Either their just gonna fire up as much coal or oil as they can
Or their gonna invest in stupid wind power / solor power
Wind Power is horribly inefficient for the costs / space, and you cant rely on it
Solar isnt that bad except for the current price, although having a gigantic mass of reflectors isnt that bad, I expect the price on solar panels to go down though
[QUOTE=Tobba;30149420]Either their just gonna fire up as much coal or oil as they can
Or their gonna invest in stupid wind power / solor power
Wind Power is horribly inefficient for the costs / space, and you cant rely on it
[B]Solar isnt that bad except for the current price, although having a gigantic mass of reflectors isnt that bad, I expect the price on solar panels to go down though[/B][/QUOTE]
The process of making solar panels creates large amounts of highly toxic waste products, takes up as much space as a Nuclear Power Plant yet creates a fraction of the energy, and generally needs to be constantly maintained to keep maximum efficiency.
Solar panels would be great as a commercial product or in niche areas where the conditions are just right, but as a primary energy supplier? No way. All of the current "green" sources of energy would barely meet current demands even if successfully implemented and would leave little growing room (which is perhaps their intention, but that argument would delve into a whole other debate.)
I came in expecting them to say that they're gonna get rid of any nukes they own. instead they're gonna do something worse.
Germany has now turned to coal to fuel their energy needs.
/fate of the world reference
also Germany should've waited until they had 4th generation breeder reactors :v:
Germany... I love you, but I am disappointed.
It's just this uninformed idiotic dunkasses that are protesting against Nuclear power, and politicians who just want to be popular, and nothing else.
Also the media
When I said Nuclear power is safe in school, people insulted me, and the teacher gave me strange looks.
Fucking hell, I thought we were the land of poets and thinkers!
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[QUOTE=Jmir 54;30151841]I came in expecting them to say that they're gonna get rid of any nukes they own. instead they're gonna do something worse.[/QUOTE]
Jermany does not have any nukes, just american ones that are stationed here.
[QUOTE=Scar;30158290]It's just this uninformed idiotic dunkasses that are protesting against Nuclear power, and politicians who just want to be popular, and nothing else.
Also the media
When I said Nuclear power is safe in school, people insulted me, and the teacher gave me strange looks.
Fucking hell, I thought we were the land of poets and thinkers!
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Jermany does not have any nukes, just american ones that are stationed here.[/QUOTE]
Which are dropped by german airplanes and not american. And dropped only after authorisation by germany, after getting the order from the US, so basically they are german nukes.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;30136197]If I had to choose one thing I admire about the french, it would be the fact that 80% of their energy comes from nuclear power.
Clean, reliable, efficient, and no major accidents. The french will be well-prepared when fossil fuels start becoming too expensive.[/QUOTE]...But will be severly fucked when uranium becomes more expensive.
Germany; Ignoring reality and fucking up their country since the Frankish empire.
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[QUOTE=Tobba;30149420]Either their just gonna fire up as much coal or oil as they can
Or their gonna invest in stupid wind power / solor power
Wind Power is horribly inefficient for the costs / space, and you cant rely on it
Solar isnt that bad except for the current price, although having a gigantic mass of reflectors isnt that bad, I expect the price on solar panels to go down though[/QUOTE]
Yeah, germany is pretty big on "green" technologies that are more destructive than firing coal and oil.
Solar and wind power technologies are not the "future", they're not efficient, they're just dumb.
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[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30163649]...But will be severly fucked when uranium becomes more expensive.[/QUOTE]
Uranium is a poor nuclear fuel. Its only really used for it having a better yield at producing plutonium for weapons.
Thorium on the other hand, is far more abundant.. generates more power, has a SIGNIFICANTLY lower half-life time compared to uranium. Not to mention, its clean, safe, and the future.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;30163814]Germany; Ignoring reality and fucking up their country since the Frankish empire.
[/QUOTE]
Oh come on, we had pretty good years, Bismarck's "reign", for instance.
But I agree with the points about "green" energy you made.
[i]All[/i] nuclear power? That's just stupid.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;30163814]
Uranium is a poor nuclear fuel. Its only really used for it having a better yield at producing plutonium for weapons.
Thorium on the other hand, is far more abundant.. generates more power, has a SIGNIFICANTLY lower half-life time compared to uranium. Not to mention, its clean, safe, and the future.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a plan, hope that will come within the next 10 years
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;30163814]
Uranium is a poor nuclear fuel. Its only really used for it having a better yield at producing plutonium for weapons.
Thorium on the other hand, is far more abundant.. generates more power, has a SIGNIFICANTLY lower half-life time compared to uranium. Not to mention, its clean, safe, and the future.[/QUOTE]
You didn't get my point. Uranium and thorium are not renewable resources of energy, so when the supplies of these decreases then the cost of producing nuclear energy rises, leading to an increase of prices for electricity. The increased prices for electricity makes everything else much more expensive, since industries are dependant upon electricity to be able to produce their goods. That's why we need to find an alternate source for energy, since nuclear power isn't going to last forever.
Yay even more inefficient turbines to clog up the Germany's countryside!
