Holocaust Memorial Day 2016: Soaring anti-Semitism in Europe 'the reality Jews have to live in' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fayez;49648240]Obviously it's the Muslim migrants, because one event 70 years ago has clearly eradicated over a thousand years of antisemitism. No way it could ever come back.[/QUOTE] I'm not quite sure whether you're joking or not, but that effect only exists in Germany for the most part afaik, and even then there's plenty of that left here among certain groups anyway. It's true that the average German is very against anti-semitism though.

Na. Antisemitism is pretty embedded in European culture all together.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49648970]Na. Antisemitism is pretty embedded in European culture all together.[/QUOTE] Yet everyone points to Muslim immigrants first when they hear of a rise in antisemitism in Europe. It's barely restrained in existing European culture and that was only because of 70 years of deliberate policy against it. A few arab immigrants won't somehow make Europe more antisemitic that it already is or could be.

I think I worded that wrongly too. My mistake. I was more thinking about European history. I mean, in every major medieval city of Europe you'll find historical traces of antisemitism. Also I think we should not forget that Semites includes most people from Soutwestasia. I'm not saying "Arabs" because that would include a lot of Africans and Brazilians

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49648368]the irony of hearing this on a forum that has casually traded in blatantly antisemitic jokes since LMAO pics first started[/QUOTE] Alright, I posted the merchant meme. I must literally be /pol/, Hitler, and ISIS incarnated. Its time for me to obviously start the second holocaust because of a .jpg in a facepunch JOKE thread.

[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;49649112]Alright, I posted the merchant meme. I must literally be /pol/, Hitler, and ISIS incarnated. Its time for me to obviously start the second holocaust because of a .jpg in a facepunch JOKE thread.[/QUOTE] What use does this infantile exageration have except debating points that were never made. Can we, like, stop radicalizing ourselves?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49649139]What use does this infantile exageration have except debating points that were never made. Can we, like, stop radicalizing ourselves?[/QUOTE] I just find it completely silly that one would take the memes posted on LMAO pics seriously and a result of the rising anti semitism in europe, and then call Facepunch users antisemitic. If it was posted on /pol/ with serious context Yeah, that may be a problem. But this Facepunch, in LMAO pics.

[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;49649149]I just find it completely silly that one would take the memes posted on LMAO pics seriously and a result of the rising anti semitism in europe, and then call Facepunch users antisemitic. If it was posted on /pol/ with serious context Yeah, that may be a problem. But this Facepunch, in LMAO pics.[/QUOTE] Then why not say it like that and make a reactionary childish post? Back to topic. It's still symptomatic for the acceptance. We can take other examples. Like the length of the thread of the Paris attacks on a Jewish shops compared to others. The discussions about Israel in SH. As I said. We had an OUTRAGE against Jews when the last Gaza war started. That was long before the Refugees arrived.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49648212]I'm interested in where this antisemitism is coming from. I wonder if people are tired of feeling bad for stuff like WWII and the inverse took over as a result. It's just a thought that isn't based on anything, but I always thought it would loop like that in somewhere like Germany, who has had historic troubles with the government unable to move on past the whole Nazi thing.[/QUOTE] I have never got this line of thinking. I have never seen examples of people in current day being shamed for the holocaust, because why would they, most where not even alive when it happen. I mean where are people being asked to feel bad for the holocaust?

it's not that muslims are more likely to rape people than europeans, its a [I]male problem[/I] it's not that muslims are more likely to detest jews than europeans, its a [I]european cultural problem[/I] lol

When nations like Iran are publicly denying the holocaust (among other Islamic states) you can still see antisemitism is very prevalent in their cultures. Europe has been trying to make amends for this since WW2, from making it illegal to be antisemitic or even denying war crimes to funding Israel's creation and security. It seems obvious the rise in Islam in Europe correlates with the rise of antisemitism.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49648970]Na. Antisemitism is pretty embedded in European culture all together.[/QUOTE] Maybe that's a central European thing. I mean I have worked with a lot of middle-aged super racist people over the years. They will tell racist jokes and say disgusting things all the time, but it's always either about black people or Muslims. All the Jew jokes I have ever seen have come from the internet.

Europeans are still plenty antisemitic, it's just less obvious. I've been called a kike and asked if my kippa hid horns by Europeans. I've felt less safe in De Gaulle airport than when I was in Eastern Jerusalem

While making jokes on the internet is far from antisemitic, I think it kinda makes more people be antisemitic, or opens a window for them. Of course you can argue only an idiot would start to actually hate jews from a few jokes on the internet, but isn't that basically what Hitler did with his propaganda? The propaganda was basically just a bunch of jokes about how Jews have big noses, and are greedy. Jokes on the internet are the same. Obviously most people like me and you aren't going to start killing jews because of LMAO pics, but if the wrong person looks at it they may not see it as a joke, and it might start brewing antisemitic feelings they already have.

[QUOTE=Zestence;49649353]Maybe that's a central European thing. I mean I have worked with a lot of middle-aged super racist people over the years. They will tell racist jokes and say disgusting things all the time, but it's always either about black people or Muslims. All the Jew jokes I have ever seen have come from the internet.[/QUOTE] A lot of muslims are semites

[QUOTE=Killuah;49649534]A lot of muslims are semites[/QUOTE] Antisemitism means hatred against Jews. Hatred against Muslims is Islamophobia. Semites like the Palestinians and the Iraqis can still be antisemitic.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49649668]You are right,It seems the term changed its meaning over the years.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Origin_and_usage_in_the_context_of_xenophobia"]No it didn't[/URL].

