[QUOTE=ayaki;35319183]I can't believe you so flippantly condemned her in a such a vitriolic way, without even trying to first educate yourself. That is disgusting.[/QUOTE]
At the time I was sixteen years old, played her game the way she wanted it the entire time, did my best to reason with her and help her, but it didn't work. I didn't condemn her then.
[QUOTE=J!NX;35319185]what the hell are you going to do? constantly try and care for them when they constantly refuse help?[/QUOTE]
urging help is not the same thing as intervention. in the anecdote he provided did you notice that direct action was never taken? the police were called, and they obviously wrote her off in the same way. i do not see one part of the story where anyone believed something to be wrong with her actually, and treating her like someone who actually had the potential to kill themselves. they just assumed she did it for attention and would never actually kill herself, so i'm doubting that any real action was taken (such as getting her to see a psychologist, or trying to get her medical treatment).
if she was taken directly to see a psychologist, then i do apologize.
[QUOTE=J!NX;35319185]what the hell are you going to do? constantly try and care for them when they constantly refuse help?[/QUOTE]
Like I said before some of these people try to sustain their will to live through the pity of others. The most tragic part about this is usually people stop caring or stop taking it seriously, and to the suicidal person this is the point were they truly believe that nobody cares about them. When someone has lost all will to live suicide is inevitable.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35319223]At the time I was sixteen years old, played her game the way she wanted it the entire time, did my best to reason with her and help her, but it didn't work. I didn't condemn her then.[/QUOTE]
I am sorry to hear that man, truly I am.
Fact remains though, you're doing it now and having that playing around in your mind isn't doing you any good at all.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35319223]At the time I was sixteen years old, played her game the way she wanted it the entire time, did my best to reason with her and help her, but it didn't work. I didn't condemn her then.[/QUOTE]
and for this i am really sorry. you did your best man, and don't ever beat yourself up over what happened. but please don't be bitter about it. i just want you to understand that the cause was out of your control, and i don't believe she wanted to hurt you directly.
[QUOTE=Dominicus;35318793]It baffles me that people can become this twisted. What, at what point in their lives, went wrong in order for this to manifest in someone's mind.[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised how cruel you, yourself, and others like you can be at times and not even recognize it. And you say we're the ones that are sick. I mean, if you actually cared enough to remember seeing these things (I know damn well that you have,) then you might remember them, and therefore KNOW how people can become this twisted. But no, it's a lot easier to sweep these observations under the rug, if you will.
What's even more fucked up is that even upon presentation of the wrong you have done, you can't seem to recall it. But we'll always remember it until the day we die, friend.
Archangel has got a point.
I know a girl who is quite like this, not well, I haven't really seen her in about 2 years now.
She was quite like this, seeking attention when she was down and making her close friends care about her.
She then checked herself in on a mental hospital and was crying how she had no freedom and how life was not fair and how she should have ended her life.
I didn't really care because she was a bitch to me anyway but it hit her close friends quite hard and whenever she's feeling down she gets tonnes of sympathy thrown her way.
This has been going on for about a year (on facebook) and I can't even think why people stay friends with these people.
Everything that happens to her, when she's feeling depressed or when she gets locked inside the mental hospital is posted on facebook by her. I wouldn't really feel sad if she did decide to end herself, I do bet that her friends would be about as devastated as Archangel was when his friend suicided. I also think they would be over it rather quickly.
But since I'm not her closest friend I probably don't really have a saying in these kinds of situations.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35318827]
Look, Sanius. You occasionally make good posts, but have you ever experienced or read up on depression? You don't seem to understand how it works.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=archangel125;35319135]Perhaps I lack knowledge of how different degrees of depression could have different symptoms. To the best of my understanding, the main differences were simply a difference in the severity of the feeling. Aren't depression and suicidal urges two different conditions that are often found hand in hand? I've known people who are manic depressive, but not at all suicidal.[/QUOTE]
Well, then.
Apparently the institution hasn't helped your friend much either.
[QUOTE=IQ-Guldfisk;35319333]Archangel has got a point.
I know a girl who is quite like this, not well, I haven't really seen her in about 2 years now.
She was quite like this, seeking attention when she was down and making her close friends care about her.
She then checked herself in on a mental hospital and was crying how she had no freedom and how life was not fair and how she should have ended her life.
I didn't really care because she was a bitch to me anyway but it hit her close friends quite hard and whenever she's feeling down she gets tonnes of sympathy thrown her way.
This has been going on for about a year (on facebook) and I can't even think why people stay friends with these people.
Everything that happens to her, when she's feeling depressed or when she gets locked inside the mental hospital is posted on facebook by her. I wouldn't really feel sad if she did decide to end herself, I do bet that her friends would be about as devastated as Archangel was when his friend suicided. I also think they would be over it rather quickly.
