• Florida church cancels mans funeral when they find out he was gay
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[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;45640335]The purpose of the pastor is to relay Christ's sanctification of the Church and his redemption for each of us, that is why the Christian funeral service is centered on how the deceased has been redeemed just as the rest of the laity (since the traditional Christian funeral service is only open to those who have died as Christians). It is through the teaching of this redemption that we as Christians are comforted and that is why from our perspective there is no comfort to be had in the funerary service of someone who is not Christian. The funerary service is a great honour to have after one's death, it's not a simple service given out in exchange for money. It is the result of a life of devotion to the Church through offerings, fellowship, worship, but most of all grace. While I don't regard Baptists as very orthodox, it is definitely in our tradition to only hold funerary services for the members of our respective churches so that we do not lie to those present in comforting them or sharpen their grief by revealing the truth.[/QUOTE] Not all funerals are the same. I'd originally mentioned my mother's funeral in my post, but then thought maybe it was inappropriate. But her funeral had very little to do with scripture. Instead we looked back on her life and felt the emotions of human beings. It's a part of the grieving process. Also---eternal damnation for one sin that doesn't even harm anybody? I thought Jesus forgives.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;45638625]I'm sure that you, as a Brit, have an accurate grasp on life in America.[/QUOTE] We've got the entire fucking Internet at our fingertips any time of the day, anywhere we want. I'm pretty sure we can get a cohesive view of life in the States pretty easily yeah. [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] Seriously, the logic in you post is on par with "well you're not a cook! you don't know food!" [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;45640335]The funerary service is a great honour to have after one's death, it's not a simple service given out in exchange for money.[/QUOTE] Nah, I'm fairly sure a funeral today is exactly that. You pay money and make arrangements with your local Church to have a service so your family can see you off. The world is becoming increasingly irreligious, or at least apathetic to it, old things like funerals have changed their meaning significantly to a majority of the population.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45640535]We've got the entire fucking Internet at our fingertips any time of the day, anywhere we want. I'm pretty sure we can get a cohesive view of life in the States pretty easily yeah. [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] Seriously, the logic in you post is on par with "well you're not a cook! you don't know food!" [/QUOTE] You can't experience living in another country just from some pictures/videos/text. Also, do remember the US is almost 38x larger than the UK. And life differs [I]hugely[/I] from place to place.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;45640479]Not all funerals are the same.[/QUOTE] Yes and that's why religious leaders should be respected in following more orthodox funerary practices as well. [QUOTE]Also---eternal damnation for one sin that doesn't even harm anybody? I thought Jesus forgives.[/QUOTE] He forgives those who admit they have done wrong and recognize only he can redeem them. [QUOTE=hexpunK;45640535]Nah, I'm fairly sure a funeral today is exactly that. You pay money and make arrangements with your local Church to have a service so your family can see you off. The world is becoming increasingly irreligious, or at least apathetic to it, old things like funerals have changed their meaning significantly to a majority of the population.[/QUOTE] Well not from an orthodox Christian perspective, there are still people who follow such practices.
