[release]Germany pledges to end all nuclear power by 2022
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Germany saw mass anti-nuclear protests in the wake of the Fukushima disaster. [/quote] [B] Germany's ruling coalition says it has agreed a date of 2022 for the shutdown of all of its nuclear power plants.[/B]
Environment Minister Norbert Rottgen made the announcement after a meeting of the ruling coalition that lasted into the early hours of Monday.
Chancellor Angela Merkel had set up an ethics panel to look into nuclear power following the disaster at the Fukushima plant in Japan.
Mr Rottgen said the seven oldest reactors, which were already subject to a moratorium, and the Kruemmel nuclear power plant, would not resume.
Six others would go offline by 2021 at the latest and the three newest by 2022, he said.
Mr Rottgen said: [B]"It's definite. The latest end for the last three nuclear power plants is 2022. There will be no clause for revision."[/B]
Mrs Merkel's Christian Democrats had met with their junior partners on Sunday after the ethics panel had delivered its conclusions.
Before the meeting she said: "[B]I think we're on a good path[/B] but very, very many questions have to be considered.
"If you want to exit something, you also have to prove how the change will work and how we can enter into a durable and sustainable energy provision."
The Fukushima plant was crippled by the March earthquake and tsunami in Japan, causing radioactive leaks that spurred anti-nuclear protests in Germany.
Mr Rottgen said a tax on spent fuel rods, expected to raise 2.3bn euros ($3.28bn) a year from this year, would remain despite the shutdown.
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Germany's nuclear industry has argued that an early shutdown would be hugely damaging to the country's industrial base.[/B]
[B]Before March's moratorium on the older power plants, Germany relied on nuclear power for 23% of its energy.[/B]
The anti-nuclear drive boosted Germany's Green party, which took control of the Christian Democrat stronghold of Baden-Wuerttemberg, in late March. [/release]
A round of applause for Germany, damaging its economy and drastically reducing its ability to meet energy needs in one unalterable plan.
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Idiots.
Okay. So... Where are they going to get their power from now? I say you cut off the power to all the homes with people supporting this idiotic plan.
Hopefully an opposition to that can form and they won't pass it, even though I'm not sure what the popular opinion is on nuclear power in Germany.
well germany, enjoy going backwards.
[quote]"If you want to exit something, you also have to prove how the change will work and how we can enter into a durable and sustainable energy provision."[/quote]
That's pretty much the problem, I'm all for moving to a different form of energy if they have a plan but it doesn't seem like Germany has one. They seem to be banking on the presumption that we'll have something better by 2022, we might, we might not.
A better solution would be to tear down all the old reactors, build newer ones, and increase government safety regulation.
populism
lol
So a power plant is hit by several large earthquakes and tsunamis and fails catastrophically. I can see idiots using that in ridiculous arguments against nuclear power but I was not expecting people to actually take them any more seriously.
Many container ships were wrecked in Japan. [B]Abolish sea freight![/B]
NNNOOOOOOOOO! Even if every nuclear power plant in the U.S. broke down as badly as Chernobyl, it would kill less people total than air pollution kills in like one year. I can even find the source probably but I'm too lazy right now.
[quote]Germany pledges to end all nuclear power by 2022[/quote]
so they're going to invade france again
[QUOTE=cheesedelux;30132916]So a power plant is hit by several large earthquakes and tsunamis and fails catastrophically. I can see idiots using that in ridiculous arguments against nuclear power but I was not expecting people to actually take them any more seriously.
Many container ships were wrecked in Japan. [B]Abolish sea freight![/B][/QUOTE]
When a container ship wrecks it usually doesn't render the surrounding area uninhabitable for years
It fact it may actually provide the surrounding area with millions of stuffed animals and Samsung televisions
Pfft.
Pussies.
