[QUOTE=mugofdoom;39230971]Is that even an argument? You sound like you're trying to convey a message about gun control to a toddler.
"Full auto baaad!"[/QUOTE]
He was trying to sum up his opinion in point form rather than full sentences, your statement was rather unnecessary and insulting.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39231030]He was trying to sum up his opinion in point form rather than full sentences, your statement was rather unnecessary and insulting.[/QUOTE]
Ah I thought he was trying to form some type of argument for some reason. I apologize.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;39230893]Pins in magazines good[/QUOTE]
Heck no, it's pointless. Here in Italy we were limited to 5 or 10 rounds until larger mags were legalized about a year ago (maybe more, don't remember the exact date), now you can mail order 100rd drums if you want, and this hasn't had any impact on crime whatsoever.
a novice (or even amateur) metal worker can make a magazine for any weapon easily.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39230567]I'm Canadian as well, and I adamantly believe that our firearms law is ass-backwards and useless,[/QUOTE]
At least we don't have to deal with the horribly managed registry anymore.
It'd be nice if we redid our firearm laws in a serious manner, but since "good" 'Ol Harper is most likely getting the boot come 2015 I don't expect much in the way of serious reform. Oh well, I got a longbow to hunt with, that should keep me busy.
So I'm confused. Which one of these should be banned? Seriously.
[IMG]http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14/images/index.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39231477]At least we don't have to deal with the horribly managed registry anymore.
It'd be nice if we redid our firearm laws in a serious manner, but since "good" 'Ol Harper is most likely getting the boot come 2015 I don't expect much in the way of serious reform. Oh well, I got a longbow to hunt with, that should keep me busy.[/QUOTE]
He'll do something small every year, then plan something big in 2014, but not give it enough time to pass, and use that to entice gun owners to vote blue again in 2015.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39231580]He'll do something small every year, then plan something big in 2014, but not give it enough time to pass, and use that to entice gun owners to vote blue again in 2015.[/QUOTE]
Really his only hope is the lack of viable opposition alternative. It looks like the Liberals are going to pick Trudeau, who seems to have inherited the bad ideals along with the good ones from his father, and I would never vote for Mulcair.
I can't imagine what "big" thing he would do to win voters back. Gun laws are a very divisive issue and the majority of gun owners are already voting for him.
Yeah, I was summing up my argument, sorry for rating disagree, I'm using a tablet.
Most shotguns you see in Canada are 2 + 1 although. I agree that semi autos have their place aswell, not only in the army, but as well as protection from coyotes when you are hunting.
A novice metal worker can make a butterfly knife, or switch blade. Both are still ilegal in canada.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
That's the second amendment, and any gun law is passed regulating or taking away guns, isn't that basically infringing upon this amendment?
[QUOTE=Ybbat;39231736]Yeah, I was summing up my argument, sorry for rating disagree, I'm using a tablet.
Most shotguns you see in Canada are 2 + 1 although. I agree that semi autos have their place aswell, not only in the army, but as well as protection from coyotes when you are hunting.
A novice metal worker can make a butterfly knife, or switch blade. Both are still ilegal in canada.[/QUOTE]
Actually, most pump and semi shotguns you see in Canada are 4+1 from the factory, and they come with a cheap plastic insert you put in the mag to pin it to 2+1. I've seen just about every hunting shotgun released in the last year, I work in a gun shop, almost all of them come like this, Browning and Winchester actually put the pin in at the factory, but it's removable to get up to the standard 4+1 capacity that's been the norm since Browning invented the semi shotgun with the Auto-5, named such due to its 5-shot (4+1) capacity.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;39230609]Why would you hunt with a handgun when you can hunt with a rifle?[/QUOTE]
A rifle:
-Weighs more, reducing how active you can be out in the woods
-Has negligible benefits to accuracy for small calibers
-Can't be carried with another rifle easily
Handguns are useful all the fucking time. Carrying a shotgun for bird hunting but still want to be able to peg rabbits? Carry a .22lr or 9mm semi. Don't want to put up with the hassle of carrying a rifle while hiking to Bumfuck Mountain? Use something in a bigger caliber.
It doesn't matter what you think about gun control, but in the United States it is unconstitutional in any form.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;39230609]Coyote are often hunted with 22's around here.
I don't know which black rifles are prohibited but we have 3.
Handguns with short barrels can be used at gun clubs for people who do competition shoots, same with the .25 .32 issue. (IIRC)
Why would you hunt with a handgun when you can hunt with a rifle?[/QUOTE]
desert eagles or magnum-caliber revolvers are both extremely popular for hunting
[QUOTE=Ybbat;39230572][B]Thanks for not understanding the point, the point was the AR15 was clearly made for the military.
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@Trunk just because it's standard, doesn't mean it's not high.
10 is standard for some firearms, which is more realistic.
Don't try and discredit my knowledge of firearms just because I'm not used to the 1200 flavors of M4's AR-15's and such.
The point is still the same. Weapons designed for use by military should be used by the military.
Just because you say the AR15 was used for hunting, doesn't mean it was at first.
A lot of my information comes from articles and TV shows (not movies) about weapons and their advances.[/QUOTE]
Please show me the specific features of the AR-15 that clearly define its purpose for military use.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39224425]we've already talked about this.
"You don't need it" is never sufficient reason to ban anything.[/QUOTE]
You do need to justify why you need it when its only purpose is more killing between reloads
[QUOTE=McGii;39233471]You do need to justify why you need it when its only purpose is more killing between reloads[/QUOTE]
If a pro gun person has to define why the magazine is if use to them you have to define the purpose of the ban of a high capacity magazine and what it does.
