• Boy, 4, killed as he sat in church by bullet fired two miles away.
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[QUOTE=johanz;19465303]So you're religious? This ends here.[/QUOTE] I'm a Christian, so what? If you disagree with my beliefs, not my problem.
[QUOTE=faze;19465319]I'm a Christian, so what? If you disagree with my beliefs, not my problem.[/QUOTE] You really shouldn't try to talk about the way God works in a forum full of Atheists.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;19465394]You really shouldn't try to talk about the way God works in a forum full of Atheists.[/QUOTE] Lol I'm beginning to realize that.
I still wonder. Did it come through the roof? Or a windwow?
[QUOTE=faze;19465262]So, what... The universe came into existence out of nothing at all?[/QUOTE] Atheists only believe in what can be scientifically proved and what makes sense. The big bang theory is just one possible theory, and hasn't been fully confirmed. Still it has much more scientific evidence than the theory that god created everything, which actually has none.
Could we discuss how a bullet can pierce through a church-roof please? That's much more promising for me.
[QUOTE=Maucer;19465784]Atheists only believe in what can be scientifically proved and what makes sense. The big bang theory is just one possible theory, and hasn't been fully confirmed. Still it has much more scientific evidence than the theory that god created everything, which actually has none.[/QUOTE] But then you have to know what it was that created whatever created the Big Bang, and then when you use that logic you set it back to a God, then you have to have a God that made that God. It goes on forever, and it's pretty clear that the human race will never know for sure what created the first thing ever.
Could the mod please stop derailing the thread? Not an order, just a request.
[QUOTE=Killuah;19465847]Could the mod please stop derailing the thread? Not an order, just a request.[/QUOTE] Threads are for discussion, the discussion has come to religion (like always) and has yet to turn into a shitfest. The people have finished discussing the actual news over a course of 200 some replies. [b]Edit:[/b] Actually no disregard that, you know everything. Make this man a supermoderator.
wow karma must be a bitch for him
I found an interview with a german professor for physics. [url]http://wwwalt.physik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/dp/extern/content/radio/kugel.pdf[/url] He states that bullets reach around 350 km/h when coming back to Earth, and that's for bullets of rifles with a muzzle velocity of 3000 km/h. An AK(wiki) fires at 715 m/s , roughly 2500 km/h so to speak. The maximum reach is around 1500 m. How the fuck did this happen from 2 miles away? You'd have to shoot the damn bullet at around 45° to make it go that far away and even if so, what kind of church was this? Clearly the bullet couldn't have fallen down straight to earth, it has to come down in some kind of arch. Then how the fuck did the roof NOT take enough energy away when the bullet pierced it?
[QUOTE=Killuah;19466023]I found an interview with a german professor for physics. [url]http://wwwalt.physik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/dp/extern/content/radio/kugel.pdf[/url] He states that bullets reach around 350 km/h when coming back to Earth, and that's for bullets of rifles with a muzzle velocity of 3000 km/h. An AK(wiki) fires at 715 m/s , roughly 2500 km/h so to speak. The maximum reach is around 1500 m. How the fuck did this happen from 2 miles away? You'd have to shoot the damn bullet at around 45° to make it go that far away and even if so, what kind of church was this? Clearly the bullet couldn't have fallen down straight to earth, it has to come down in some kind of arch. Then how the fuck did the roof NOT take enough energy away when the bullet pierced it?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]came through the roof and struck him on the head.[/QUOTE] It didn't have to pierce the skull, the trauma from the bullet could have killed him. Kinda like how that guy threw a remote control at his wife's head and it killed her.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;19434817]A 7.62x39 isn't going to maintain any more energy at 2 miles, the bullet has trouble taking down a deer at 300 yards, how do you expect to travel two miles, bust through a roof, and then a human head? The bullet isn't going to hold much more energy than terminal velocity. Additionally, if the church is anything like all of the churches i've been to, the roof is thick and the walls are made of brick or concrete.[/QUOTE] There's a big difference between a goddamn buck and a child's skull This is also a southern church, where churches aren't made of stone (gets fuckin hot, they're designed for insulation to keep heat in during winter)
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;19466115]There's a big difference between a goddamn buck and a child's skull This is also a southern church, where churches aren't made of stone (gets fuckin hot, they're designed for insulation to keep heat in during winter)[/QUOTE] Why is no one taking into account that nowhere in the article does it say the round pierced his skull
[QUOTE=faze;19465262]So, what... The universe came into existence out of nothing at all?[/QUOTE] So... Some random dude said a few magic words and created everything... from nothing? The creationist theory makes just as much sense as the big bang... Except that the big bang theory actually has some scientific evidence that makes sense. And we don't say that we believe that the big bang ever happened, that's just one possibility.
