• China blocks well-known artist from boarding plane
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[QUOTE=Swebonny;28971724]I understand what you mean. And yes China is quite far behind United States. It's like China just experienced the industrial 60 years ago. To be on topic: Actions like these are pretty much what gives China its bad image, simply the lack of freedom. I don't see how a more openness would harm China in any way.[/QUOTE] The reason for China to keep on their strict "face" is because they don't want to admit defeat and bow down to the people who were right. They are stubborn and afraid of being looked upon as weak, that's why they keep do things that we in the Western World look at as injust and wrong. My mom always tells me this "The only way to understand the Chinese is to be Chinese". It's hard for us who live in the Western World to comprehend the actions and norms of the Chinese society, and I can safely say, I'm facepalming myself a lot at times following the news on China, thinking "wtf is this?". [editline]3rd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Contag;28971852]I agree that it's changed immensely, and will continue to modernize greatly. My point was that due to the relative cost of labour (which was why I included the comparison of minimum wages - not that everyone in China lives in squalor), it was, and will continue to be, far more economical to produce things in China. The other point was that in order to achieve such rates of growth, it was necessary to disregard environmental concerns. However, as you said, now that they have the infrastructure and economic power to do things in a far more sustainable fashion, they will tend to do so. I think a rather elucidating fact is that the "China builds two coal power plants a week!!!" comment that is so often thrown about is actually due to the decommissioning of older, far less environmentally friendly plants.[/QUOTE] The same with "Oh, you guys eat dogs! How does it taste like?" People today often misjudge and prejudice China still up to this day, talking about how we have small narrow eyes and eat everything.
Obviously not unforeseen. Just because China is one of the world's biggest powers doesn't mean that it's exempt from any sort of protests/change/revolution/whatever you'd like to call it. They obviously have effective ways of quelling it, but it's still bound to be present.
[QUOTE=Bobie;28970876]im so glad people like you dont have power over anything[/QUOTE] Unfortunately you are wrong about that.
[QUOTE=Bobie;28970876]im so glad people like you dont have power over anything[/QUOTE] Unfortunately you are wrong about that.
[QUOTE=Cree8ive;28971924]"The only way to understand the Chinese is to be Chinese" [/QUOTE] This is a good quote that can be applied to almost any culture.
they also banned Her Majesty Bjork from china just for screaming tibet tibet tibet which probably wasn't the best move ever
This kind of stuff is necessary in a semi-communist state if you want to maintain stability.
[QUOTE=SappinMyNick;28970792]So how will invading and destroying it make it better?[/QUOTE] How will it make it worse?
I saw Ai weiwei's exhibition in London at Tate Modern, and to be honest I never really saw the point in how ~~involved~~ artists are, just because you spent 3 years making millions of pebbles that look like sunflower seeds doesn't make you an artist, it means you have too much time on your hands, look at professional artists (Game artists, film artists, graphic novel artists, graphic designers, novelist etc.) you're not special, you're not ~~emotionally involved~~ you're the scum of the artistic world and I don't even understand how anybody can like what you do. /le rant
[QUOTE=xeonmuffin;28973998]I saw Ai weiwei's exhibition in London at Tate Modern, and to be honest I never really saw the point in how ~~involved~~ artists are, just because you spent 3 years making millions of pebbles that look like sunflower seeds doesn't make you an artist, it means you have too much time on your hands, look at professional artists (Game artists, film artists, graphic novel artists, graphic designers, novelist etc.) you're not special, you're not ~~emotionally involved~~ you're the scum of the artistic world and I don't even understand how anybody can like what you do. /le rant[/QUOTE] ho ho ho look at the art critic here
[QUOTE=Cree8ive;28971924]The reason for China to keep on their strict "face" is because they don't want to admit defeat and bow down to the people who were right. They are stubborn and afraid of being looked upon as weak, that's why they keep do things that we in the Western World look at as injust and wrong. My mom always tells me this "The only way to understand the Chinese is to be Chinese". It's hard for us who live in the Western World to comprehend the actions and norms of the Chinese society, and I can safely say, I'm facepalming myself a lot at times following the news on China, thinking "wtf is this?". [editline]3rd April 2011[/editline] The same with "Oh, you guys eat dogs! How does it taste like?" People today often misjudge and prejudice China still up to this day, talking about how we have small narrow eyes and eat everything.[/QUOTE] It's a Jersey thing. [editline]3rd April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=xeonmuffin;28973998]I saw Ai weiwei's exhibition in London at Tate Modern, and to be honest I never really saw the point in how ~~involved~~ artists are, just because you spent 3 years making millions of pebbles that look like sunflower seeds doesn't make you an artist, it means you have too much time on your hands, look at professional artists (Game artists, film artists, graphic novel artists, graphic designers, novelist etc.) you're not special, you're not ~~emotionally involved~~ you're the scum of the artistic world and I don't even understand how anybody can like what you do. /le rant[/QUOTE] oh shove a sunflower pebble up your sandy vagina simon cowell