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30164978]You didn't get my point. Uranium and thorium are not renewable resources of energy, so when the supplies of these decreases then the cost of producing nuclear energy rises, leading to an increase of prices for electricity. The increased prices for electricity makes everything else much more expensive, since industries are dependant upon electricity to be able to produce their goods. That's why we need to find an alternate source for energy, since nuclear power isn't going to last forever.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like we're going to run out in the near future, we have something in the thousands of years of Thorium.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30164978]You didn't get my point. Uranium and thorium are not renewable resources of energy, so when the supplies of these decreases then the cost of producing nuclear energy rises, leading to an increase of prices for electricity. The increased prices for electricity makes everything else much more expensive, since industries are dependant upon electricity to be able to produce their goods. That's why we need to find an alternate source for energy, since nuclear power isn't going to last forever.[/QUOTE]
Their working on more efficient reactors, since we currently only use like 1% of the uraniums energy
If we get it efficient enough, which should be possible, it'll last a few thusand years
Which i'd say is damn fucking enough
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;30165119]You make it sound like we're going to run out in the near future, we have something in the thousands of years of Thorium.[/QUOTE]
The society uses exponentially more energy over time, so that's a generous estimation.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30165183]The society uses exponentially more energy over time, so that's a generous estimation.[/QUOTE]
Tell us what to use instead then
Its the best we have
[QUOTE=Tobba;30165221]Tell us what to use instead then
Its the best we have[/QUOTE]Yeah, we're not going to stop using nuclear power, that's for sure. But we need to fund research on sustainable development, in the area of renewable energy. The only thing dumber to suddenly terminate the production of nuclear power is to continue using it until the train derails and goes off the cliff.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30163649]...But will be severly fucked when uranium becomes more expensive.[/QUOTE]
...which will be long after fossil fuels become too expensive.
...which is why everyone should be switching to thorium.
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[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30165281]Yeah, we're not going to stop using nuclear power, that's for sure. But we need to fund research on sustainable development, in the area of renewable energy. The only thing dumber to suddenly terminate the production of nuclear power is to continue using it until the train derails and goes off the cliff.[/QUOTE]
:raise:
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[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30164978]You didn't get my point. Uranium and thorium are not renewable resources of energy, so when the supplies of these decreases then the cost of producing nuclear energy rises, leading to an increase of prices for electricity. The increased prices for electricity makes everything else much more expensive, since industries are dependant upon electricity to be able to produce their goods. That's why we need to find an alternate source for energy, since nuclear power isn't going to last forever.[/QUOTE]
It'll last for 2000 fucking years, which is more than enough time to wean us off it and onto fusion, which will last until the s[I]un goes red giant and reduces planet earth to a cinder, [/I]and by then I think we'll have bigger problems.
Renewables, on the other hand, will never meet the whole earth's energy supplies, especially not when you consider all the rare earth metals you need to make the horribly inefficient things.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;30165327]
:raise:[/QUOTE]We are too dependant upon using nuclear energy, so ending the production now is not a good solution, but neither is continuing using it indefinitely, because that will bed for an economic downturn in the future. So funding research on renewable energy is the way to go.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30165438]We are too dependant upon using nuclear energy, so ending the production now is not a good solution, but neither is continuing using it indefinitely, because that will bed for an economic downturn in the future. So funding research on renewable energy is the way to go.[/QUOTE]
Sun will burn out after a while, therefor, solar power is not renewable energy
If your going with that logic :v:
If you got the effectiveness of the reactors up to the maximum our supply would last as long as this planet is liveable
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30165438]We are too dependant upon using nuclear energy, so ending the production now is not a good solution, but neither is continuing using it indefinitely, because that will bed for an economic downturn in the future. So funding research on renewable energy is the way to go.[/QUOTE]
...did you take in any of what I just said at all?
We're not "too dependant" on it, we need to be more dependant on it.
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You'd need a wind farm the size of Wales to power the whole UK.
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plus, you'd need to exterminate the Welsh, which would be a pain in the ass
[QUOTE=Tobba;30165484]
If you got the effectiveness of the reactors up to the maximum our supply would last as long as this planet is liveable[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but nobody has an accurate method of telling how long the planet will be liveable... but one thing is for sure, when the sun burns out we won't need any energy production.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30165564]Yeah, but nobody has an accurate method of telling how long the planet will be liveable[/QUOTE]
How is this even slightly relevant?
[QUOTE=Turnips5;30165527]...did you take in any of what I just said at all?
We're not "too dependant" on it, we need to be more dependant on it.
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You'd need a wind farm the size of Wales to power the whole UK.
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plus, you'd need to exterminate the Welsh, which would be a pain in the ass[/QUOTE]
No, using even more nuclear energy will make the inevitable economic downturn come even faster and will be even bigger.
How to you translate "funding research on renewable energy" to "covering Wales with windmills"? ...did you take in any of what I just said at all?
[QUOTE=Turnips5;30165588]How is this even slightly relevant?[/QUOTE]
If you go by the assumption that we can use nuclear power until the planet no longer is liveable then it is highly relevant.
Seriously Germany? You have the biggest economy in all of Europe and you do stupid shit like this? Why?!
Only other thing i can think of tapping into is takin windmills and place them underwater in water streams
Would be so much more efficient
I guess stupid greenies would complain about how it poisons water with electrons or something like that
[QUOTE=Tobba;30165866]Only other thing i can think of tapping into is takin windmills and place them underwater in water streams
Would be so much more efficient
I guess stupid greenies would complain about how it poisons water with electrons or something like that[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_power[/url]
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;30164978]You didn't get my point. Uranium and thorium are not renewable resources of energy, so when the supplies of these decreases then the cost of producing nuclear energy rises, leading to an increase of prices for electricity. The increased prices for electricity makes everything else much more expensive, since industries are dependant upon electricity to be able to produce their goods. That's why we need to find an alternate source for energy, since nuclear power isn't going to last forever.[/QUOTE]
By the time the planets source of thorium is exhausted, I sure hope we have found a way to do deep space mining. Nuclear fuel will last forever, and is the only sustainable, large energy yield fuel we have to date. Wind and Solar will exhaust A LOT of resources by the time they're fully implemented. Even battery operated cars (Plugs ins and hybrids) will do more destruction to the planet over time than internal combustion engines.
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