Vatican declares the Irish gay marriage vote a "defeat for humanity"
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[QUOTE=Dwarden;47822027]ironically I though religion was the true defeat for humanity aka no chance reach stars ...[/QUOTE]
Reaching stars is actually a really bad idea as it will burn the spaceship.
[QUOTE=Senscith;47821093]Marriage to Catholics is a licence to have sex with one person.
Its bad to have sex outside of marriage or for any purpose other than to have babies.
Same sex couples can't have babies through sex, therefore gay marriage to Catholics is bad.
IMO we just need different words for legal marriage and religious marriage.[/QUOTE]
Marriage is a lot of different things to a lot of different people, if you're going to do that you better have a new term for protestants, Muslims, baptists, irreligious, etc. as well otherwise it's just the same plain "equal but separate" discrimination that civil partnerships are.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47821378]no im pretty sure that was god throwing a bigass rock at them[/QUOTE]
accurate historical potrayal of sodom and gomorrah
[video=youtube;bar3GOzDNzg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bar3GOzDNzg[/video]
Get with the times you bunch of fucking bigots.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47822376]I wonder if we'll be like this, some day.
Sitting around complaining about what we perceive as culture changing for the worse.[/QUOTE]
In 50 years, Facepunch will be a forum with old men grumbling about how they had a run-in with a triggergender-hippofox who felt oppressed by our white old men privilege.
[QUOTE=Nikota;47820884]I mean, I can see the Spartans and some Greek city states as eventually their population was surpassed and their advantages became dwarfed, but like Rome?[/QUOTE]
Um, homosexuality was a large part of what made Sparta so strong, why they had such great soldiers.
In a phalanx, half of your shield covers you, half covers the guy to your left. So keeping a phalanx together is extremely important because if purple turn and run then it's exposing other people in the phalanx. Keeping a phalanx together was extremely important and in order to keep people from running greeks would place people who were closely related next to each other. If there's some guy next to you that you've never seen or met before, it's not gonna be a big deal to you to run away. What Sparta did is they institutionalized homosexuality among their soldiers. This created very strong bonds between the hoplites that would help keep the phalanx from breaking apart. That's a big reason why Sparta had the best hoplites.
This wasn't just some odd coincidence because later (I forget dates sorry) Thebes created a 300 strong group of elite soldiers called the Theban Sacred Band who were all homosexual.
Homosexuality made Sparta stronger. What weakened them was 1) they couldn't grow their population very much by throwing non-perfect babies off a cliff, and 2) they were highly mistrustful and suspicious of the outside world and the other city-states.
The Greeks never grew very large because they wouldn't unite and were fighting each other quite often. And then Alexander the Great came through and smashed them up.
[QUOTE=thisispain;47820893]If gay marriage really did cause the defeat of humanity then I'd be even more supportive of it. Humanity's been ruining shit for us for way too long.[/QUOTE]
It'll be a nice clean start, When the gay plague hits us all save for some hardcore religious zealots (Who will repopulate the planet) humanity will have a nice clean slate.
[QUOTE=thisispain;47820893]If gay marriage really did cause the defeat of humanity then I'd be even more supportive of it. Humanity's been ruining shit for us for way too long.[/QUOTE]
We feared it would be The Bomb, a nuclear apocalypse reducing the Earth to radioactive ash.
We feared it would be a meteor or asteroid, striking us down with a force to split the Earth in two.
We feared it would be a plague, consuming humanity from the inside-out.
In the end, however, it was worse than we could've possibly feared.
The end came about when Ireland came forth and said "Aye, now a dude can marry another dude!"
Vatican is irrelevant. No one cares what they think really. It's cute they think they're important.
It's ironic because people say that religion destroyed humanity, and here you have someone shoulder-deep in religion saying "gays are going to destroy humanity".
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47823993]Vatican is irrelevant. No one cares what they think really. It's cute they think they're important.[/QUOTE]
17% of the world population is Catholic. It's cute that you think they're not important.
[QUOTE=Dwarden;47822027]ironically I though religion was the true defeat for humanity aka no chance reach stars ...[/QUOTE]
In fourteen-hundred and ninety-two
Columbus sailed the ocean blue
He had three ships and he sailed from Spain - those ships were the [I]Niña[/I], the [I]Pinta[/I] and the [I]método científico[/I].
[QUOTE=Maegord;47822274]No, we don't.
Marriage as a concept has existed for thousands of years longer than Christianity, or any other traditional religion. No religion owns marriage, and thus has no say in what it can be.[/QUOTE]
That's a bold statement considering that several concepts about marriage that the christians hold come from the hebrew and you can pretty much date them from 2.000 BC, where they formed from tribes of the mesopotamia, which is pretty much the cradle of civilization, you can be sure as fuck that their concept of marriage is old as shit.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47824423]That's a bold statement considering that several concepts about marriage that the christians hold come from the hebrew and you can pretty much date them from 2.000 BC, where they formed from tribes of the mesopotamia, which is pretty much the cradle of civilization, you can be sure as fuck that their concept of marriage is old as shit.[/QUOTE]
So you agree with his point that "marriage as a concept has existed for thousands of years longer than Christianity" and that "no religion owns marriage, and thus has no say in what it can be."
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;47820875]According to granddad homosexuality caused the fall of the Roman Empire and not a complex myriad of political, social, economic and military factors.[/QUOTE]
I think he might have based that on the fall of Sparta, in which it's actually debatable that homosexuality player a role. Ireland isn't a war focused city state, so I don't see how it's relevant.
[QUOTE=lazyguy;47824317]In fourteen-hundred and ninety-two
Columbus sailed the ocean blue
He had three ships and he sailed from Spain - those ships were the [I]Niña[/I], the [I]Pinta[/I] and the [I]método científico[/I].[/QUOTE]
centuries before him Vikings did the same ... aka religion unrelated
[QUOTE=draugur;47820818]Didn't the pope say that gays were fine though?[/QUOTE]
The pope doesn't condone homosexuality, and supports keeping gay marriage illegal. However, he has time and time again, effectively reiterated the idea that "he who is without sin may cast the first stone", and that sinners don't deserve to be treated as evil, but more like people who are sick or injured and need help, rather than condemnation and abuse. which is why jesus (supposedly) hung out with usurers and prostitutes; they were the ones who needed "saving".
Here is my view on marriage:
It began as a means to tie the political and financial fortunes together of two families or clans and that tie would be completed in the child who was born to the couple representing the two families. So it is for the children....
I don't see that in the current idea of gay or regular marriage.
This is the practical reasoning behind the institution.......
So changes must be made to fit this reasoning.
I have noticed in other cultures (Islam mostly) there are different types of marriages for different reasons, purposes and occasions.
There should be a main couple and then temporary couples can be added to the house hold for whatever reason...
[QUOTE=redBadger;47821112]Again misleading title. Words of a single person doesn't equate to an entire city state or populations beliefs.[/QUOTE]
The Vatican isn't a democratic thinktank for Catholic ideas. When someone at the top says something, it's supposed to be regarded as the word of god.
The Vatican is one Cardinal?
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;47825576]The Vatican is one Cardinal?[/QUOTE]
A cardinal who is also the vatican's secretary of state and second only to the pope in their hierarchy, yes.
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