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[QUOTE=Cree8ive;28971924]The reason for China to keep on their strict "face" is because they don't want to admit defeat and bow down to the people who were right. They are stubborn and afraid of being looked upon as weak, that's why they keep do things that we in the Western World look at as injust and wrong. My mom always tells me this "The only way to understand the Chinese is to be Chinese". It's hard for us who live in the Western World to comprehend the actions and norms of the Chinese society, and I can safely say, I'm facepalming myself a lot at times following the news on China, thinking "wtf is this?". [editline]3rd April 2011[/editline] The same with "Oh, you guys eat dogs! How does it taste like?" People today often misjudge and prejudice China still up to this day, talking about how we have small narrow eyes and eat everything.[/QUOTE] I'm having a little bit of a hard time grasping this idea of "China's just different from the western world, the reasons why they don't have freedom of speech and expression is just because it's different. The only way to understand it is to be Chinese". It just sounds outrageously condescending.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28974647]I'm having a little bit of a hard time grasping this idea of "China's just different from the western world, the reasons why they don't have freedom of speech and expression is just because it's different. The only way to understand it is to be Chinese". It just sounds outrageously condescending.[/QUOTE] It's obviously far more complex and nuanced than that, and implies a kind of moral relativism that I'm not especially comfortable with.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;28971449]Contag, I'm pretty sure that you know China has the ability to affect the world trough politics and economy. [editline]3rd April 2011[/editline] Bad way to compare as things are much more cheaper there. A wage of ~150 USD / month is enough to live a fairly normal life in Beijing. And China is the country that has spent most money on renewable energy technology (35 billion USD), it's not like they don't give a crap about the environment. I think you need to look outside the box you are in. China isn't longer the country it was during the 80s. Things are obviously not perfect, even I understand that. But you can't deny that it has changed a lot, and probably will do it for the rest of its existence.[/QUOTE] I am living in beijing, but i really don't find 150 USD/month is enough to live a fairly normal life here. If you wanna use 150USD living a fairly normal life here, i can't image what a miserable life you will get. "Things are obviously perfect"?!!! I can't agree with you fairly!! Although i am Chinese, i have to say our goverment is not so perfect before it takes any useful measures on stopping corruption and build a Fair and equal society. I love my motherland and i want it better and better , but i won't ignore these existing problems. At last, i have to say I still support The government of China because it has really made great achievements after all.
[QUOTE=SnowingWorld;29082509]I am living in beijing, but i really don't find 150 USD/month is enough to live a fairly normal life here. If you wanna use 150USD living a fairly normal life here, i can't image what a miserable life you will get. "Things are obviously perfect"?!!! I can't agree with you fairly!! Although i am Chinese, i have to say our goverment is not so perfect before it takes any useful measures on stopping corruption and build a Fair and equal society. I love my motherland and i want it better and better , but i won't ignore these existing problems. At last, i have to say I still support The government of China because it has really made great achievements after all.[/QUOTE] hey champ, hows it going welcome to the internet, your motherland is a run by a bunch of pricks just like how every other country is run by a bunch of pricks, and the fact that you feel you need to have some sort of loyalty to your government shows you're a brainwashed drone In other words, Tienanmen Square. If you aren't blocked from Facepunch now, wiki it. Have a nice day.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29082773]hey champ, hows it going welcome to the internet, your motherland is a run by a bunch of pricks just like how every other country is run by a bunch of pricks, and the fact that you feel you need to have some sort of loyalty to your government shows you're a brainwashed drone In other words, Tienanmen Square. If you aren't blocked from Facepunch now, wiki it. Have a nice day.[/QUOTE] Well, at least he isn't hating on him for living in the U.S.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;29082773]hey champ, hows it going welcome to the internet, your motherland is a run by a bunch of pricks just like how every other country is run by a bunch of pricks, and the fact that you feel you need to have some sort of loyalty to your government shows you're a brainwashed drone In other words, Tienanmen Square. If you aren't blocked from Facepunch now, wiki it. Have a nice day.[/QUOTE] Hey champ, how's it going The Chinese are loyal to their country and to their government. They might not agree with some things their government do, but they don't complain and whine. It only shows your ignorance because you choose to bring up that Tiananmen Square incident, thinking that everyone there are simply sheep, ignorant of their past. And no, they don't block Facepunch. [editline]10th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;28974647]I'm having a little bit of a hard time grasping this idea of "China's just different from the western world, the reasons why they don't have freedom of speech and expression is just because it's different. The only way to understand it is to be Chinese". It just sounds outrageously condescending.[/QUOTE] Hmm, let me say this: You shouldn't look at China according to YOUR standards, because their society can be different in some ways, but this doesn't necessarily condone everything they do either.
[QUOTE=watehfreak;29086761]Hey champ, how's it going The Chinese are loyal to their country and to their government. They might not agree with some things their government do, but they don't complain and whine. It only shows your ignorance because you choose to bring up that Tiananmen Square incident, thinking that everyone there are simply sheep, ignorant of their past. And no, they don't block Facepunch. [editline]10th April 2011[/editline] Hmm, let me say this: You shouldn't look at China according to YOUR standards, because their society can be different in some ways, but this doesn't necessarily condone everything they do either.[/QUOTE] Loyalty to an institution is nothing more than willful foolishness. There is not a single institution on this planet worthy of unquestioning support, be it corporation, charity, religion, or government. A country is a section of a continent on a map, nothing more. To complain is to make your voice heard and to think independently of those controlling you. The fact you think that's a bad thing only shows that you're a damned idiot. And China blocks webpages with certain key words on them, one of such key words being Tienanmen Square. Truly the act of a government worthy of loyalty.
[QUOTE=xeonmuffin;28973998]I saw Ai weiwei's exhibition in London at Tate Modern, and to be honest I never really saw the point in how ~~involved~~ artists are, just because you spent 3 years making millions of pebbles that look like sunflower seeds doesn't make you an artist, it means you have too much time on your hands, look at professional artists (Game artists, film artists, graphic novel artists, graphic designers, novelist etc.) you're not special, you're not ~~emotionally involved~~ you're the scum of the artistic world and I don't even understand how anybody can like what you do. /le rant[/QUOTE] Artwork isn't about being practical(although it can be)
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