But since I'm not her closest friend I probably don't really have a saying in these kinds of situations.[/QUOTE]You really find it odd that someone who is lacking in their will to live would try to be reassured by others?
[QUOTE=darth-veger;35316555]I miss the other times were when you had a problem, in lets say, a relationship and you would actually take up the time and fix it on your own
Today its more like lolnope better kill myself[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of this:
[IMG]http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/old-couple-65-years-marrige-if-something-was-broken-we-would-fix-it.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;35319386]You really find it odd that someone who is lacking in their will to live would try to be reassured by others?[/QUOTE]
Does not wanting to live anymore imply that the person doesn't know that it is not neurotypical or, depending on who you talk to, correct to think this?
Some people desperately want to be neurotypical. Sometimes, so much that it even kills them. I'd rather be who I am. You'd probably say something along the lines of [I]what[/I] I am, but hey. It's all relative.
[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;35319315]You'd be surprised how cruel you, yourself, and others like you can be at times and not even recognize it. And you say we're the ones that are sick. I mean, if you actually cared enough to remember seeing these things (I know damn well that you have,) then you might remember them, and therefore KNOW how people can become this twisted. But no, it's a lot easier to sweep these observations under the rug, if you will.[/QUOTE]
You cannot deny that someone who offs him/herself over something likes this has their wires in a twist. I'm not saying it to make fun of those people, but I think that's the case.
I myself might be a bad example to compare to people who go through these things because of personal experiences in my youth, but I don't get how people can't come up with the willpower to do everything in their power to find another way out.
And if you feel the need to tell me what I'm missing or hwo daft I am, be my guest. I'm seriously wondering what it is.
[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;35319433]Does not wanting to live anymore imply that the person doesn't know that it is not neurotypical or, depending on who you talk to, correct to think this?
Some people desperately want to be neurotypical. Sometimes, so much that it even kills them. I'd rather be who I am, though.[/QUOTE]
Neurotypical being the technical term for 'normal'? Not a word I've heard before.
I'm just gonna leave this here for now.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ZiRT8Nwkk[/media]
Damn, I hadn't seen 2's work in years. Didn't know he still did stuff.
Although this is much less a cyber bullying situation, it still has a good point when he says stuff about people throwing their life away.
[QUOTE=Dominicus;35319457]You cannot deny that someone who offs him/herself over something likes this has their wires in a twist. I'm not saying it to make fun of those people, but I think that's the case.
I myself might be a bad example to compare to people who go through these things because of personal experiences in my youth, but I don't get how people can't come up with the willpower to do everything in their power to find another way out.
And if you feel the need to tell me what I'm missing or hwo daft I am, be my guest. I'm seriously wondering what it is.[/QUOTE]
You'd be surprised how many of these wire crossings are in response to events or chronic experiences. The human species has a way of weeding out what is subconsciously considered to be undesirable by the majority. Historically, it has been race, class, ethnicity, nationality, vagrants....
However, today the target is those that seem to be different on a mental level. The difference being functional or not.
When one is a target of weeding out, sometimes things happen in the mind. Wires get crossed.
[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;35319577]You'd be surprised how many of these wire crossings are in response to events or chronic experiences. The human species has a way of weeding out what is subconsciously considered to be undesirable by the majority. Historically, it has been race, class, ethnicity, nationality, vagrants....
However, today the target is those that seem to be different on a mental level. The difference being functional or not.
When one is a target of weeding out, sometimes things happen in the mind. Wires get crossed.[/QUOTE]
Makes sense when you put it that way.
[QUOTE=Dominicus;35319674]Makes sense when you put it that way.[/QUOTE]
Anything can make sense when you take the time to attempt to understand it from a neutral point of view, which I congratulate you for just doing.
Really, though, there are a couple of treatments I know for most "disorders" that are reactions to one's environment. One is Love, the other is Death. Unfortunately, Death is exponentially easier to obtain than Love is. I think that really says something about who we are as a species.
[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;35319756]Anything can make sense when you take the time to attempt to understand it from a neutral point of view, which I congratulate you for just doing.
Really, though, there are a couple of treatments I know for most "disorders" that are reactions to one's environment. One is Love, the other is Death. Unfortunately, Death is exponentially easier to obtain than Love is. I think that really says something about who we are as a species.[/QUOTE]
There's also withdrawal.
[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;35319756]Anything can make sense when you take the time to attempt to understand it from a neutral point of view, which I congratulate you for just doing.