[QUOTE=BoxinShrimp;45638422]Oh for fucks sake. It's shit like this that makes me embarrassed to call myself a christian.[/QUOTE] that's ok because you don't have to assosiate with them although personally I'm not annoyed as an atheist at stupid shit people say about other people I do get pissed at stupid shit atheists say however this is because you and me both know better than to be dicks about beliefs. And you knowing not to shove your belief in peoples face just makes you [I]better[/I] than them
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45640535] Nah, I'm fairly sure a funeral today is exactly that. You pay money and make arrangements with your local Church to have a service so your family can see you off. The world is becoming increasingly irreligious, or at least apathetic to it, old things like funerals have changed their meaning significantly to a majority of the population.[/QUOTE] Essentially every church I know doesn't charge for funeral services for attendees. I know 100% that that mine doesn't.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45640535]We've got the entire fucking Internet at our fingertips any time of the day, anywhere we want. I'm pretty sure we can get a cohesive view of life in the States pretty easily yeah. [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] Seriously, the logic in you post is on par with "well you're not a cook! you don't know food!" [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] Nah, I'm fairly sure a funeral today is exactly that. You pay money and make arrangements with your local Church to have a service so your family can see you off. The world is becoming increasingly irreligious, or at least apathetic to it, old things like funerals have changed their meaning significantly to a majority of the population.[/QUOTE] if the internet can truly tell everything about a country you are not doing yours any favors
It sickens me that these pieces of shit call themselves Christian. [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;45640535]We've got the entire fucking Internet at our fingertips any time of the day, anywhere we want. I'm pretty sure we can get a cohesive view of life in the States pretty easily yeah. [editline]9th August 2014[/editline] Seriously, the logic in you post is on par with "well you're not a cook! you don't know food!"[/QUOTE] Reading about a place on the internet isn't on par with living there, home skillet. You're getting your info from fucking Sensationalist Headlines. God help us if you genuinely think that's an accurate representation of life in the US.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;45641383]as someone that lives in the us (actually called the united states of racism and sexism in the constitution) i live under constant gunfire from rednecks as i eat hamburgers that make me fatter by the minute also i hate all other nations and hope they get destroyed in nuclear hellfire god bless[/QUOTE] i just got shot such is life
[QUOTE=hexpunK;45640535]We've got the entire fucking Internet at our fingertips any time of the day, anywhere we want. I'm pretty sure we can get a cohesive view of life in the States pretty easily yeah. [/QUOTE] no you can't
[QUOTE=.Lain;45643413]no you can't[/QUOTE] Why not? If I'd said "I've got this whole forum", sure, I'd be totally wrong. But with the entire internet I have access to hundreds of thousands of differing opinions of life in any given state of the US, and most of the world (maybe not China). I can read various forums, blogs, journalistic pieces, academic writings, etc. Its not too hard to build up an idea of the state of affairs for a country and the average inhabitant when you have near unlimited information available. There's no reason for " yeah you don't live here fuck off" to be counted as valid in any developed nation in a period of our lives where we are massively connected and sharing tons of information freely.
[QUOTE=BoxinShrimp;45638422]Oh for fucks sake. It's shit like this that makes me embarrassed to call myself a christian.[/QUOTE] It's shit like this why I have renounced my Christianity. I can't agree with an institution that is so hateful and backwards.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;45638299][I]"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, [B]there is only the force.[/B]"[/I] [B]Yoda 28BBY[SW][/B][/QUOTE] Seems legit
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45643481]It's shit like this why I have renounced my Christianity. I can't agree with an institution that is so hateful and backwards.[/QUOTE] To call the religion backwards and hateful because of the actions of its members is pretty ignorant.
I can't tell from that article but did they hide the fact this guy was gay? Because the only way I see what this church did as wrong is if they knew he was gay, accepted the task of doing the funeral, then changed their mind. If someone is planning a funeral for someone who was gay, and they want it done with religious involvement, it's a no-brainer to inform the church people of that fact. They may not want to be involved and it's their right to say no.
A lot of hate for the pastor but I think he wasn't that wrong. Do I agree with denying the man a funeral based on his sexuality? No. But the pastor went about it in a really professional manner for disagreeing with the lifestyle choices of the deceased man. The pastor believed that he could not provide a funeral service based on his personal beliefs. I respect his personal beliefs to the same level as the deceased mans' personal beliefs.
[QUOTE=Lepaz;45643525]To call the religion backwards and hateful because of the actions of its members is pretty ignorant.[/QUOTE] This is the same institution that is publicly fighting against birth control in all forms, women's rights, and gay rights all the way at the very top in the Vatican. This isn't just a few freak occurrences I'm talking about.
