• Woman kills self while on Facebook
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[QUOTE=archangel125;35317876]A person who is dead does not arbitrarily deserve respect if they were undeserving of it in life. The woman was a leech who thrived off making her friends feel sorry for her and fear for her well-being. If one has to commit suicide, do it quietly, make it clean, and leave a message to attempt to bring some comfort to friends. What she did instead made it clear that she WANTED her friends and those who cared about her to feel absolutely miserable, wanted them to be left emotionally scarred, from having to sit and watch her die in helpless fear.[/QUOTE] how can you say that and not understand that this is a CLEAR cry for help. you say people urged her to seek help, what does that do? people in this situations need an intervention, a direct implementation of change. and i'm not blaming anyone for not taking action because i'm sure within the situation things were different, but your incredibly generalizing attitude is absolutely toxic for teenagers who ACTUALLY have problems, you seem to undermine the entire suicide issue based solely on your experience.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318150]When you're in the position of a friend or loved one of that individual who has left you an emotional wreck through their constant attention-whoring, you see things very, very differently. It's clear you've never been there. Count yourself lucky.[/QUOTE] How foolish of you to think I haven't had people tell me they want to commit suicide and how they're going to be 6 feet under in x amount of days. That doesn't affect me at all, right? Consider yourself ignorant.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318150]When you're in the position of a friend or loved one of that individual who has left you an emotional wreck through their constant attention-whoring, you see things very, very differently. It's clear you've never been there. Count yourself lucky.[/QUOTE] you're not the victim here. she was so emotionally wrecked that she [I]ended her own life[/I], how about you recognize the actual victim because by all means you aren't the one who suffered the most. you're so fucking ignorant
[QUOTE=Trogdon;35318155]how can you say that and not understand that this is a CLEAR cry for help. you say people urged her to seek help, what does that do? people in this situations need an intervention, a direct implementation of change. and i'm not blaming anyone for not taking action because i'm sure within the situation things were different, but your incredibly generalizing attitude is absolutely toxic for teenagers who ACTUALLY have problems, you seem to undermine the entire suicide issue based solely on your experience.[/QUOTE] As I've said before, I've been suicidal myself. Then I grew up. Or woke up, rather. It's cowardly, it's cruel to those left behind, and it's only acceptable in situations where there's nothing at all left to lose and no hope at all of recovery - Like a terminal disease or a serious crippling injury. You can take an ass to water but can't make it drink, and if someone's decides to die, they can goddamn well die with dignity. She didn't. The woman in the article didn't. And I assure you, the period of mourning will be short. If you're suicidal and determined to die no matter how much people try to help you, you don't make them feel like your death was their fault, their failure. That's unforgivable, and I'll never relent in my condemnation of it.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318211]As I've said before, I've been suicidal myself. Then I grew up. Or woke up, rather. It's cowardly, it's cruel to those left behind, and it's only acceptable in situations where there's nothing at all left to lose and no hope at all of recovery - Like a terminal disease or a serious crippling injury.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because everyone's stability and level of mental disorder is just like yours! It's cruel to tell people to get over it and that it is just tough shit. The majority of people don't just get over major depression, especially with co-morbidity. They're living in hell. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] Read this: [url]http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller[/url]
People should actually read Arch's posts before replying to him like idiots and understand why he did it I agree with him, someone that's trying to completely bring attention to themselves like that so everyone pitys them but refuses to get help when everyone tries need to cut the shit. They need help, clearly, but if they constantly refuse to be treated and cannot be treated, and try and force everyone to give attention to them and cry over their lives which aren't THAT bad? what the fuck are you going to do with them? Cry all day and give in? They need help but [I]you cannot give help because they don't want help and don't think they need it[/I].
[QUOTE=Tippmann357;35318252]Yeah, because everyone's stability and level of mental disorder is just like yours! It's cruel to tell people to get over it and that it is just tough shit. The majority of people don't just get over major depression, especially with co-morbidity. They're living in hell. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] Read this: [url]http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller[/url][/QUOTE] I suffer from chronic depression. Your move.
not to mention depression is a [i] medical condition [/i] that needs a combination of therapy and anti-depressant medication to overcome. you dont grow out of depression - and if untreated - suicidal thoughts. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] ye bullshit [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] " all these suicidal people are pathetic, i was with someone who commited suicide and i was suicidal oh and i am also chronically depressed but theyre all pathetic good riddance"
[QUOTE=Broguts;35317987]Stubbed my toe, BETTER COMMIT SEPPUKU![/QUOTE] Don't you mean Sudoku???
