[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703744]Right, but if you disagree with the majority of Republican ideas, why would you still be a Republican?
[/QUOTE]
you disagree more with the democrats?
you want to help reform the party?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703815]you disagree more with the democrats?
you want to help reform the party?[/QUOTE]
I certainly do disagree with the Democrats, and I don't identify as one. However I dislike the Republicans more, and no third party is currently running that I agree with.
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703815]you disagree more with the democrats?
you want to help reform the party?[/QUOTE]
And yes I would love to reform the party, but how do you think I would do that?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703842]I certainly do disagree with the Democrats, and I don't identify as one. However I dislike the Republicans more, and no third party is currently running that I agree with.
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
And yes I would love to reform the party, but how do you think I would do that?[/QUOTE]
im saying as an example
someone might join the republican party because they want to identify with a party and they identify less with democrats than republicans
or they are of a stance slightly related to republicans(libertarians could be considered somewhat related) and want to reform the party from within
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703720]for one i would raise taxes, specifically create a new tax bracket above $250,000 and tax them more money
then i would use part of that money to run at a surplus and pay debt and use the rest funding existing projects, and possibly if there is any difference left over do some stimulus stuff on a small scale, building infrastructure or something that has been proven to create jobs and help in recession[/QUOTE]
You'd have to raise taxes by a massive degree to do more stimulus stuff, pay debt AND run at a surplus. And sudden massive taxation of the rich is going to kick the economy in the nuts.
Sadly, nothing is ever that easy :(
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703871]or they are of a stance slightly related to republicans(libertarians could be considered somewhat related) and want to reform the party from within[/QUOTE]
Well that's a little bit different. Even if I was doing that, I still wouldn't identify as a Republican. And there[I] is[/I] a Libertarian Party, you know?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28703956]Well that's a little bit different. Even if I was doing that, I still wouldn't identify as a Republican. And there[I] is[/I] a Libertarian Party, you know?[/QUOTE]
people want to join a "winning" party
how many seats in congress and the house does the libertarian party have
many people feel its pointless to join and instead go with the party that actually gets votes that they slightly agree with
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;28703948]You'd have to raise taxes by a massive degree to do more stimulus stuff, pay debt AND run at a surplus. And sudden massive taxation of the rich is going to kick the economy in the nuts.
Sadly, nothing is ever that easy :([/QUOTE]
even a small increase in upper bracket rich taxes will get large sums of money
there surely has to be a way to raise those taxes without going under economically and at the very least begin debt payments
personally i wouldnt mind the spending so much if the united states government showed that it at least intended to pay some debt off, but it seems to be continually taking out more money in debt which is really unsustainable
now i probably sound like a republican talking head :v:
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703972]people want to join a "winning" party
how many seats in congress and the house does the libertarian party have
many people feel its pointless to join and instead go with the party that actually gets votes that they slightly agree with
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
even a small increase in upper bracket rich taxes will get large sums of money
there surely has to be a way to raise those taxes without going under economically and at the very least begin debt payments
personally i wouldnt mind the spending so much if the united states government showed that it at least intended to pay some debt off, but it seems to be continually taking out more money in debt which is really unsustainable
now i probably sound like a republican talking head :v:[/QUOTE]
I understand that they want to join a winning party. However, voting Republican because you feel like there's no other choice, and identifying/registering as Republican are two very different things. I for example, am Socialist. I would like to see the Socialist Party rise to at least the level of popularity it had in the early 1900s, and who knows, maybe that sort of sentiment will increase as the situation here escalates, but for now I vote Democrat because there is no other choice. Perhaps later in my life I will promote the Socialist Party, but I'd need to get more in-depth information about its current state.
[QUOTE=TH89;28703554]What would you do instead?[/QUOTE]
Build myself a mansion, airstrip and casino on a remote island.
Which is why Contag 2012 is a bad idea.