It doesn't stop illegal guns or criminals from having lethal weapons that's for fucking sure
[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;39233188]It doesn't matter what you think about gun control, but in the United States it is unconstitutional in any form.[/QUOTE]
The constitution has been reformed before.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution[/URL]
The prohibition one was added after the original then later signed out.
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[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39232030]Actually, most pump and semi shotguns you see in Canada are 4+1 from the factory, and they come with a cheap plastic insert you put in the mag to pin it to 2+1. I've seen just about every hunting shotgun released in the last year, I work in a gun shop, almost all of them come like this, Browning and Winchester actually put the pin in at the factory, but it's removable to get up to the standard 4+1 capacity that's been the norm since Browning invented the semi shotgun with the Auto-5, named such due to its 5-shot (4+1) capacity.[/QUOTE]I worked at a gun club, and all the magazines I seen there only accepted 2 + 1 (without any pin mechanism). However, I believe you could be correct, for newer guns anyway. We live in a town thats mostly hunters, so it would be unussual to see a gun with 4+1.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;39234514]The constitution has been reformed before.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution[/url]
The prohibition one was added after the original then later signed out.[/QUOTE]
And if you think you're going to get the support of enough states to reform the 2nd you're dead wrong, and chances are you never will.
[quote]I worked at a gun club, and all the magazines I seen there only accepted 2 + 1 (without any pin mechanism. However, I believe you could be correct.[/QUOTE]
Sporting guns are different than hunting guns; at no point in a skeet competition, European or American, will you be allowed to use more than 3 shots. If it was a hunting gun, then they likely had the cheap plastic plug in the magazine. If a hunting shotgun's magazine is plugged, it's not blatantly visible that it is, as the plug is a plastic insert that is not visible from the exterior.
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Here's an illustration of what I'm talking about:
[img]http://www.faecdn.com/hex/manual/i/ch2_28_CA.gif[/img]
And here's what the plug looks like:
[img]http://www.firearmsforyou.com/images/product/image.php?s=1&id=26715[/img]
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39234585]And if you think you're going to get the support of enough states to reform the 2nd you're dead wrong, and chances are you never will.
Sporting guns are different than hunting guns; at no point in a skeet competition, European or American, will you be allowed to use more than 3 shots. If it was a hunting gun, then they likely had the cheap plastic plug in the magazine. If a hunting shotgun's magazine is plugged, it's not blatantly visible that it is, as the plug is a plastic insert that is not visible from the exterior.[/QUOTE]
We just came out of a revolution. The understanding of why the second amendment is important is still present in American culture. It would take a little longer for people to forget why it was added in the first place. It seems many people don't understand what weapons mean for liberty.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;39234585]And if you think you're going to get the support of enough states to reform the 2nd you're dead wrong, and chances are you never will.
Sporting guns are different than hunting guns; at no point in a skeet competition, European or American, will you be allowed to use more than 3 shots. If it was a hunting gun, then they likely had the cheap plastic plug in the magazine. If a hunting shotgun's magazine is plugged, it's not blatantly visible that it is, as the plug is a plastic insert that is not visible from the exterior.
[editline]15th January 2013[/editline]
Here's an illustration of what I'm talking about:
[img]http://www.faecdn.com/hex/manual/i/ch2_28_CA.gif[/img]
And here's what the plug looks like:
[img]http://www.firearmsforyou.com/images/product/image.php?s=1&id=26715[/img][/QUOTE]
Well, shit. I swear the magazine extended less further then that. But yeah, that looks like it could hold another round in that magazine. (But not 2 more.)
I stand corrected.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;39234779]Well, shit. I swear the magazine extended less further then that. But yeah, that looks like it could hold another round in that magazine. (But not 2 more.)
I stand corrected.[/QUOTE]
Part of that is probably visuals, the barrel length is something like 26"-28", it makes the mag tube look smaller in comparison, especially in a semi-auto.
For example, this Browning Auto-5 doesn't look like it has that big of a mag:
[img]http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/7633/9302228_1.jpg?v=8CC89937CF49980[/img]
But that gun holds 4+1 rounds. However, if it had a shorter barrel, like this one (Note, these are both the same kind of gun):
[img]http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/shotgun/sh41/browning_a5_l32a1.jpg[/img]
Then it looks like it has a much larger magazine, due to the perspective given by the barrel's length.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;39234779]Well, shit. I swear the magazine extended less further then that. But yeah, that looks like it could hold another round in that magazine. (But not 2 more.)
I stand corrected.[/QUOTE]
I bought a shotgun once that had been a hunting shotgun. Took off the mag cap and there was a bunch of sticks jammed in there to limit it to 2 rounds. :v:
[QUOTE=Ridge;39234953]I bought a shotgun once that had been a hunting shotgun. Took off the mag cap and there was a bunch of sticks jammed in there to limit it to 2 rounds. :v:[/QUOTE]
People do that up here if the game wardens are in the area and they forgot to pin the mag earlier. I've also heard the game wardens make people do that if they catch them with unpinned guns out in the woods, and then still give them the hefty fine that goes with not having a pinned magazine.
[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;39233188]It doesn't matter what you think about gun control, but in the United States it is unconstitutional in any form.[/QUOTE]
Nope. Strict scrutiny is a thing, look it up.
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