Holocaust Memorial Day 2016: Soaring anti-Semitism in Europe 'the reality Jews have to live in' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49650289]Define terrorist for me. If we apply that label to any dumb hick who shoots at a police car because of the gubmint then the word has virtually no impact and is just as meaningless as "vandal" or "thug" So you're saying you agree with me... ? I thought this was part of your renowned "Wow, comparing racism to toast is so fucking offensive shitlord!" argument.[/QUOTE] no, it's not acceptable to ascribe racist views to people on the colour of their skin/their country of origin and no, i'm not defining terrorist for you, because once again, you're trying to weasel your way out of studies that say you're wrong you're wrong, most terrorists are white people, no amount of intellectual backflipping will get you out of this

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49650298]no, it's not acceptable to ascribe racist views to people on the colour of their skin/their country of origin and no, i'm not defining terrorist for you, because once again, you're trying to weasel your way out of studies that say you're wrong you're wrong, most terrorists are white people, no amount of intellectual backflipping will get you out of this[/QUOTE] You're a bit slow, aren't you? My point is that Billy McHills who's gonna take a few shots at a police car because Obongo and his gubmint want to take his guns isn't terrorism. That terrorism is more like a few jets being hijacked and deliberately crashed, killing thousands. Even if we all agree that any possibly politically motivated violence = terrorism, we also have to agree that the combined anger of 1,000 hillbillies hasn't destroyed the World Trade Center. Even if you're right about quantity, you aren't about impact.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49650298]no, it's not acceptable to ascribe racist views to people on the colour of their skin/their country of origin and no, i'm not defining terrorist for you, because once again, you're trying to weasel your way out of studies that say you're wrong you're wrong, most terrorists are white people, no amount of intellectual backflipping will get you out of this[/QUOTE] Translation: I won't define what makes a person a terrorist, just trust me that most terrorist are white people under my hidden definition. Also, you can't deny that the governments of most, if not all, Arab governments are anti-semitic.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;49650314]Translation: I won't define what makes a person a terrorist, just trust me that most terrorist are white people under my hidden definition. Also, you can't deny that the governments of most, if not all, Arab governments are anti-semitic.[/QUOTE] hidden definition also known as the one used by other people not deliberately trying to prove that muslims are mostly terrorists [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] translation: i can't argue against statistics so i'll desperately try and argue my way around them [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49650310]You're a bit slow, aren't you? My point is that Billy McHills who's gonna take a few shots at a police car because Obongo and his gubmint want to take his guns isn't terrorism. That terrorism is more like a few jets being hijacked and deliberately crashed, killing thousands. Even if we all agree that any possibly politically motivated violence = terrorism, we also have to agree that the combined anger of 1,000 hillbillies hasn't destroyed the World Trade Center. Even if you're right about quantity, you aren't about impact.[/QUOTE] once again i don't care about what your definition of terrorist is, because it isn't relevant

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49650321]hidden definition also known as the one used by other people not deliberately trying to prove that muslims are mostly terrorists [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] translation: i can't argue against statistics so i'll desperately try and argue my way around them[/QUOTE] what is the definition they're using? do you even know?

A [URL="http://www.verwey-jonker.nl/doc/2015/114034%20Antisemitisme%20onder%20jongeren%20in%20Nederland.pdf"]study[/URL] done in request of the Anne Frank foundation in the Netherlands found that a large majority of the surveyed muslim youths here have positive opinions about Dutch jews, but quite a large chunk of the surveyed muslims did have negative views towards jews in Israel (although this was still a minority). I've seen this come back in a documentary where this American jewish man came over to Israel and had an interview with a Palestinian kid. The kid had negative opinions about jews in Israel, but later the interviewer told the boy that he was jewish, and then the kid just said that the interviewer was an American jew, and that that was different. So for a lot of muslims it basically all comes back to the Israel-Palestine issue, apparently.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49650333]what is the definition they're using? do you even know?[/QUOTE] [URL]http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/methodology.html[/URL] kudos to them for remaining neutral

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49650351]A [URL="http://www.verwey-jonker.nl/doc/2015/114034%20Antisemitisme%20onder%20jongeren%20in%20Nederland.pdf"]study[/URL] done in request of the Anne Frank foundation in the Netherlands found that a large majority of the surveyed muslim youths here have positive opinions about Dutch jews, but quite a large chunk of the surveyed muslims did have negative views towards jews in Israel (although this was still a minority). I've seen this come back in a documentary where this American jewish man came over to Israel and had an interview with a Palestinian kid. The kid had negative opinions about jews in Israel, but later the interviewer told the boy that he was jewish, and then the kid just said that he was an American jew, and that that was different. So for a lot of muslims it basically all comes back to the Israel-Palestine issue, apparently.[/QUOTE] it is not surprising that young muslim from europe like jews (mostly because it has nothing to do with the religion). they were born and raised in an environment that doesn't have anti-semetic propaganda taught in schools and there is no general cultural acceptance of anti-semitism. they haven't been "brainwashed" (although i dislike that term) into believing israel is evil and israeli jews are subhuman unlike many (not all but an appreciable chunk) of people who have been born and raised in countries on or around the arabic peninsula.

