[QUOTE=Thlis;42477684]
Apparently having sex dehumanizes you.[/QUOTE]
Apparently being reduced down to a pair of jugs or a sex object doesn't?
Seriously, grow up if you believe for five seconds that any porn, or porn/erotica story can have any sort of believeable relationship dynamics when at its core, its just to get you off.
[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;42477686]Not sure why you spoiler tagged that, but Last of Us and sub-par game play? In my opinion, Last of Us had outstanding game play. For me, Last of Us and GTA V are the top contenders for game of the year.[/QUOTE]
The story was really good, and the world built around the story, from what little we saw, but I thought the gameplay was fairly, I dunno, unimaginative. Fighting and sneaking around Clickers was nice, but all of the human shooting felt pretty boiler plate and the stealth was occasionally clunky.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42476189]Well she's not real...[/QUOTE]
Idk I would be mad if something I made ended up with a shitload of people drawing porn of it.
[QUOTE=Skyward;42476876]I don't think its a problem because its dehumanizing a [I]video game character[/I]. That makes no sense.
I [I]do [/I]think its dumb because it reduces the character and its integrity to "LOOK DAT GURLS HUEG TITTEHS". A character is what you make of it to an extent. To me Elizabeth as a character was a lot more than a walking pair or breasts. She was believable and likable. So yeah she's not at all the kind of character I'd hope to see porn of, but others would say differently and HEY! that just the way of things. I can understand Ken's feelings on the matter, and to an extent I agree, but its not going to change, and I hardly consider it something to get upset over.
In the end it doesn't change my perception of the character. Through my time with the game I was never thinking to myself "DAYUM GURL GOT MAD BACK GONNA JACK IT TO DAT". I thought they did a good job of making her likable, but not in a sexualized way. And just because there's porn of her, I still feel the same way. But if other people think differently, whatever. More power to em.[/QUOTE]
Problem is that one of the things that excites about people in porn is "this is totally wrong".
[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;42477686]Not sure why you spoiler tagged that, but Last of Us and sub-par game play? In my opinion, Last of Us had outstanding game play. For me, Last of Us and GTA V are the top contenders for game of the year.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I only tried out the sneaking sections and I wasn't impressed by how the AI handled it.
[editline]10th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42477739]Problem is that one of the things that excites about people in porn is "this is totally wrong".[/QUOTE]
In fact it's the only factor I consider when selecting porn.
I have a feeling he said this in jest and Kotaku is just being Kotaku and you guys are just overreacting.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42477708]Apparently being reduced down to a pair of jugs or a sex object doesn't?
Seriously, grow up if you believe for five seconds that any porn, or porn/erotica story can have any sort of believeable relationship dynamics when at its core, its just to get you off.[/QUOTE]
Why not?
What about being arousing is mutually exclusive to verisimilitude?
[QUOTE=Swilly;42477708]Apparently being reduced down to a pair of jugs or a sex object doesn't?
Seriously, grow up if you believe for five seconds that any porn, or porn/erotica story can have any sort of believeable relationship dynamics when at its core, its just to get you off.[/QUOTE]
And how does that dehumanize the character when it isn't even official?
Do you also get mad at fan fiction writers for dehumanizing Chewie?
Does Bryan Ashcraft still write for Kotaku? I haven't gone there in a while but I've always thought it's funny that Kotaku uses issues like this as clickbait while Ashcraft publishes articles about how he found a panties vending machine in Japan and cleaned it out.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;42477785]Why not?
What about being arousing is mutually exclusive to verisimilitude?[/QUOTE]
That's not even what I'm arguing, but okay.
[editline]10th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Thlis;42477789]And how does that dehumanize the character when it isn't even official?
Do you also get mad at fan fiction writers for dehumanizing Chewie?[/QUOTE]
Well, A, this is the internet, fandoms will happily grab whatever they feel pleases them, whether it be making up an appearance of a news announcer because they don't have an official one or even shipping.
I don't get mad, I actually find it funny because on some level, they could just be really bad writers. Also, I don't go near fan fiction for the most part to avoid all that shite.
Also, ya don't fuck with the Wookies.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42477831]That's not even what I'm arguing, but okay.[/QUOTE]
I'm not really sure what you're arguing. That when people make porn of a fictional character it dehumanizes them? Which means what exactly?
[QUOTE=Thlis;42477789]And how does that dehumanize the character when it isn't even official?
Do you also get mad at fan fiction writers for dehumanizing Chewie?[/QUOTE]
That exists?
