[QUOTE=yawmwen;28700001]the only reason anyone likes obama is because he is better in comparison to bush and mccain
standalone the guy is a fucking joke of a president[/QUOTE]
People rating disagree have only been around for a few presidents. Probably born around Clinton's time and don't even remember him.
OH LETS HAVE AN OPINION BUT I'M ONLY A TEENAGER! I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT SO I AM RIGHT AND ANYBODY ELSE IS WRONG
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;28700857]People rating disagree have only been around for a few presidents. Probably born around Clinton's time and don't even remember him.
OH LETS HAVE AN OPINION BUT I'M ONLY A TEENAGER! I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT SO I AM RIGHT AND ANYBODY ELSE IS WRONG[/QUOTE]
You're kind of doing the same thing by going "if you rate disagree you are an arrogant teenager".
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
Also by that logic I can't criticize Stalin because I didn't live in the USSR in the 30s-50s.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28700598]
Deficit spending is the only thing that's going to pull us out of this recession.[/quote]
no it wont, it will put us in a bigger hole
it would be a good idea to run on a deficit if our debt wasnt so large, but we are already being eaten up by interest payments as it is
this is the sort of shit that happened to france shortly before the first french revolution
[quote]That and the stimulus [B]did[/B] help.[/quote]
its debatable either way, and the extent it helped cant be seen, if you cant be sure it really helped it was not a good investment on your part
[quote]The health care bill sucking now isn't even his fault, by the way.[/quote]
the writing of the bill isnt his fault but he shouldnt have passed a faulty bill to begin with
[quote]As for the education system and Israel, that's a relatively valid point, but if I recall correctly he's already discussing education reform, starting with the reform of No Child Left Behind.[/quote]
il retract that once i see something substantial, and you need to go a lot farther than no child left behind, there are several fundamental flaws with our system
[quote]Obama isn't a joke, and you have got to be fucking kidding me if you consider a list of what he's done a joke, or thinking you could do the same for Bush.[/QUOTE]
yea you could, bush didnt do all bad things either, most of the stuff on whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar is small shit that any president can do
saying a few minor things he has done right doesnt account for all he has done wrong
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
oh yea and i forgot to mention the continuation of the patriot act, a big black smudge on our civil liberties
just for that obama...fuck you
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28701099]its debatable either way, and the extent it helped cant be seen, if you cant be sure it really helped it was not a good investment on your part[/QUOTE]
If this is really the case, then the extent to which it did nothing also can't be seen, making it pointless to claim it was fucked up.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28701099]il retract that once i see something substantial, and you need to go a lot farther than no child left behind, there are several fundamental flaws with our system[/QUOTE]
I agree with you here.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28701099]yea you could, bush didnt do all bad things either, most of the stuff on whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar is small shit that any president can do[/QUOTE]
Perhaps Bush didn't do 100% bad things, but it isn't debatable that Obama is a better president than Bush, it just isn't.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28701099]saying a few minor things he has done right doesnt account for all he has done wrong[/QUOTE]
So I guess repealing DADT was a pretty minor thing, right? That, and even though the Health Care Bill right now isn't great, it at least shows some effort towards the reform, as clearly the House as-is isn't going to allow a socialized system to get through.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28701099]oh yea and i forgot to mention the continuation of the patriot act, a big black smudge on our civil liberties
just for that obama...fuck you[/QUOTE]
I'll give you that he could've vetoed it, (I agree that he should have vetoed it as well) but to blame Obama for it entirely is just dense, that last sentence in particular.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28701419]If this is really the case, then the extent to which it did nothing also can't be seen, making it pointless to claim it was fucked up.[/quote]
if it the effects of it cant be seen clearly then it was a huge waste of money
[quote]Perhaps Bush didn't do 100% bad things, but it isn't debatable that Obama is a better president than Bush, it just isn't.[/quote]
im not saying that, im saying i could have made a whatthefuckhasbushdonesofar the same way they did for obama with nice things to say
the website doesnt sway me
[quote]So I guess repealing DADT was a pretty minor thing, right? That, and even though the Health Care Bill right now isn't great, it at least shows some effort towards the reform, as clearly the House as-is isn't going to allow a socialized system to get through.[/quote]
i forgot dadt
we shouldnt have passed it in the first place, it isnt that the bill isnt great, its that the bill is trash, it barely helps anyone and spends a lot of money doing it
[quote]I'll give you that he could've vetoed it, (I agree that he should have vetoed it as well) but to blame Obama for it entirely is just dense, that last sentence in particular.[/QUOTE]
im sorry
fuck you obama [i]and[/i] congress
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28701773]i forgot dadt[/quote]
Then that's that.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28701773]we shouldnt have passed it in the first place, it isnt that the bill isnt great, its that the bill is trash, it barely helps anyone and spends a lot of money doing it[/quote]
Imagine you're the Democrats. Would you really want to give up [I]some[/I] kind of reform that you fought so hard for? Not to use it as an excuse, just trying to make it seem less dumb.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28701773]iim sorry
fuck you obama [i]and[/i] congress[/QUOTE]
I'll have you know most of the Democrats in congress voted against it. This is still a really broad way to cast blame, and almost on the same level as people who say "democrats and republicans are pretty much the same".
