"Rebel" fucks up and takes pictures of modern Russian equipment in Lugansk, Ukraine.

[asteroidrules]

[QUOTE=sasherz;47029195]Is it just me or are those vehicles really ugly and old looking? They barely look modern at all.[/QUOTE]

As was said before, it's not "modern" so much as it is "modern Russian", a lot of modern Russian hardware is just greebled up Soviet gear, most of it 'modernized' over a decade ago.
Case in point, these Vystrels entered production in 1999 and can likely trace their lineage back to the BTR-40s of the late 1950s.
It's also most likely been in a war for some time now which almost always makes something look aged and worn.

[karimatrix]

Sun shines, Birds fly and Tech arrives.

As for Vadim -

Blyat.

[Pilot1215]

Russia. Teach your soldiers opsec. Also, I agreed with MuffinZerg on something. But honestly he is right about militaries using older stuff.

[Mr. Scorpio]

[QUOTE=karimatrix;47029227]Sun shines, Birds fly and Tech arrives.[/QUOTE]

it's true

I woke up this morning, the sun was shining, some birds were flying, and there was a T-72 on my front lawn. It's just how the world works.

[MattSif]

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;47029274]Russia. Teach your soldiers opsec. Also, I agreed with MuffinZerg on something. But honestly he is right about militaries using older stuff.[/QUOTE]

We're never going to replace the B-52, probably not within our lifetimes. If you got something that works in it's specified role that's amazing. We've re-used WW2 era equipment a lot, we had M3 Grease Guns in Iraq with some of our National Guard troops. (though they were the 9mm variant which is trash)

[Tetsmega]

The internet literally got him killed.

[Itsjustguy]

[QUOTE=karimatrix;47029227]Sun shines, Birds fly and Tech arrives.

As for Vadim -

Blyat.[/QUOTE]

Essentially this
[video=youtube;aYaRRprhnVo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYaRRprhnVo[/video]

[Funktastic Dog]

I'm genuinely wondering what Russian facepunch users think about all of this. Are all you guys just completely neutral about it?

[zukriuchen]

question for the people who are better informed on the issue than me: is this going to have any significant impact on, well, anything?

[karimatrix]

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;47029315]Essentially this
[video=youtube;aYaRRprhnVo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYaRRprhnVo[/video][/QUOTE]

[I]Ok Vadim, this is going two ways possible, you either gonna hit your head on your own, or Boris will hit you. Begin, nahui!
-Ai Blyat![/I]

[Sableye]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47029347]question for the people who are better informed on the issue than me: is this going to have any significant impact on, well, anything?[/QUOTE]

No

[1/4 Life]

Too much wodka

[karimatrix]

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;47029344]I'm genuinely wondering what Russian facepunch users think about all of this. Are all you guys just completely neutral about it?[/QUOTE]

If you really qurious i can send ya pm to ensure i am not derailing a discussion.

And on "they look modern" or not - i think there is some charm to those machines in my opinion.
As for efficiency - yeah, why fix what is not broken?

[Mr. Someguy]

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47029223]As was said before, it's not "modern" so much as it is "modern Russian", a lot of modern Russian hardware is just greebled up Soviet gear, most of it 'modernized' over a decade ago.[/QUOTE]
You might be surprised to know that a lot of modern equipment is just the same. It's not like WW2 where we pump out a new design every 4 years, what we have is here to stay. The M1 Abrams is from the 80's, the Cobra helicopter is from the 70's, and for our oldest design, the M2 Heavy Machine Gun has been in service since before World War II. Russia is also working on a new tank design, while on the other hand the M1A3 Abrams is also being developed. On the other hand, both countries use modernised versions of rifles developed decades ago as their service weapons, the AK-74M and M4A1.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47029223]Case in point, these Vystrels entered production in 1999 and can likely trace their lineage back to the BTR-40s of the late 1950s.[/QUOTE]
1999 isn't old at all for military vehicles, what matters is how well the design actually is + how good the technology is. Generally more recent is better, but for something like a light armoured car it doesn't need a lot, they're generally designed to simply drive places and stop bullets. In fact the Vystrel is probably better off than our HMMVW's, which are not only older, but were [I]not[/I] designed for combat.

[Grenadiac]

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47028721]Um guys.

This is one from a parade in Russia

And this is the one from Lugansk. They have the same fucking camo paint, minus some chipping here and there on the Lugansk picture.

Seriously, how fucking dumb...[/QUOTE]

Unless all camouflage is identical on every Vystrel - which shouldn't be the case - are those actually the same truck?

[ProtoMob]

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;47029347]question for the people who are better informed on the issue than me: is this going to have any significant impact on, well, anything?[/QUOTE]
Not really, no.

If asked, Putin is just going to spin more shit about this equipment and why is it in Ukraine. The Russian soldiers are just rebels who got Russian uniforms from the local bargain bin. The tanks/armored cars and other equipment also came from the same bin.

[purvisdavid1]

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47029445]Unless all camouflage is identical on every Vystrel - which shouldn't be the case - are those actually the same truck?[/QUOTE]

I want to say yes but it's indecisive.