Really, though, there are a couple of treatments I know for most "disorders" that are reactions to one's environment. One is Love, the other is Death. Unfortunately, Death is exponentially easier to obtain than Love is. I think that really says something about who we are as a species.[/QUOTE]
The latter is kind of what shaped my life from a young age until now. Which in turn makes looking at things from a neutral standpoint rather difficult.
Hence my possible blunt approach regarding these things.
Some girl chatted with my friend, and late one night she started talking about killing herself. She then said that she had "just taken all the pills" or something to that effect, so my friend called 911 for her. Of course, she didn't actually take any pills, and proceeded to get very mad at my friend. Silly girls.
oh hey facepunch you know what i just discovered?
i discovered that 99% of suicides are brought on due to mental disorders whether diagnosed or not.
boy
that sure stopped me from saying something really callous and dumb like: "Attention-whore. I've seen this sort of behavior before, been SUBJECTED to this sort of behavior before, and as much as I hate to say it, good goddamn riddance. People who do such things are the lowest form of scum because they deliberately hurt those close to them in a frenzy of melodramatic self-pity. "
thanks wikipedia
[QUOTE=thisispain;35320703]oh hey facepunch you know what i just discovered?
i discovered that 99% of suicides are brought on due to mental disorders whether diagnosed or not.
boy
that sure stopped me from saying something really callous and dumb like: "Attention-whore. I've seen this sort of behavior before, been SUBJECTED to this sort of behavior before, and as much as I hate to say it, good goddamn riddance. People who do such things are the lowest form of scum because they deliberately hurt those close to them in a frenzy of melodramatic self-pity. "
thanks wikipedia[/QUOTE]
I admit he does sound like a douche and it is obviously out of a mental issue but at some point, if someone kept didn't accepting my help I'd give up
I'm saying this because I don't want to try and act like I'm a white knight super hero that would change my entire life to try and save someone who constantly doesn't seem they can be saved, I'd help them as much as I can until that point. This is really only in regards to extreme mentally ill people. It's simply too much for me is all.
if you think someone has the mental capability to kill themselves just for attention you're kidding yourself, she clearly has underlying problems.
[QUOTE=J!NX;35320770]I admit he does sound like a douche and it is obviously out of a mental issue but at some point, if someone kept didn't accepting my help I'd give up
I'm saying this because I don't want to try and act like I'm a white knight super hero that would change my entire life to try and save someone who constantly doesn't seem they can be saved, I'd help them as much as I can until that point. This is really only in regards to extreme mentally ill people. It's simply too much for me is all.[/QUOTE]
if he thinks someone else was an attention-whore you should think about exactly what kind of help he was trying to give.
people need attention that's part of being human.
[QUOTE=archangel125;35316234]Attention-whore. I've seen this sort of behavior before, been SUBJECTED to this sort of behavior before, and as much as I hate to say it, good goddamn riddance. People who do such things are the lowest form of scum because they deliberately hurt those close to them in a frenzy of melodramatic self-pity.[/QUOTE]
Fuck off. I have had a friend commit suicide and I would give anything to have him back. In no way he is the lowest form of scum for what he did. He had depression before I met him and it got the better of him. He texted people trying to see if anyone cared and when no one responded he did it. I was working and couldnt get service and by the time I did it was to late. Why dont you shut the fuck up next time you have a moronic comment like that. You have no idea what she was going through and was looking for someone somewhere to help her our because she clearly was unable to. IS THAT SO WRONG you piece of shit. If someone is trying to get attention they deserve it if their life it on the line. That woman is now dead and someone could have prevented it and maybe she could have learned how to control her emotions, instead people like you ignore her and let her think that shes just as worthless as she thinks. Again, Fuck you. If I get banned for flamming then whatever, at least it was worth it.
[QUOTE=King of Limbs;35320874]Fuck off. I have had a friend commit suicide and I would give anything to have him back. In no way he is the lowest form of scum for what he did. He had depression before I met him and it got the better of him. He texted people trying to see if anyone cared and when no one responded he did it. I was working and couldnt get service and by the time I did it was to late. Why dont you shut the fuck up next time you have a moronic comment like that. You have no idea what she was going through and was looking for someone somewhere to help her our because she clearly was unable to. IS THAT SO WRONG you piece of shit. If someone is trying to get attention they deserve it if their life it on the line. That woman is now dead and someone could have prevented it and maybe she could have learned how to control her emotions, instead people like you ignore her and let her think that shes just as worthless as she thinks. Again, Fuck you. If I get banned for flamming then whatever, at least it was worth it.[/QUOTE]
Whoa there, we get it
[QUOTE=Impact1986;35319409]Reminds me of this:
[IMG]http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/old-couple-65-years-marrige-if-something-was-broken-we-would-fix-it.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That man looks like a true sir.
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