There really are no exceptions.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;42477854]I'm not really sure what you're arguing. That when people make porn of a fictional character it dehumanizes them? Which means what exactly?[/QUOTE]
I'm arguing, and this is a radical idea, that the fandom of something can have a greater effect on the visual message then the original piece of work.
someone give money to shadbase to make kev levine x elizabeth rule 34.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42477868]I'm arguing, and this is a radical idea, that the fandom of something can have a greater effect on the visual message then the original piece of work.[/QUOTE]
Elizabeth, as a character, exists within the closed system of the video game known as Bioshock Infinite. No matter what anyone anywhere does, makes, or says, that collection of concerted graphical and audio assets is unaffected.
How would the existence of something outside of the story change what the things inside of the story communicate? Unless you're saying that the creation of pornography causes sweeping societal upheaval, changing the normative view of fiction itself.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;42477923]Elizabeth, as a character, exists within the closed system of the video game known as Bioshock Infinite. No matter what anyone anywhere does, makes, or says, that collection of concerted graphical and audio assets is unaffected.
How would the existence of something outside of the story change what the things inside of the story communicate? Unless you're saying that the creation of pornography causes sweeping societal upheaval, changing the normative view of fiction itself.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're missing my point.
Lets take My Little Pony, its a show about friendship. LOOK AT THE SHEER VOLUME OF PORN made for it. The supposed disgusting nature of its fandom has completely eclipsed the original show.
And things outside of the existence of stories tends to change the story inside anyway in many shows, books and video games. Just because the story is a closed system doesn't mean someone can't write inside that closed system, that's why there's a thing called adaptation.
Not sure why people are arguing against this
Surely when you work on something and it gets bastardized like that you have all the rights to be upset.
Not like he threatened to sue people that did it, he just said he does not approve.
Imagine being at the beach and someone just comes over and takes a dump over your sandcastle
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42477948]Not sure why people are arguing against this
Surely when you work on something and it gets bastardized like that you have all the rights to be upset.
Not like he threatened to sue people that did it, he just said he does not approve.
Imagine being at the beach and someone just comes over and takes a dump over your sandcastle[/QUOTE]
I don't think there's anything like being "rightfully upset". There are things that you like and that you don't like, and some might make you upset, but if you get vocally upset about something you cannot stop, it comes off as rather futile and sad.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42477946]Again, you're missing my point.
Lets take My Little Pony, its a show about friendship. LOOK AT THE SHEER VOLUME OF PORN made for it. The supposed disgusting nature of its fandom has completely eclipsed the original show.[/QUOTE]
That would be people judging and looking at the fandom. That has nothing to do with the show itself.
[editline]10th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42477948]Not sure why people are arguing against this
Surely when you work on something and it gets bastardized like that you have all the rights to be upset.
Not like he threatened to sue people that did it, he just said he does not approve.
Imagine being at the beach and someone just comes over and takes a dump over your sandcastle[/QUOTE]
It's more like looking at someone's sandcastle, making a duplicate, then taking a dump on it.
The original sandcastle is intact. It is untouched.
If somebody drew porn of a character I created I'd consider it a great success of my career.
Also pray that Ken never looks up "Little Sister" on paheal.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;42476312][url]http:///rule34.paheal.net/[/url] has 99% crap but there's a golden 1% on there.[/QUOTE]
Oh god theres one of her getting banged by shrek.
Why
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42477948]Not sure why people are arguing against this
Surely when you work on something and it gets bastardized like that you have all the rights to be upset.[/QUOTE]
It screams of "mai waifu".
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42477948]
Imagine being at the beach and someone just comes over and takes a dump over your sandcastle[/QUOTE]
Inaccurate, Imagine someone draws a copy of your sandcastle with a turd on it and then posts it on a turd appreciation website. Never actually sending a copy to you.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;42477345]To be honest, she was probably getting R34 before the game even came out.
The internet works fast, and it is merciless.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, the very first time I have seen that character was in some early trailer and my reaction was "HAHAHA, BLATANT BOOBAGE" and since I have never played the game, it sorta surprised me to hear that the author is so frustrated about sexualization of character that stuck in my memory as intended to be sexual, so he sorta brought it upon himself (or whoever was responsible for that model back then, did).
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42477990]I don't think there's anything like being "rightfully upset". There are things that you like and that you don't like, and some might make you upset, but if you get vocally upset about something you cannot stop, it comes off as rather futile and sad.[/QUOTE]
There is no such thing as rightfully and wrongfully upset, there's just being upset
Are you seriously suggesting that we should not complain about things we cannot change? You'd make a great politician.
But in all seriousness, he just mentioned it in an AMA, you're kind of blowing out of proportion the magnitude of his statement.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;42478018]
It's more like looking at someone's sandcastle, making a duplicate, then taking a dump on it.
