual orientation.

[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47354250]so we should not care at all about the humanities? not discuss the atrocities committed by humanity and try not to repeat them?[/QUOTE] Sure, do it in highschool though. I'm not learning about atrocities in college; I have to take a basic american history class and a social science elective and I'm done, both things I've learned in highschool. Humanities are for highschool; forcing me to retake classes i've already take as part of my major is asinine. the humanities department can exist all it wants, but I shouldn't have to pay several thousand dollars a year on something with no bearing on my major. [editline]19th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Moustacheman;47354638]Because fuck history and psychology. We don't need to understand people, just computers and numbers.[/QUOTE] if you wanna study that shit, go ahead. I don't see why STEM majors should have to

I'm studying social work in Canada, proboards, and I can tell you you're full of crap. The idiot SJW element doesn't come from our ranks. All we care about is improving conditions and helping people. The job pays peanuts, but some people here are driven. The idiot SJW element comes from tight-knit communities on Tumblr and in other hidden enclaves on the net that circlejerk until they lose touch with reality. Any professional humanities student or professor dismisses it as idiocy - because it is. I don't know if conditions are worse in US colleges and universities, but if so I feel bad for you guys.

dont even bother dude, the guy wrote off a 2000+ year old human activity that constitutes the basis for civil society for a reason that essentially amounts to an internet meme, hopeless

[QUOTE=Kommodore;47355909]dont even bother dude, the guy wrote off a 2000+ year old human activity that constitutes the basis for civil society for a reason that essentially amounts to an internet meme, hopeless[/QUOTE] tbh rosa parks strikes me as a total sjw

[QUOTE=archangel125;47355833]I'm studying social work in Canada, proboards, and I can tell you you're full of crap. The idiot SJW element doesn't come from our ranks. All we care about is improving conditions and helping people. The job pays peanuts, but some people here are driven. The idiot SJW element comes from tight-knit communities on Tumblr and in other hidden enclaves on the net that circlejerk until they lose touch with reality. Any professional humanities student or professor dismisses it as idiocy - because it is. I don't know if conditions are worse in US colleges and universities, but if so I feel bad for you guys.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, our previous student union was rife with SWJs here at Ryerson. Thankfully an organized party ran against them (the biggest reason these idiots kept winning is because nobody ran against them) who seems to be full of far more sensible individuals.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47356185]Unfortunately, our previous student union was rife with SWJs here at Ryerson. Thankfully an organized party ran against them (the biggest reason these idiots kept winning is because nobody ran against them) who seems to be full of far more sensible individuals.[/QUOTE] Good, that sort of movement is like a cancer.

nevermind that most reasonable people would agree that the actions of the group described in the OP were stupid, let's just use this single anomalous and trivial incident as a soapbox to preach about "white guilt" and "reverse racism." you have every right to complain if a black person mistreats you for your racial heritage, but don't pretend like that somehow compares to the problems faced by the black community. when a black person mistreats a white person, they are doing it as an individual, and as an individual they only have so much of an impact on their life; this is doubly true considering that, since blacks are disproportionately underrepresented in leadership positions, any racism a white person encounters from a black person is not likely to affect their lives in any long-term way (with violence being the exception; obviously, if a racist black dude runs you over with his car that's going to fuck with your life pretty bad). by comparison, blacks are not only targeted by individuals, but by the whole of society as well. blacks are disproportionately targeted in arrests, convictions, and incarcerations. blacks are disproportionately impoverished and often times isolated to areas with poor access to quality education. the list goes on. [QUOTE=J!NX;47348293]There is racism against them, but many blacks, at least around here, haven't actually seen that personally, or seen the 1950's and below tier racism that they're talking about (that pretty much depends on where you live though) most people probably haven't seen the insane shit that happened back then, or the holocaust. Many of them who might pull the "Were your people oppressed" haven't actually lived during the holocaust or were born in the 90's. I'm just trying to say it's unfair to pull the race card against whites unless you've actually faced serious hate outside of being called a name once, or haven't lived before MLK. I've simply done nothing about either of those, please don't guilt me.[/QUOTE] just because someone hasn't personally walked up to them, called them a nigger, and then punched them in the face doesn't mean that they aren't the victim of racism we live in a society where blacks are disadvantaged in most facets of living and are targeted by a prison-industrial complex that profits off of taking people's fathers away from their children that doesn't mean that it's your fault, but that was never the argument to begin with. you feeling shitty when someone tells you the simple facts about racial inequality isn't the same as someone telling you to be ashamed of your racial heritage.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;47348298]What I wonder is if they'd let in a hypothetical white person who lived in Japan and kept getting called "American" all the time.[/QUOTE] White people in places in Africa are actually quite heavily discriminated against and subject to violent hate crimes. I wonder if they'd let a white person from say, South Africa, into their little oppression club.

Lol just lol

[QUOTE=_Axel;47349716]But in order for it to have any significance when it comes to ethics, you need racism to have an objective definition. Otherwise everybody could react to anything by saying it's racist and there would be no way to prove that wrong.[/QUOTE] Literally the problem with America today.

Good. Time to show whites where they belong