So if God doesn't want the church to bury gays what the fuck are we supposed to do with them, just let them lie around? I've never heard the part of the bible where it says gays don't get funerals
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45643736]This is the same institution that is publicly fighting against birth control in all forms, women's rights, and gay rights all the way at the very top in the Vatican. This isn't just a few freak occurrences I'm talking about.[/QUOTE] I believe that's the fault of the church, not the religion. Specifically the Catholic Church, which is one of many denominations of Christianity.
[QUOTE=Lepaz;45643777]I believe that's the fault of the church, not the religion. Specifically the Catholic Church, which is one of many denominations of Christianity.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, because I actually did mean I renounced Roman Catholicism. I'm not saying what I do or do not believe in, I meant to say I stopped identifying as a Roman Catholic. Stupid mistake.
[QUOTE=BoxinShrimp;45638422]Oh for fucks sake. It's shit like this that makes me embarrassed to call myself a christian.[/QUOTE] With you all the way.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45643855]I'm sorry, because I actually did mean I renounced Roman Catholicism. I'm not saying what I do or do not believe in, I meant to say I stopped identifying as a Roman Catholic. Stupid mistake.[/QUOTE] Ah. My bad!
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;45638625]I'm sure that you, as a Brit, have an accurate grasp on life in America.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;45638527]Might be better leaving that tired, shitty joke out of the thread tbh[/QUOTE] I think both of you managed to miss the point completely I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of american exceptionalism and all that hoohaa, not trying to pretend i know what it's like in america...
Is he a baptist?
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;45643764]So if God doesn't want the church to bury gays what the fuck are we supposed to do with them, just let them lie around? I've never heard the part of the bible where it says gays don't get funerals[/QUOTE] You seem to be suggesting that only religious people can do funerals. Not only that, but funeral rites predate any current religion. Until I see information to the contrary here's what I think happened. His family wanted them to do the funeral, but figured 'don't ask/don't tell' was in play. We won't mention he was gay, unless they ask. Why would they ask? The answer is of course they wouldn't. So the funeral is on. Then the church people either did ask, or someone told them, at the last minute. Finding out they'd been tricked, they declined to do the funeral.
[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;45643664]A lot of hate for the pastor but I think he wasn't that wrong. Do I agree with denying the man a funeral based on his sexuality? No. But the pastor went about it in a really professional manner for disagreeing with the lifestyle choices of the deceased man. The pastor believed that he could not provide a funeral service based on his personal beliefs. I respect his personal beliefs to the same level as the deceased mans' personal beliefs.[/QUOTE] i don't think cancelling a funeral service the day before it was scheduled can really be called professional
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;45644155]You seem to be suggesting that only religious people can do funerals. Not only that, but funeral rites predate any current religion.[/QUOTE] From the perspective of the Bible, which is an expansive religion just like almost every other popular religion, always seeking members and shit, the ideal is that everyone in the world should be Christian and it's written for Christians. So unless the Bible gets that a huge sizable chunk of the population isn't Christian then it would only account for a Christian population. Basically what I'm saying is that in an ideal world for these people where everyone's a Christian what are we supposed to do with all the gay dead guys
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;45638434]Might be better as: Land of the free!* *(as long as you're rich white straight and male)[/QUOTE] go back to tumblr
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;45644455]From the perspective of the Bible, which is an expansive religion just like almost every other popular religion, always seeking members and shit, the ideal is that everyone in the world should be Christian and it's written for Christians. So unless the Bible gets that a huge sizable chunk of the population isn't Christian then it would only account for a Christian population. Basically what I'm saying is that in an ideal world for these people where everyone's a Christian what are we supposed to do with all the gay dead guys[/QUOTE] Christianity is generally against acting out one's gay desires, not being gay in itself. No church I've ever been to would turn away a person simply because they had homosexual tendencies in the same way that they wouldn't turn away someone who has addictive tendencies. If you actually read the verses about homosexuality they have to do with homosexual acts, not homosexual desires.
[QUOTE=JgcxCub;45638399]Land of the free!* *(unless you're gay black or female)[/QUOTE] You do realize it's a predominantly black church and T.W. Jenkins is a black pastor, right?
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