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
Oh, I'd do that with the funds taken from Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, after I order the CIA to make it seem like they were terrorists.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28704127]I understand that they want to join a winning party. However, voting Republican because you feel like there's no other choice, and identifying/registering as Republican are two very different things. I for example, am Socialist. I would like to see the Socialist Party rise to at least the level of popularity it had in the early 1900s, and who knows, maybe that sort of sentiment will increase as the situation here escalates, but for now I vote Democrat because there is no other choice. Perhaps later in my life I will promote the Socialist Party, but I'd need to get more in-depth information about its current state.[/QUOTE]
hey now
maybe we should team up or somethin
fper's for socialism maybe
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28704180]hey now
maybe we should team up or somethin
fper's for socialism maybe[/QUOTE]
Well the closest thing there is on here is this:
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/group.php?groupid=1908[/URL]
I think Wakka was trying to get something like that going on though, if you want to ask him.
[editline]19th March 2011[/editline]
But hey, if you ever feel inspired enough, maybe try and talk to people in your community about Socialism, and see if the Socialist or Communist Party's have a branch in your area and have a talk with them. They could always use supporters, but really it's up to your own desires.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703972]even a small increase in upper bracket rich taxes will get large sums of money[/QUOTE]
Hoo boy, not THAT large. The federal budget is huge :v:
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703972]personally i wouldnt mind the spending so much if the united states government showed that it at least intended to pay some debt off, but it seems to be continually taking out more money in debt which is really unsustainable[/QUOTE]
Here's a question--if the rest of the world thought the U.S. was never going to pay back its debt, why do they keep lending us gigantic sums of money? Debt is an issue now, absolutely, but U.S. bonds are still pretty much the best investment on the planet.
[QUOTE=TH89;28704523]Hoo boy, not THAT large. The federal budget is huge :v:
Here's a question--if the rest of the world thought the U.S. was never going to pay back its debt, why do they keep lending us gigantic sums of money? Debt is an issue now, absolutely, but U.S. bonds are still pretty much the best investment on the planet.[/QUOTE]
that is a good point, i could say interest, even if the apr was set at 10%(a very generous loan, but i dont know how national debt works either) it would only take 10 years for the loaner to get their full money bank granted that the government only pays interest
and the apr is probably at a much higher percentage than that
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
but then again i know very little about what a national loan looks like, so i am probably talking out of my ass
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28700593]increasing the deficit, passing a fucked up stimulus pack first thing in his presidency, passing a health care bill that does just about nothing, failing to wrangle in an overly belligerant and oppressive israel, refusing to reform the education systems[/QUOTE]
Republicans' fault, debatable, Republican's fault, I bet his hands are tied on that one, that would be difficult when the education dept is the least funded.
WooHoo, Obama fucking up America even more.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;28705028]Republicans' fault, debatable, Republican's fault, I bet his hands are tied on that one, that would be difficult when the education dept is the least funded.[/QUOTE]
see i would also like to see the education dept get a huge boost in funding and defense a huge cut
but congress decides budget and alas, it seems like a political death wish to even hint at cutting defense
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28705046]see i would also like to see the education dept get a huge boost in funding and defense a huge cut
but congress decides budget and alas, it seems like a political death wish to even hint at cutting defense[/QUOTE]
if you cut the defense budget you cut up the american flag :911:
I'm still amused by the ignorance of Facepunch.
Obama is a conservative.
Bush is a conservative.
Almost every politician is a fucking conservative. In the end all anyone cares about is the amount of money they gain from lobbyers.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;28705093]if you cut the defense budget you cut up the american flag :911:[/QUOTE]
we dont even have that cool of a flag anyways
mexico's flag is way more badass than ours
we could learn a thing or two from them
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ca5bah;28705117]I'm still amused by the ignorance of Facepunch.
Obama is a conservative.
Bush is a conservative.
