Daesh Militants caught on video destroying priceless Assyrian artefacts at Mosul museum with sledgeh - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;47218691]In the end it's a form of control. If you destroy the past and remove all traces of it then you can say how the past was more easily.[/QUOTE] They particularly mean to supress any form of culture and history the people of the land might cling to, thus giving future generations no other identity to rally to other than Islamic.

There are ways of understanding what's going on here. In a lot of political movements that bank on utopian ideology, like ISIS, they want to create a cult of antiquity. This has been true everywhere, from the Khmer Rouge to Italian Fascism, etc. In their case there are two competing antiquites--the caliphate and and the pre-Islamic one. Although I'm not sure it was really the case in Iraq, a lot of these former mandate states have mixed associations with their pre-Islamic past because they were frequently co-opted by colonial mandate governments that were more or less puppetted by the league of nations. This was the case in Iran (not a mandate), Lebanon and Egypt, at a minimum, and a case could be made from a modern Arab's point of view that the West cares more about an abstract pre-Islamic antiquity than a living contemporary Islamic counterpart. So those are possibly some motives. It makes sense in the context of their utopian program. If something that has survived 3000 years of human activity only to be suddenly destroyed you have to assume that it's because of a calculated action and not just because of random lapse into destruction. In one way or another, I wouldn't be surprised if Assyrian art was something used symbolically in Saddam's school curriculum for nation-building purposes and had become a byword for a version of Iraq a lot of these people no longer want. It may also be that they never saw the value of these objects in the first place--plenty of Westerners have no sense of historical value whatsoever either-- because school has probably been fairly disrupted in Iraq since the early 2000s. these are just educated guesses, but some of you guys have got to look deeper than "fucking savages"

[QUOTE=woolio1;47217970]Killing infidels isn't in the Qu'ran. It's in the Hadith, which is the Islamic equivalent of the Jewish Oral Torah. Basically, it's Caliphical interpretation of the Qu'ran. [/QUOTE] From what I learned in a while class dedicated to Islam, the Hadith are actually the supposed sayings and actions of Muhammad himself. There's a whole process that was done to try and ensure every Hadith actually came from the prophet. The Caliphical interpretations are more along the lines of the Ijtihad. Either way these ISIS boys are following a super jaded version of Islam based on Wahhabi's interpretation.

Instead of selling them, they destroyed them. Great thinking there.

[QUOTE=Spectre1406;47221038]Instead of selling them, they destroyed them. Great thinking there.[/QUOTE] I understand they are already in the business of looting archaeological sites and selling the stuff they find. They've got all bases covered basically

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;47221292]I understand they are already in the business of looting archaeological sites and selling the stuff they find. They've got all bases covered basically[/QUOTE] Odds are the things they sale aren't religious artifacts. I read in one news article that a lot were ancient pottery.

As a historian hearing about acts like this hurts my soul. Luckily these are just replicas, the originals have been taken to Baghdad for safe-keeping.

Anyone else hoping there's an outtake video showing these sandaled idiots crushing their feet while wildly swinging sledgehammers? Gotta be a silver lining somewhere.

This makes me so sad and angry, 2700 year old atrifacts destroyed by brainless monkeys with guns because '' god wants it'' goddammit

why are you calling them daesh theres literally nothing in the video or article calling them that cut it out

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;47223862]why are you calling them daesh theres literally nothing in the video or article calling them that cut it out[/QUOTE] ISIS changed their name again or some shit.

And this is why I have no problem with stuff taken from the Empire days being kept in London

ISIS made a statement saying theyd cut the tongue out of anyone who called them Daesh. So now everyone and their mothers is saying it but a lot of media still uses ISIS/ISIL. Anyway, i hear that the weather is just right for saturation bombing this time of year.

People call them Daesh now because they threatened to cut the tongues of anyone who dared naming them like this. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] So that's why we should proceed calling them Daesh just to provoke them.

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47223872]ISIS changed their name again or some shit.[/QUOTE] nah it's still ISIS or ISIL or IS People choose to say DAESH to sound too extreme like "haha they said they'd cut peoples tongues off if they said this, so i gotta show them who's boss" most agencies (news and governments) are now calling them DAESH because calling them the [B]Islamic [/B]State is horribly wrong since ISIS is hardly Islamic It's just their coat of paint

How about someone knocks their asshole faces off with a sledgehammer. At least the Assyrians were way more civilized

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47224178]nah it's still ISIS or ISIL or IS People choose to say DAESH to sound too extreme like "haha they said they'd cut peoples tongues off if they said this, so i gotta show them who's boss" most agencies (news and governments) are now calling them DAESH because calling them the [B]Islamic [/B]State is horribly wrong since ISIS is hardly Islamic It's just their coat of paint[/QUOTE] Well yes, and if we want to stop it from being viewed as an actual 'Islamic State' is to stop calling it by its name, the ISLAMIC STATE. Daesh is going to help destroy their credibility. This is a nice article why it shouldn't be called that. [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-call-it-the-unislamic-state-say-muslim-groups-as-another-hostage-is-murdered-9731823.html[/url]

This is pretty silly. Their name is the Islamic State because that is what they call themselves. There isn't some "truer" name. If you want to call them something else out of juvenile spite, why not call them the "Stupid Buttlickers"? It's just some insult that you're coming up with. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] As for the actual article, I've seen multiple people say that these were just replicas and that the originals were moved to Baghdad. Where is the source for this? The article doesn't mention this.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47224723]This is pretty silly. Their name is the Islamic State because that is what they call themselves. There isn't some "truer" name. If you want to call them something else out of juvenile spite, why not call them the "Stupid Buttlickers"? It's just some insult that you're coming up with.[/QUOTE] time to update the cloud-to-butt script for the greater good

Isn't Iconoclasm extremely illegal?

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;47229060]Isn't Iconoclasm extremely illegal?[/QUOTE] Gee, so are mass beheadings, rape, torture and executions in general.

Uncultured savages...

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;47229060]Isn't Iconoclasm extremely illegal?[/QUOTE] Do you really think Iconoclasm is gonna be a major point of persecution if these fuckers get brought to court? They've done a LOT worse shit, this barely comes close.

This region probably won't become stable without more foreign incursion. Not necessarily "boots on the ground" infantry invasion, but more support for moderate powers in the area.

It's the Library of Alexandria all over again... Jesus fuck, hatred +1000 [editline]28th February 2015[/editline] That was extremely painful to watch...

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;47223862]why are you calling them daesh theres literally nothing in the video or article calling them that cut it out[/QUOTE] I dunno who started it but ISIS got really butthurt over the name and said they're going to cut the tongue or whatever of whoever calls them like that. So everyone is now calling them DAESH

Look, that's all just [I]stuff[/I] and it doesn't really compare to the value of people's lives. But, it's still sad and pointless.