I hope it works, if not, we're pretty much fucked :ohdear:
[QUOTE=JackDestiny;30133034]I hope it works, if not, we're pretty much fucked :ohdear:[/QUOTE]
Your country will be a powerless heap of crumbling buildings, with no contact to the outside world
But at least you still have a cool language
Are the current energy alternatives really any better Germany? You need a few dozen more power plants to replace a single nuclear reactor.
my whole country is a nuclear free zone
damn hippies
[QUOTE=Janizaurd;30133100]Are the current energy alternatives really any better Germany? You need a few dozen more power plants to replace a single nuclear reactor.[/QUOTE]
We have a lot of solar collectors here but they are very expensive so people even sell their energy. We also have many wind turbines and sell our energy to other countries
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30132976]When a container ship wrecks it usually doesn't render the surrounding area uninhabitable for years
It fact it may actually provide the surrounding area with millions of stuffed animals and Samsung televisions[/QUOTE]
Oil tankers?
"I don't want anybody I know to use scissors because one time someone cut themselves with scissors and they died so scissors are obviously the most dangerous things on the planet."
[QUOTE=cheesedelux;30132916]So a power plant is hit by several large earthquakes and tsunamis and fails catastrophically. I can see idiots using that in ridiculous arguments against nuclear power but I was not expecting people to actually take them any more seriously.
Many container ships were wrecked in Japan. [B]Abolish sea freight![/B][/QUOTE]
I know someone who is actually like this. We live in MICHIGAN and he was telling me about how we need to take down our plants because of the Japanese disaster. I told him Japan's failed because of a tsunami and huge earthquake of unprecedented scale, so pray tell, what natural disaster of similar scale could potentially hit inland Michigan hard enough to cause the same kind of catastrophic failure?
His answer: tornadoes.
I hate that a lot of people against nuclear power are against both fusion and fission reactors, and can't seem to see the difference between them. I can sort of understand why you wouldn't want fission reactors, due to the radioactive waste. But fission reactors produce little radioactive waste, and what is produced is only radioactive for 100 or so years.
I'm wondering what Germany will use to replace nuclear energy. Something tells me they will end up using coal, unless something better actually gets developed.
good luck trying to fund the conversion from nuclear power to other sources, Germany.
They could of course try to improve safety measures to shut them up, or keep some of the nuclear plants to supplement the other energy sources, nuclear's not the cleanest energy, but it's one of the most versatile.
Actually the plan is to increase investment in a decentralized energy distribution grid to support a flexible energy market where real competion between different providers, private and commercial, is possible and in the process of doing that we are also closing the nuclear plants.
I don't think that's idiotic.
And unless someone provides a good solution to the waste disposal problem, would you please stop calling us idiots for not producing dangerous materials we can't deal with yet?
Massive Nope.Avi from all of Germany
[QUOTE=Killuah;30133495]Actually the plan is to increase investment in a decentralized energy distribution grid to support a flexible energy market where real competion between different providers, private and commercial, is possible and in the process of doing that we are also closing the nuclear plants.
I don't think that's idiotic.
And unless someone provides a good solution to the waste disposal problem, would you please stop calling us idiots for not producing dangerous materials we can't deal with yet?[/QUOTE]
And what sort of decentralized power grid are they looking at maintaining? Solar panels on everybody's roof and windmills in the front yard?
you could almost say they are coming up with a FINAL SOLUTION to nuclear power... lol..
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[QUOTE=Bert the Turtle;30133145]my whole country is a nuclear free zone
damn hippies[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Ridge;30133641]And what sort of decentralized power grid are they looking at maintaining? Solar panels on everybody's roof and windmills in the front yard?[/QUOTE]
Who the fuck even mentioned that?
How about making thorium reactors already?!
[QUOTE=Strongbad;30133606]Massive Nope.Avi from all of Germany[/QUOTE]
more like swap.avi
[QUOTE=MIPS;30133022]Pfft.
Pussies.[/QUOTE]
Nuclear power is neat, the physics of it, the massive amounts of energy produced, all that. And we absolutely should be researching better and safer methods of harnessing it. But we've seen time and time again what happens when an older reactor kicks it so maybe it's time to put this back on the research table.
Like fusion reactors, we need to pump tons of money into developing that shit because it sounds great.
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