wow, the news article [I]mentions a church [/I]and the topic has turned into a religion shitfest again stay classy facepunch
[QUOTE=Oecleus;19434505]Any bullet fired from two miles away isn't going to hold the energy needed to come through a roof and still bust through human skull. Terminal velocity of the bullet doesn't give it enough energy.[/QUOTE] No. When such a gun is fired straight up into the air, this is what happens: The bullet leaves the gun at 3000 feet per second. There are two things now that slow the bullet down as it goes up. One is gravity - which slows the bullet 32 feet per second every second. If this were all that slowed it down, then after 10 seconds, the bullet would still be going (3000 - 320), or 2680 feet per second. This is not even close to the true velocity after 10 seconds, because air friction is slowing the bullet also. That friction is much greater while the bullet is going fast. In the first second, it may slow the bullet by 1000 feet per second. Then in the second second, maybe another 500, and then less and less, until finally, the gravitational slowing is more significant than the friction. The bullet will continue to slow down until it stops at the top. When the bullet heads back down: The same two forces are present, but now the gravity part is speeding up the bullet - friction is still trying to slow it down. Gravity will be speeding up the bullet 32 feet per second every second, but friction will be increasing more and more as the bullet speeds up, and this friction will subtract from that 32. There is a certain velocity when the friction is equal to the gravity in the opposite direction. At this point, the frictional acceleration is 32 feet per second every second upward (or -32), while the gravitational acceleration is 32 feet per second every second downward (+32). From now on, the bullet will have no acceleration at all (32 - 32 = 0). When this happens, the velocity of the bullet is called its "terminal velocity." The bullet will continue at the same velocity until it hits the ground or some object. This terminal velocity is different depending mostly on two things. 1. The density of the thing that is falling. 2. The shape of the thing that is falling. Bullets are very dense (usually lead), and they have a shape to allow relatively low friction. The terminal velocity of a feather may be only 2 feet per second because of its shape and density, but the terminal velocity of a bullet could be 300 or 400 feet per second. This could be about 300 miles per hour. 1. That 400 feet per second is much slower than the 3000 feet per second that the bullet had when first fired. If you or a friend argued that the bullet is going slower on the way down, then you or that friend was correct on the physics. 2. It is still dangerous. A three hundred mile per hour piece of lead can still do harm. There is no question that it is not as effective as a bullet fired directly at something. The bullet that is fired at something has another very important feature, however, a feature the bullet fired into the air does not have. It was aimed - there was an intended target. The bullet fired into the air falls randomly and could hit anything. If it hit someone right on top of the head, it's possible that it could kill. It's going about three times as fast as a professionally hit tennis serve, and it's much smaller than a tennis ball, and harder - more penetrating. When you triple the speed, the energy goes up nine times (it's proportional to the square of the speed), and I'll bet there's no-one who wants to be hit by a tennis ball with nine times the energy of a fast serve. Then, because the bullet is small and hard, it is hundreds of times more penetrating than that tennis ball would be. Put a tennis ball in your palm and put twenty pounds on top of it. No problem. But now put the blade of a screw-driver on your palm and put twenty pounds on that. That will hurt. Same twenty pounds - smaller cross section - more penetrating. If you or a friend argued that the falling bullet is dangerous, then you or that friend was correct on that. Above from "http://www.goaskgrandpa.com/sample13.htm"
[QUOTE=Perfumly;19466148]Why is no one taking into account that nowhere in the article does it say the round pierced his skull[/QUOTE] What baffles me is the angle. It had to hit a flat roof in an angle around 45° and even that would probably be enough to bounce it off unless the roof is made out of paper. Lets assume it's a pointy roof, the bullet hit it straight. Then where the fuck was he sitting and still: what damn kind of church was that?
[QUOTE=Killuah;19466338]What baffles me is the angle. It had to hit a flat roof in an angle around 45° and even that would probably be enough to bounce it off unless the roof is made out of paper. Lets assume it's a pointy roof, the bullet hit it straight. Then where the fuck was he sitting and still: what damn kind of church was that?[/QUOTE] Roof could have been wood or plaster.
True that. I guess I am just a bit confused as most churches around where I live are the old stone-made Renaissance and Gothic ones. I am thinking of the wrong kind.
[QUOTE=Killuah;19466398]True that. I guess I am just a bit confused as most churches around where I live are the old stone-made Renaissance and Gothic ones. I am thinking of the wrong kind.[/QUOTE] I've seen a lot with the roofs made from plaster or wood. Bullets can easily blow through that.
Hurf derp they shot him for believing in Jesus!
He was actually playing a Nintendo handheld. If you are going to pull the stupid "god" pun, at least do that one.
I always wondered how often things like this happen and people just don't realize it, thinking it was a murder. What goes up must come down.
[QUOTE=gnome;19466944]I always wondered how often things like this happen and people just don't realize it, thinking it was a murder. What goes up must come down.[/QUOTE] I know, and the retards in the middle east that celebrate by unloading an AK clip into the air, wonder how many people die from that?
[QUOTE=faze;19466952]I know, and the retards in the middle east that celebrate by unloading an AK clip into the air, wonder how many people die from that?[/QUOTE] Probably none, the chances of it hitting someone have got to be incredibly low. Also mag.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;19467012]Probably none, the chances of it hitting someone have got to be incredibly low. Also mag.[/QUOTE] The mag is the part the clip goes into.
[QUOTE=faze;19467036]The mag is the part the clip goes into.[/QUOTE] The clip doesn't go into a magazine, it can be [b]clipped[/b] onto the back of the magazine, and then rounds can be slammed down into the magazine with it. This isn't what most people do though, since stripper clips are more expensive than just buying normal rounds, so they load magazines manually without a clip.
Facepunch top tip here people. Wear bullet-proof vests on New Years Eve. Might save your life!
[QUOTE=JonniXD;19467152]Facepunch top tip here people. Wear bullet-proof vests on New Years Eve. Might save your life![/QUOTE] Yes wear bullet proof vests on your head!
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