[QUOTE=Dachande;35318282]not to mention depression is a [i] medical condition [/i] that needs a combination of therapy and anti-depressant medication to overcome. you dont grow out of depression - and if untreated - suicidal thoughts. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] ye bullshit[/QUOTE] yeah except what if the person doesn't want help and clearly needs it? [QUOTE=archangel125;35316364]I tried. Every day, I tried. She completely refused. I even talked to her folks about it a couple of times, and they didn't give a damn.[/QUOTE] EDIT: [quote]" all these suicidal people are pathetic, i was with someone who commited suicide and i was suicidal oh and i am also chronically depressed but theyre all pathetic good riddance"[/quote] wow you are dumb
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[QUOTE=J!NX;35318300]yeah except what if the person doesn't want help and clearly needs it?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Trogdon;35318155]you say people urged her to seek help, what does that do? people in this situations need an intervention, a direct implementation of change. and i'm not blaming anyone for not taking action because i'm sure within the situation things were different[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dachande;35318317].[/QUOTE] I'd assume he would have tried that?
[QUOTE=Dachande;35318282] " all these suicidal people are pathetic, i was with someone who commited suicide and i was suicidal oh and i am also chronically depressed but theyre all pathetic good riddance"[/QUOTE] Aren't you too young to be on the internet? Do your parents know? [editline]asdfasg[/editline] Because you're certainly not acting anything like a person over ten.
Brb i go die. 164 people like this an reason why i dont have facebook
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318325] Because you're certainly not acting anything like a person over ten.[/QUOTE] you unironcally agreed with a post which basically stated that victims of suicide are examples of "natural selection in action." I think you forfeited all rights to call other people childish [editline]1[/editline] which is to say that you have little to no grasp of psychology
[QUOTE=Sanius;35318430]you unironcally agreed with a post which basically stated that victims of suicide are examples of "natural selection in action." I think you forfeited all rights to call other people childish[/QUOTE] I have a special disdain for victims of suicide who attempt to harm others in the act.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318281]I suffer from chronic depression. Your move.[/QUOTE] from someone with "chronic depression" you are extremely unsympathetic towards others. it might have been easy for you to get out of suicidal thoughts, but it isn't for everybody else.
I hope that I would never be pleased about anyone's suicide.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318460]I have a special disdain for victims of suicide who attempt to harm others in the act.[/QUOTE] that's nice, but is certainly not a justification for your childish and arrogant behavior
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318460]I have a special disdain for victims of suicide who attempt to harm others in the act.[/QUOTE] this is attention seeking behavior. they aren't being malicious in it. their harming other people is a side affect from them trying to seek out help in the only way that they know how. they are not thinking rationally, or this way that you believe they are thinking.
Trogdon, you're making it look like I've got a problem with all suicide victims. I don't. I just think those who commit suicide like the one described in the article are scum, and people are better off without them. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] Did just seriously just change your post?
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318496]Trogdon, you're making it look like I've got a problem with all suicide victims. I don't. I just think those who commit suicide like the one described in the article are scum, and people are better off without them.[/QUOTE] If someone is willing to kill themselves, they most likely have something wrong with them. You seem to distinguish suicide in itself as a rational act.
I've been suicidal before, now I take medicine for it (Curse you depression!) But seriously, if you kill yourself for attention, fuck you, you have emotionally scarred all the people that have loved you. Even if you aren't doing it for attention, if you don't seek help, or if you don't accept help, how can one help you? I saw help for my depression because I hated what it was doing to me and others around me, and now everything is fine. Then again, depression can make someone shut down, guess it's different for everyone Why are people rating me dumb? It's the truth!
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318325]Aren't you too young to be on the internet? Do your parents know? [editline]asdfasg[/editline] Because you're certainly not acting anything like a person over ten.[/QUOTE] double-standard schmuck calling people "childish" isn't going to elevate you anywhere in your argument, especally in this case
[QUOTE=erazor;35318516]If someone is willing to kill themselves, they most likely have something wrong with them. You seem to distinguish suicide in itself as a rational act.[/QUOTE] people who are suicidal can't simply ~act like a man and suck it up~ like archangel thinks. you can't just get over brain damage or a chemical imbalance
[QUOTE=Ownederd;35318520]double-standard schmuck calling people "childish" isn't going to elevate you anywhere in your argument, especally in this case[/QUOTE] As a rule, mocking your opponent in a debate is a clear sign that you've lost.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318496]Trogdon, you're making it look like I've got a problem with all suicide victims. I don't. I just think those who commit suicide like the one described in the article are scum, and people are better off without them. [editline]27th March 2012[/editline] Did just seriously just change your post?[/QUOTE] well clearly you have a problem with all suicide victims, because you seem to be able to discern why they killed themselves from a short article and understand all the aspects around it and be able to formulate a proper opinion on the matter.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35318528]people who are suicidal can't simply ~act like a man and suck it up~ like archangel thinks. you can't just get over brain damage or a chemical imbalance[/QUOTE] My depression was/is a chemical imbalance and there's not-so-expensive prescriptions to regulate chemicals
[QUOTE=Sanius;35318528]people who are suicidal can't simply ~act like a man and suck it up~ like archangel thinks. you can't just get over brain damage or a chemical imbalance[/QUOTE] I don't recall ever saying anything of the sort. You need to read my posts more carefully before making assumptions about the way I think.
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