The original sandcastle is intact. It is untouched.[/QUOTE]
But intellectual property like this is unique and recognizable, unlike sandcastles. When someone looks at it, he thinks "Hey that's Mr. Scorpio's sandcastle! Someone took a dump over it!". When you become a successful and popular sandcastle builder, it would be upsetting to know that someone is taking your sandcastle designs and taking a dump over it, after you worked so hard to get the perfect shape
[QUOTE=PieClock;42477122]It's the internet. You can find porn of toasters with ease. Of course creating a female character in a game who's main audience is a bunch of teenage boys and young adults is going to spawn a bit of porn around that character. Fair enough if he doesn't want to see his character like it but it's idiotic to ask for people to stop making it, because it's just not gonna happen.[/QUOTE]
Oh, of course. It's incredibly silly of him to say "please stop," because I'd know it's not going to happen.
To use his analogy, similarly, it's like having a porn star for a daughter. You know what she does, and you know how a lot of people see her, but are people going to tell you to get over it? Probably not, but you're going to look awfully silly if you say "please stop releasing porn of my daughter."
I understand his upsetness, but him asking for it all to stop is naive.
[QUOTE=Thlis;42478117]It screams of "mai waifu".
[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkYz722lWIk[/media]
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42478146]
When someone looks at it, he thinks "Hey that's Mr. Scorpio's sandcastle! Someone took a dump over it!". When you become a successful and popular sandcastle builder, it would be upsetting to know that someone is taking your sandcastle designs and taking a dump over it, after you worked so hard to get the perfect shape[/QUOTE]
If you can't deal with what people will do with your creation then you shouldn't create it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;42478225]And that is all still completely separate to my own work and as such is of no consequence.
Here you go
[thumb]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44691607/tryin%202%20make%20histry.png[/thumb]
Go ahead. I made that. Put a dick on it, cover it in swastikas. Do whatever. The original version, the one I made, that's still right here on my computer.
.[/QUOTE]
I will make you kawaii robo-chan
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42478146]But intellectual property like this is unique and recognizable, unlike sandcastles. When someone looks at it, he thinks "Hey that's Mr. Scorpio's sandcastle! Someone took a dump over it!". When you become a successful and popular sandcastle builder, it would be upsetting to know that someone is taking your sandcastle designs and taking a dump over it, after you worked so hard to get the perfect shape[/QUOTE]
And that is all still completely separate to my own work and as such is of no consequence.
Here you go
[thumb]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44691607/tryin%202%20make%20histry.png[/thumb]
Go ahead. I made that. Put a dick on it, cover it in swastikas. Do whatever. The original version, the one I made, that's still right here on my computer.
[editline]10th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=LegndNikko;42478178]Oh, of course. It's incredibly silly of him to say "please stop," because I'd know it's not going to happen.
To use his analogy, similarly, it's like having a porn star for a daughter. You know what she does, and you know how a lot of people see her, but are people going to tell you to get over it? Probably not, but you're going to look awfully silly if you say "please stop releasing porn of my daughter."
I understand his upsetness, but him asking for it all to stop is naive.[/QUOTE]
someone who takes fiction that seriously is emotionally unhinged.
A construct of the imagination should not have the same emotional weight in your mind as a living thing.
[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42477948]Not sure why people are arguing against this
you have all the rights to be upset.
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[QUOTE=Ryo Ohki;42478146]There is no such thing as rightfully and wrongfully upset, there's just being upset
[/QUOTE]
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Are you seriously suggesting that we should not complain about things we cannot change? You'd make a great politician.[/quote]
No, I explaining why it's laughable. I am not saying he should be kept from doing that, I am saying he's nothing but ridiculing himself.[quote]
But in all seriousness, he just mentioned it in an AMA, you're kind of blowing out of proportion the magnitude of his statement.
[/quote]
How? It doesn't matter where he made the statement. It's a funny statement to make, no matter if it were in privacy or for press[quote]
But intellectual property like this is unique and recognizable, unlike sandcastles. When someone looks at it, he thinks "Hey that's Mr. Scorpio's sandcastle! Someone took a dump over it!". When you become a successful and popular sandcastle builder, it would be upsetting to know that someone is taking your sandcastle designs and taking a dump over it, after you worked so hard to get the perfect shape[/quote]
Then I would be flattered that somebody was so intrigued by my particular sandcastle that they found it worthwhile to not only remake it, but to put the effort into covering it in shit, on top of that.
And mind me, I don't find shitcastles appealing, but the fact that somebody clearly does still means that my sandcastle had some qualities I didn't even expect it to have.
It might just be my own personal opinion on R34, but it seems silly to me to get worked up over your character being in porn. I mean, it's going to happen eventually, especially if the character is a competent female lead. Just like actual sex is in a normal person's life, R34 is an inevitability in the "life" of a fictional character.
While it's certainly jarring to see something that's literally your child (in the sense that you made it over a long period of time with lots of care and effort) getting railed for the amusement of one or more people, it's also an inevitability you have to deal with. Just like having an actual kid, one day they will literally get fucked, you won't be able to prevent it, and you'll just have to accept it as a natural inevitability.
Ken, man, let her go.
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