There's also this vid, I don't think it's been posted on here before. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFvf8v-nNMI[/media] They're shouting "Jude, Jude, feiges Schwein, komm heraus und kämpf allein" in German. [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] I can see why some jews would be *quite* uncomfortable in Europe nowadays. [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] ^ The above vid is (not) rather old. [url=https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/israel-angriffe-demonstrationen-100.html]It's an anti-Israel protest in Germany by arabs who marched to a synagogue[/url] and started shouting that. Wondering why not *one* of them were arrested, though.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;49649239][url]https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fpolitik%2Fdeutschland%2Farticle108659406%2FTuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html&edit-text=&act=url[/url] [img]https://i.imgur.com/HWCyEKo.png[/img][/QUOTE] Just a note: [I]Die Welt[/I] has been an [I]Axel Springer[/I] publication since 1953. [I]Axel Springer SE[/I] is infamous for shoddy and sensationalist journalism: Their main publication is [I]Bild[/I], which is [B]very[/B] high on the list of worst trash pieces in Europe, and even otherwise their standards for unbiased reporting are worryingly low. [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49650527][...] [url=https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/israel-angriffe-demonstrationen-100.html]It's an anti-Israel protest in Germany by arabs who marched to a synagogue[/url] and started shouting that. Wondering why not *one* of them were arrested, though.[/QUOTE] Probably because that's likely a made-up assertion or exaggeration. The article you linked shows that quite a few people were arrested (for other things though). Regarding those paroles, state prosecutors are mentioned as taking up investigations (also in that article). Do you have a source regarding the process being cancelled or do I have to take your word for it?

[B]←[/B] 1949 "The Jews need to leave, all they do is cause problems for everyone else." 1950 [B]→[/B] "Isreal shouldn't even exist, all it does is cause problems for everyone else."

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49650351]A [URL="http://www.verwey-jonker.nl/doc/2015/114034%20Antisemitisme%20onder%20jongeren%20in%20Nederland.pdf"]study[/URL] done in request of the Anne Frank foundation in the Netherlands found that a large majority of the surveyed muslim youths here have positive opinions about Dutch jews, but quite a large chunk of the surveyed muslims did have negative views towards jews in Israel (although this was still a minority). I've seen this come back in a documentary where this American jewish man came over to Israel and had an interview with a Palestinian kid. The kid had negative opinions about jews in Israel, but later the interviewer told the boy that he was jewish, and then the kid just said that the interviewer was an American jew, and that that was different. So for a lot of muslims it basically all comes back to the Israel-Palestine issue, apparently.[/QUOTE] It's not exactly surprising that people aren't too fond of a country (or the citizens of said country) when said country is shooting white phosphorous missiles at them. [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49650994][B]←[/B] 1949 "The Jews need to leave, all they do is cause problems for everyone else." 1950 [B]→[/B] "Isreal shouldn't even exist, all it does is cause problems for everyone else."[/QUOTE] The difference is that israel is actually doing these things and there is a hell of a lot of proof about it. Also "the jews" can't be guilty of something because people are individuals, but a country certainly can be because it's only one entity. A single jewish person can be guilty of theft, but that doesn't mean that jews are thieves; however, if Israel does something, and there's proof, then that means that Israel is guilty because Israel is only one entity.

Yes because people in Berlin are being attacked directly by Israeli white phosphorous

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49650298]no, it's not acceptable to ascribe racist views to people on the colour of their skin/their country of origin and no, i'm not defining terrorist for you, because once again, you're trying to weasel your way out of studies that say you're wrong you're wrong, most terrorists are white people, no amount of intellectual backflipping will get you out of this[/QUOTE] Obviously not good to judge individuals but for societies as a whole its fair. [QUOTE]The American south of the 1860s was racist[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]not all southerners bro[/QUOTE] [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] This is just being obtuse.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49650321]hidden definition also known as the one used by other people not deliberately trying to prove that muslims are mostly terrorists [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] translation: i can't argue against statistics so i'll desperately try and argue my way around them [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] once again i don't care about what your definition of terrorist is, because it isn't relevant[/QUOTE] Kay, whitey's evil. It's evident that this belief is an integral part of your political views and there's no changing that. You'll continue to weasel out of defining terrorism and continually cite a dubious study. Let me ask you this: How many people have died as a result of """terrorism""" committed by white republican hillbillies, versus terrorism committed by jihadists? What is the single most deadly terrorist attack perpetrated by white republican hillbillies? What impact have white republican hillbilly """terrorists""" had on the world? Can you list 10 terrorist attacks committed by white republican hillbillies?