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28701857]Imagine you're the Democrats. Would you really want to give up [I]some[/I] kind of reform that you fought so hard for? Not to use it as an excuse, just trying to make it seem less dumb.[/quote]
i would rather have no reform than the republican's idea of reform
[quote]I'll have you know most of the Democrats in congress voted against it. This is still a really broad way to cast blame, and almost on the same level as people who say "democrats and republicans are pretty much the same".[/QUOTE]
congress as a whole agreed on it, i can say fuck you to congress
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28702080]congress as a whole agreed on it, i can say fuck you to congress[/QUOTE]
Imagine you have the Senate/House. 60% vote yes on something you don't like. Your response? "lol yeah fuck congress that other 40% can eat a dick". That isn't "congress as a whole agreeing on it".
[QUOTE=Amplar;28696195]No shit
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
This just in: Obama isn't doing a good job[/QUOTE]
This just in: financial meltdowns are expensive to fix
[QUOTE=TH89;28703018]This just in: financial meltdowns are expensive to fix[/QUOTE]
but i thought u could push a button and make it all go away
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28702757]Imagine you have the Senate/House. 60% vote yes on something you don't like. Your response? "lol yeah fuck congress that other 40% can eat a dick". That isn't "congress as a whole agreeing on it".[/QUOTE]
thats the way our system works, thats the way it has to work
if 60% of congress has voted in favor of something then that means congress as a whole passes it
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;28703018]This just in: financial meltdowns are expensive to fix[/QUOTE]
definitely, but spending isnt the key when spending can cause a bigger long term problem, a major percentage of our budget is already appropriated to debt interest, we don't need a bigger chunk being sliced out
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703389]thats the way our system works, thats the way it has to work
if 60% of congress has voted in favor of something then that means congress as a whole passes it[/QUOTE]
It does mean that they pass it, but it doesn't mean that they all agree on it. There is a distinct difference.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703435]It does mean that they pass it, but it doesn't mean that they all agree on it. There is a distinct difference.[/QUOTE]
when i say fuck congress i mean congress as a whole, which passed the bill, im not talking about individual senators that may or may not have voted in favor of it
that is my distinction, i am making a generalization based on the majority
i mean we say fuck republicans when not every republican is batshit insane, hell some of them may even be pretty smart
but you can make a generalization about them because of the majority
Hah! People need a list to know that Obama has done anything. :v:
Hurr durr republicans fault republicans don't know what they're doing.
God fuckin A us democrats aren't doing shit! It's gotta be the republicans fault! Let's just blame them while we sit around smelling each others farts!
[QUOTE=BigOwl;28703468]Hah! People need a list to know that Obama has done anything. :v:
Hurr durr republicans fault republicans don't know what they're doing.
God fuckin A us democrats aren't doing shit! It's gotta be the republicans fault! [B]Let's just blame them while we sit around smelling each others farts![/B][/QUOTE]
That is literally the kind of joke an 8 year-old would make. How can you honestly expect to be taken seriously with this kind of post?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703389]definitely, but spending isnt the key when spending can cause a bigger long term problem, a major percentage of our budget is already appropriated to debt interest, we don't need a bigger chunk being sliced out[/QUOTE]
What would you do instead?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703542]That is literally the kind of joke an 8 year-old would make. How can you honestly expect to be taken seriously with this kind of post?[/QUOTE]
How can anyone who is a faithful democrat or a republican be taken seriously anymore?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703465]when i say fuck congress i mean congress as a whole, which passed the bill, im not talking about individual senators that may or may not have voted in favor of it
that is my distinction, i am making a generalization based on the majority
i mean we say fuck republicans when not every republican is batshit insane, hell some of them may even be pretty smart
but you can make a generalization about them because of the majority[/QUOTE]
Generalizing based on what the majority of a group does is really very dumb.
Not to mention, generalizing Congress doesn't really work the same way as generalizing Republicans, even if generalizations were valid argument points. This is because all Republicans ideally share the same stance on ideological issues, whereas the entirety of Congress does not, the entire essence of debate that is supposed to go on there is based on opposing views.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703581]Generalizing based on what the majority of a group does is really very dumb.