Almost every politician is a fucking conservative. In the end all anyone cares about is the amount of money they gain from lobbyers.[/QUOTE]
not really, true that some people get caught up in the "political game" but people go into politics with a genuine desire to help people
if you just want to make money and gain power you might as well do business or law or medicine because those can make you way more than a politician if your good at it and is much more secure than politics
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28705127]we dont even have that cool of a flag anyways
mexico's flag is way more badass than ours
we could learn a thing or two from them
[/QUOTE]
Fucking goddamn eagle on a goddamn cactus
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ca5bah;28705117]I'm still amused by the ignorance of Facepunch.
Obama is a conservative.
Bush is a conservative.
Almost every politician is a fucking conservative. In the end all anyone cares about is the amount of money they gain from lobbyers.[/QUOTE]
Well political bi-partisanship these days seems to be whatever the republicans want.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;28705145]Fucking goddamn eagle on a goddamn cactus
[/QUOTE]
its not just an eagle on a cactus
its a fucking goddamn eagle eating a goddamn snake on a cactus
[QUOTE=Ca5bah;28705117]I'm still amused by the ignorance of Facepunch.
Obama is a conservative.
Bush is a conservative.
Almost every politician is a fucking conservative. In the end all anyone cares about is the amount of money they gain from lobbyers.[/QUOTE]
On the American spectrum, Obama's a moderate liberal. Bush is a neoconservative.
The top tax bracket has close to or more then half the countries wealth, so a small increase would get some dough.
And a lot more then taxing the poor.
[QUOTE=TH89;28705205]On the American spectrum, Obama's a moderate liberal. Bush is a neoconservative.[/QUOTE]
I'd say Obama leans more towards moderate conservative; his conservative acts far outweigh his liberal acts by a decent amount.
[img]http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/uscandidates2008.png[/img]
[url]http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008[/url]
Moderate liberals would be people like McKinney or Kunichi.
Is that going by laws he passed, or laws he proposed?
The only real way to solve this is to cut medical aid to poor and old people. It doesn't seem to moral, but it would probably cut the deficit in half.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];28714063']The only real way to solve this is to cut medical aid to poor and old people. It doesn't seem to moral, but it would probably cut the deficit in half.[/QUOTE]
It's amazing what republicans will suggest over cutting defense.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28700593]useless website, i could have done the same with bush
increasing the deficit, passing a fucked up stimulus pack first thing in his presidency, passing a health care bill that does just about nothing, failing to wrangle in an overly belligerant and oppressive israel, refusing to reform the education systems[/QUOTE]
Has any other president done something like that? Were people really expecting another Roosevelt or something!?
[QUOTE='[sluggo];28714063']The only real way to solve this is to cut medical aid to poor and old people. It doesn't seem to moral, but it would probably cut the deficit in half.[/QUOTE]
I could say the same for defense, but I suppose that's just something we aren't willing to cut. The programs that are trying to help people, yeah, [I]those should definitely be the first to go.[/I]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28703720]for one i would raise taxes, specifically create a new tax bracket above $250,000 and tax them more money
then i would use part of that money to run at a surplus and pay debt and use the rest funding existing projects, and possibly if there is any difference left over do some stimulus stuff on a small scale, building infrastructure or something that has been proven to create jobs and help in recession[/QUOTE]
Why the fuck does everyone think there is one single quick fix for every god damn thing!? It doesn't matter if we tax the rich more, they'll find fucking loop holes around it! They always have, they never pay their full taxes and never will because they can afford getting it somewhere the government can't touch! You can't just expect to one part of the economy to fucking fix it. You're plan is as childish as I expected it to be.
If you wanted concrete change, you would first, place higher taxes on sending jobs over seas. Lower taxes on corporate America and help bring back jobs the United States. We NEED MORE MANUFACTURING JOBS! Also, a lot of those jobs would go unfilled because a lot of Americans think its above them, we need to make a general shift in our societal make up so that more Americans would actually go work at factories and such.
Taxing the rich would bring in more revenue, but we need a general tax reform in general! The last thing that should be done and this is after everything else has been put in place, you cut the defense budget.
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