[QUOTE=Fayez;49648240]Obviously it's the Muslim migrants, because one event 70 years ago has clearly eradicated over a thousand years of antisemitism. No way it could ever come back.[/QUOTE] Nah, no anti-Semitism is being important by the Muslim migrants... none.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;49651680]Nah, no anti-Semitism is being important by the Muslim migrants... none.[/QUOTE] There's probably some amount of anti-Semitism with the Muslims, but none that's out of the ordinary for the country and none the detracts from the blame that everyone should share right now.

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49651609]Kay, whitey's evil. It's evident that this belief is an integral part of your political views and there's no changing that. You'll continue to weasel out of defining terrorism and continually cite a dubious study. Let me ask you this: How many people have died as a result of """terrorism""" committed by white republican hillbillies, versus terrorism committed by jihadists? What is the single most deadly terrorist attack perpetrated by white republican hillbillies? What impact have white republican hillbilly """terrorists""" had on the world? Can you list 10 terrorist attacks committed by white republican hillbillies?[/QUOTE] there was the oklahoma city bombing, the Ultøya/Oslo attacks, that dude who crashed his plane into an IRS building, and that guy who executed those black people in the church. i would consider all of these terrorism

Let's not forget the IRA

also the Unabomber

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49651609]Kay, whitey's evil. It's evident that this belief is an integral part of your political views and there's no changing that. You'll continue to weasel out of defining terrorism and continually cite a dubious study. Let me ask you this: How many people have died as a result of """terrorism""" committed by white republican hillbillies, versus terrorism committed by jihadists? What is the single most deadly terrorist attack perpetrated by white republican hillbillies? What impact have white republican hillbilly """terrorists""" had on the world? Can you list 10 terrorist attacks committed by white republican hillbillies?[/QUOTE] The fact that you are pitting "whites" against extremists is enough for anyone with half a braincell to see what kind of dude you are and what to make of your posts. And this one is like I am back in highschool. "Oh yeah?Can you name 3 incidents were pop tarts really exploded pidgeons?"

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49651901]also the Unabomber[/QUOTE] and attacks on abortion clinics and people affiliated with them

Can we ..like... not give in to the racism by sorting terrorists by skin colour?

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49651880]there was the oklahoma city bombing, the Ultøya/Oslo attacks, that dude who crashed his plane into an IRS building, and that guy who executed those black people in the church. i would consider all of these terrorism[/QUOTE] You're right, there are a lot of non-Muslim terrorists, but there's one big difference. All of the people you listed were loners with disparate intentions and goals. They're all individuals doing terrorism for individual purposes. Muslim terrorists, on the other hand, almost always have some connection with the wider world of Muslim extremism. They are part of an organization, and are attempting to further a goal with at least millions of worldwide supporters. Basically, we have half the attacks done by individuals, and the other half done by a single ideology. It's obvious that you focus on the ideology because if you stop it, then you stop half the attacks. If you stop an individual, then you stop a single attack. [editline]1st February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;49651965]Can we ..like... not give in to the racism by sorting terrorists by skin colour?[/QUOTE] Skin color, definitely, but it's silly to not sort terrorists by motivating ideology.

The IRA was an organization.

[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49652226]The IRA was an organization.[/QUOTE] Yes, and it would have been perfectly fine to specifically target them as well.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49651925]The fact that you are pitting "whites" against extremists is enough for anyone with half a braincell to see what kind of dude you are and what to make of your posts. And this one is like I am back in highschool. "Oh yeah?Can you name 3 incidents were pop tarts really exploded pidgeons?"[/QUOTE] Nice to have you back, Killuah. If you read his posts you would know that he explicitly stated that most terrorists are white. [QUOTE]The IRA was an organization. [/QUOTE] Hasn't been active in 30 years, never been active within the US. [QUOTE]and attacks on abortion clinics and people affiliated with them [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]also the Unabomber[/QUOTE] Tens of people dead over the course of 50 years. [QUOTE]there was the oklahoma city bombing, the Ultøya/Oslo attacks, that dude who crashed his plane into an IRS building, and that guy who executed those black people in the church. i would consider all of these terrorism [/QUOTE] Oslo attacks aren't relevant to a discussion about the US. Between the rest of these attacks, you have 170 deaths over the course of 20 years. None of the attackers were part of any greater organization, either. 2,996 people died in the 9/11 attack. The attack was planned beforehand and executed by an organization. One attack, motivated by Islam, has caused more damage than all terrorist acts committed by the white republicans that have been accused. Even if we can agree that more attacks are committed by right-wingers, it's evident that Muslims have caused much, much more damage and perpetrated attacks in a much, much more organized manner. The 9/11 attackers weren't insane. The San Bernardino shooters weren't insane. Dylann Roof, Robert L. Dear, the Unabomber, they were very clearly mentally ill. Likewise, the 9/11 and San Bernardino attackers were organized. All those right-wingers mentioned above, were not.

I'm afraid of people who want to model the United States economic model after Europe. I think that the problems in Europe are heavily tied to their liberal-progressive approach to politics and economics, and I don't think Europe is something we want to emulate.