Not to mention, generalizing Congress doesn't really work the same way as generalizing Republicans, even if generalizations were valid argument points. This is because all Republicans ideally share the same stance on ideological issues, whereas the entirety of Congress does not, the entire essence of debate that is supposed to go on there is based on opposing views.[/QUOTE]
Says the guy who generalizes republicans.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;28703558]How can anyone who is a faithful democrat or a republican be taken seriously anymore?[/QUOTE]
Being 100% one or the other isn't intelligent in and of itself. What's important is holding true to what you view as right as a politician, and making smart, informed, decisions. Hopefully based on sound rationale and not appeal to emotion arguments or knee-jerk reactions.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703603]Being 100% one or the other isn't intelligent in and of itself. What's important is holding true to what you view as right as a politician, and making smart, informed, decisions. Hopefully based on sound rationale and not appeal to emotion arguments or knee-jerk reactions.[/QUOTE]
But that's not what anyone does anymore. It's always some shit about what the republicans did or didn't do. I hate politics and thus i take my leave from this thread.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;28703597]Says the guy who generalizes republicans.[/QUOTE]
By doing what? The Republican platform [B]is [/B]what's running us even further into the ground. If you disagree with the Republican platform, you aren't really a Republican, now are you? I define Republicans as people who adhere (at least mostly) to their ideological stances on issues, and since I see those stances as bad ideas, I view Republicans as bad politicians.
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=BigOwl;28703615]But that's not what anyone does anymore. [B]It's always some shit about what the republicans did or didn't do. [/B]I hate politics and thus i take my leave from this thread.[/QUOTE]
That's probably because they propose the majority of bad legislation we see today. And if you hate politics so much, why did you even come into this thread?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703581]Generalizing based on what the majority of a group does is really very dumb.
Not to mention, generalizing Congress doesn't really work the same way as generalizing Republicans, even if generalizations were valid argument points. This is because all Republicans ideally share the same stance on ideological issues, whereas the entirety of Congress does not, the entire essence of debate that is supposed to go on there is based on opposing views.[/QUOTE]
im not using it as an argument though
im saying i have a bad opinion of congress because a majority of them will vote in a certain way
Who has two thumbs and voting republican in 2012?
<- this guy
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703645]By doing what? The Republican platform [B]is [/B]what's running us even further into the ground. If you disagree with the Republican platform, you aren't really a Republican, now are you? I define Republicans as people who adhere (at least mostly) to their ideological stances on issues, and since I see those stances as bad ideas, I view Republicans as bad politicians.[/QUOTE]
Usually when people say Republicans they mean registered members of the Republican party, who have a pretty diverse set of views.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703645]By doing what? The Republican platform [B]is [/B]what's running us even further into the ground. If you disagree with the Republican platform, you aren't really a Republican, now are you? I define Republicans as people who adhere (at least mostly) to their ideological stances on issues, and since I see those stances as bad ideas, I view Republicans as bad politicians.
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
That's probably because they propose the majority of bad legislation we see today. And if you hate politics so much, why did you even come into this thread?[/QUOTE]
To see if there was any hope the republicans weren't going to be blamed for something yet again.
[QUOTE=TH89;28703554]What would you do instead?[/QUOTE]
for one i would raise taxes, specifically create a new tax bracket above $250,000 and tax them more money
then i would use part of that money to run at a surplus and pay debt and use the rest funding existing projects, and possibly if there is any difference left over do some stimulus stuff on a small scale, building infrastructure or something that has been proven to create jobs and help in recession
[QUOTE=slinkman;28703696]Who has two thumbs and voting republican in 2012?
that guy[/QUOTE]
Who has two thumbs and thinks that's a bad idea?
<- this guy
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703720]for one i would raise taxes, specifically create a new tax bracket above $250,000 and tax them more money
then i would use part of that money to run at a surplus and pay debt and use the rest funding existing projects, and possibly if there is any difference left over do some stimulus stuff on a small scale, building infrastructure or something that has been proven to create jobs and help in recession[/QUOTE]
So just use taxes to get out of the deficit?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703724]Who has two thumbs and thinks that's a bad idea?
<- this guy[/QUOTE]
who has two thumbs and is posting in this thread?
^ that guy
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
<-- also this guy i guess, since i already posted
[QUOTE=TH89;28703705]Usually when people say Republicans they mean registered members of the Republican party, who have a pretty diverse set of views.[/QUOTE]
Right, but if you disagree with the majority of Republican ideas, why would you still be a Republican?
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703738]who has two thumbs and is posting in this thread?
^ that guy
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
<-- also this guy i guess, since i already posted[/QUOTE]
I suppose you are.
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