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49648369]Jokes are jokes. You can make a disparaging joke that generalizes a group of people without hating that group.[/QUOTE] i mean they just perma'd a couple of guys who were like, a step away from denying the holocaust, so idk man

[QUOTE=lope;49649522] but isn't that basically what Hitler did with his propaganda? The propaganda was basically just a bunch of jokes about how Jews have big noses, and are greedy. [/QUOTE] Do you get all of your knowledge of history from caricatures? Because from those two sentences it sure does look like it.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49648368]the irony of hearing this on a forum that has casually traded in blatantly antisemitic jokes since LMAO pics first started[/QUOTE] People who think joking about minorities and offensive stuff makes you inherently against it turn out to be one of the most ignorant folk.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49649758]People who think joking about minorities and offensive stuff makes you inherently against it turn out to be one of the most ignorant folk.[/QUOTE] Serious question, does that allow me as an Israeli to make jokes about slaughtering Palestinians?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;49649777]Serious question, does that allow me as an Israeli to make jokes about slaughtering Palestinians?[/QUOTE] My guess would be as long as it's funny.

how the fuck people can get away with saying shit like [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49648267]Arabs and Nazis generally both hate Jews.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;49648161]Its an interesting situation that European Jews are in. European governments are bringing in millions of migrants from the Islamic world that absolutely despise Jews. Which has empowered nationalists that also generally hate Jews.[/QUOTE] and not get thrown out for being a racist/xenophobe is amazing literal generalisations about arabs and for some reason people think this is OK [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] better inform a few of my arabic friends that they actually hate jews, sorry guys

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49649798]how the fuck people can get away with saying shit like and not get thrown out for being a racist/xenophobe is amazing literal generalisations about arabs and for some reason people think this is OK [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] better inform a few of my arabic friends that they actually hate jews, sorry guys[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#Opinion_polling"]Well[/URL]... [QUOTE]In 2008 A Pew Research Center survey found that negative views concerning Jews were most common in the three predominantly Arab nations polled, with 97% of Lebanese having unfavorable opinion of Jews, 95% in Egypt and 96% in Jordan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49648994]Yet everyone points to Muslim immigrants first when they hear of a rise in antisemitism in Europe. It's barely restrained in existing European culture and that was only because of 70 years of deliberate policy against it. A few arab immigrants won't somehow make Europe more antisemitic that it already is or could be.[/QUOTE] "a few" arab immigrants lmfao

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49649798]how the fuck people can get away with saying shit like and not get thrown out for being a racist/xenophobe is amazing literal generalisations about arabs and for some reason people think this is OK [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] better inform a few of my arabic friends that they actually hate jews, sorry guys[/QUOTE] The Arabic media still spreads the Blood Libel I'm going to start quoting from Wikipedia, so assume all quotes are from wiki unless they are marked as not [QUOTE]Jordan does not allow entry to Jews with visible signs of Judaism or even with personal religious items in their possession. The Jordanian ambassador to Israel replied to a complaint by a religious Jew denied entry that security concerns required that travelers entering the Hashemite Kingdom not do so with prayer shawls (Tallit) and phylacteries (Tefillin).[43] Jordanian authorities state that the policy is in order to ensure the Jewish tourists' safety.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Antisemitism is common within religious circles. Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, the imam of the Grand mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, has been described as an antisemite[51][52] for publicly praying to God to 'terminate' the Jews[53] Saudi Arabian media often attacks Jews in books, news articles, at their Mosques and with what some describe as antisemitic satire. Saudi Arabian government officials and state religious leaders often promote the idea that Jews are conspiring to take over the entire world; as proof of their claims they publish and frequently cite The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as factual.[54][55] One Saudi Arabian government newspaper suggested that hatred of all Jews is justifiable. "Why are they (the Jews) hated by all the people which hosted them, such as Iraq and Egypt thousands years ago, and Germany, Spain, France and the UK, up to the days they gained of power over the capital and the press, in order to rewrite the history?"[56] Saudi textbooks vilify Jews (and Christians and non-Wahabi Muslims): according to The Washington Post, Saudi textbooks claimed by them to have been sanitized of antisemitism still call Jews apes (and Christians swine); demand that students avoid and not befriend Jews; claim that Jews worship the devil; and encourage Muslims to engage in Jihad to vanquish Jews.[57][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The Hamas, an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, has a foundational statement of principles, or "covenant" that claims that the French revolution, the Russian revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists. It also claims the Freemasons and Rotary clubs are Zionist fronts and refers to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[68] Claims that Jews and Freemasons were behind the French Revolution originated in Germany in the mid-19th century.[69][/QUOTE] Also, look at the Jewish Nakba. The Jews didn't leave because of the love and tolerance of the Arabs. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries[/URL]

[QUOTE=Svinnik;49649834]The Arabic media still spreads the Blood Libel I'm going to start quoting from Wikipedia, so assume all quotes are from wiki unless they are marked as not Also, look at the Jewish Nakba. The Jews didn't leave because of the love and tolerance of the Arabs. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries[/URL][/QUOTE] cool, so in america where muslims are generally disliked [img]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2014/07/PF_14.07.16_interreligiousRelations_ALL.png[/img] [img]http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Blogs/markaz/2015/12/09-what-americans-think-of-muslims-and-islam-telhami/attitudes_toward_islam01.jpg?la=en[/img] would i be right in saying that you, as an american, dislike muslims? [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] or that "americans hate muslims"

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49649857]cool, so in america where muslims are generally disliked would i be right in saying that you, as an american, dislike muslims?[/QUOTE] What are you doing? You could make the assumption that within a random selection of americans, the majority will dislike muslims.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49649857]cool, so in america where muslims are generally disliked would i be right in saying that you, as an american, dislike muslims?[/QUOTE] Judging by the huge following Trump has, yeah I'd say America in general has problems with Islamophobia.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49649857] [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] or that "americans hate muslims"[/QUOTE] You could say that in general, americans dislike muslims.