I actually tried to look for a BPM-97 with 300 on the side to just be like "OH COME ON" but I can't. It's still shockingly close.

[Grenadiac]

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47029464]I want to say yes but it's indecisive.[/QUOTE]

It seems like there's not been a lot of these things made and they're only used by MVD. I'm seeing a few different pictures of this same camo pattern but with so few produced (Wikipedia says +/- 150) even those might be the same truck. Very interesting, in any case.

[Sableye]

Well if these morons blowing up a plane with Russian SAMs didn't do anything, an idiot posting pics of russian hardware they shouldn't have isn't going to do anything either

Besides this isn't news for either side, we have known about and probably tracked arms deliveries to the rebels

[asteroidrules]

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47029425]You might be surprised to know that a lot of modern equipment is just the same. It's not like WW2 where we pump out a new design every 4 years, what we have is here to stay. The M1 Abrams is from the 80's, the Cobra helicopter is from the 70's, and for our oldest design, the M2 Heavy Machine Gun has been in service since before World War II. Russia is also working on a new tank design, while on the other hand the M1A3 Abrams is also being developed. On the other hand, both countries use modernised versions of rifles developed decades ago as their service weapons, the AK-74M and M4A1.

1999 isn't old at all for military vehicles, what matters is how well the design actually is + how good the technology is. Generally more recent is better, but for something like a light armoured car it doesn't need a lot, they're generally designed to simply drive places and stop bullets. In fact the Vystrel is probably better off than our HMMVW's, which are not only older, but were [I]not[/I] designed for combat.[/QUOTE]

I didn't mean to imply that it didn't necessarily serve the purpose it's made to serve, just that it doesn't look shiny and new because well, it's not.

[Fish Muffin]

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47028721]Um guys.

This is one from a parade in Russia
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/BPM-97.jpg[/img]

[img]http://lugansk-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Vystrel8.jpg[/img]

And this is the one from Lugansk. They have the same fucking camo paint, minus some chipping here and there on the Lugansk picture.

Seriously, how fucking dumb...[/QUOTE]

these things can have common paint schemes done by the factory

[img]http://photohost.aisiforce.org/st126/00180_1262532752_io9e6.jpg[/img]

or compare these two: almost the same, but not quite
[img]http://sklep.gpm.pl/pub/thumbs/62d/-produkty-277435-kamaz-foto1-jpg-1900-1200.jpg[/img]

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Russian_BPM-97.jpg[/img]

if you compare the two black lines on either side of the tan blob on the side of the hull, you can see they are not the same

[t]http://lugansk-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Vystrel3.jpg[/t]

[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/BPM-97.jpg[/t]

im not saying that it is not a russian vehicle, just that it is not the exact same as that one used in a parade by russian troops.

[gudman]

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47029445]Unless all camouflage is identical on every Vystrel - which shouldn't be the case - are those actually the same truck?[/QUOTE]

Why it shouldn't be the case? Factory design camouflage, it's applied by machinery, so they're pumped out pretty similar-looking.

[Cornish]

[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;47028181]He is dead.[/QUOTE]

Pretty likely considering vkontakte is government run

reminds me of when the Russians put selfies up with missiles that just happened to be the exact same ones in the same locations where that plane was shot down and the pics were taken down shortly after

[Gufu]

I guess you have to give the Russian government the A for effort - they take down the photographs, and the person who made them.

[Sableye]

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47029545]I didn't mean to imply that it didn't necessarily serve the purpose it's made to serve, just that it doesn't look shiny and new because well, it's not.[/QUOTE]

to be fair, like 3/4ths of the large bodied planes in the USAF are >50 years old, doesn't mean that the c-7 globemaster isn't still good at carrying lots of shit

[Grenadiac]

[QUOTE=gudman;47029779]Why it shouldn't be the case? Factory design camouflage, it's applied by machinery, so they're pumped out pretty similar-looking.[/QUOTE]

I assumed it was done by dipping the body panels or otherwise by spraypainting. I can't seem to recall noticing identical camo schemes on other vehicles but maybe I just never had cause to look.

[karimatrix]

[QUOTE=gufu;47029926]I guess you have to give the Russian government the A for effort - they take down the photographs, and the person who made them.[/QUOTE]

[I]Photos are down! Are you down? Get down![/I]
[B]NOW[/B]

[Gufu]

[QUOTE=karimatrix;47029957][I]Photos are down! Are you down? Get down![/I]
[B]NOW[/B][/QUOTE]

*Sounds of TT Firing*

[Pilot1215]

Something tells me the photographer just got assigned to a post in Siberia...

[Germanator]

[QUOTE=karimatrix;47029418]If you really qurious i can send ya pm to ensure i am not derailing a discussion.

And on "they look modern" or not - i think there is some charm to those machines in my opinion.
As for efficiency - yeah, why fix what is not broken?[/QUOTE]

I am absolutely gobsmacked.
everytime we find shreds of proof Russia is fuckinh Ukraine up you blatantly deny.

Why arent you regurgitating RT now?
Seriously..whats going on in your mind looking at this and the selfies from russian soldiers having their metadata extracted, and all other evidence...