Sen. Sanders plans to ammend the Keystone XL pipeline bill by attaching an ammendment that will have
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you know 100 years ago the US began to attack the socialists and populists full force during wwI and after
maybe the ghost of WEB Dubois is here to save us
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46936400]No pretty much all of your "liberals" are conservative leaning to the rest of the world[/QUOTE]
no they really aren't. Maybe in the 90's, but today, countries like France and England have managed to top.
not to mention, French and English political parties have gotten away with a lot more racism than most American political parties can openly get away with.
America isn't as conservative as it used to be and Europe isn't as liberal.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;46936570]no they really aren't. Maybe in the 90's, but today, countries like France and England have managed to top.
not to mention, French and English political parties have gotten away with a lot more racism than most American political parties can openly get away with.
America isn't as conservative as it used to be and Europe isn't as liberal.[/QUOTE]
Well I know Canada doesn't mean much at all but you're all pretty right leaning in our opinions
Yeah some extremes have popped up across the world, but the bulk of your politicians would fall in the more right leaning spectrum, would they all be extreme? No, but they'd be spattered across the right spectrum and you'd be lucky to even find a few democrats that aren't more conservative than not
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;46936515]you know 100 years ago the US began to attack the socialists and populists full force during wwI and after
maybe the ghost of WEB Dubois is here to save us[/QUOTE]
Right... 100 years ago when the progressives took over the government, the socialists actually scored a percent of the us vote and Americans enacted sweeping government regulation and anti-corruption reforms as well as sweeping congressional reforms reigning back the speaker of the house , ya tots fighting socialism...
[editline]14th January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=dark soul;46935341]Other then the fact that it would create a cap load of jobs and is a hell of a lot safer for the environment then fraking. It's alot easier to stop an oil leak on land then it is on the middle of the ocean.[/QUOTE]
Tar sands are 100% worse than fracking
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;46936515]you know 100 years ago the US began to attack the socialists and populists full force during wwI and after
maybe the ghost of WEB Dubois is here to save us[/QUOTE]
Strange... Last time I checked, the Non-Partisan League of North Dakota is still a thing, and to this day, almost all legislation enacted by it in the 1920's, is still in effect.
Including but very much not limited too: [url=http://banknd.nd.gov/]State bank[/url] which has been keeping our unemployment at 2% or lower, [url=https://www.ndmill.com/]state ran grain mills which are the largest in the country[/url], state mining groups, and several programs specifically designed to keep major foreign companies from taking over North Dakotan businesses. Such as how Measure 7 was overwhelmingly shot down by the North Dakotan voter because we prefer to keep our pharmaceutical businesses within North Dakota.
Do not be fooled by anyone stating that socialism is dead in this country. The only difference between our breed of socialism and other countries breeds of socialism is that ours is specifically designed to work with capitalism hand and hand, and protects local economic interest.
Is everyone missing the facts here?
The Keystone Pipeline is a terrible idea for a few reasons:
1.) Several hundred [b]very temporary[/b] construction jobs with very few operational costs.
2.) A dozen or so native tribes have threatened to literally move entire towns in the path of this thing to prevent construction ([url]http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/17/sioux-tribe-keystone-xl-pipeline-south-dakota-act-of-war[/url])
3.) It threatens the [b]biggest freshwater aquifer in North America[/b]. Jobs be damned if we contaminate the biggest source of drinking water for 20 million people, because the cost of cleanup will make the money made off of the actual pipeline look like chump change. ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/keystone-xl-pipeline-may-threaten-aquifer-that-irrigates-much-of-the-central-us/2012/08/06/7bf0215c-d4db-11e1-a9e3-c5249ea531ca_story.html[/url])
Long story short, [b]it's not fucking worth it[/b]. Not even close.
So what exactly are the Sioux in South Dakota going to do..? Bitch and whine? If they close down the reservations, they'll reflectively just hurt any income they get from tourism, as well as probably get the shit chewed out of them by local governments and the federal government. If they try anything stupid such as destroying the pipes, they'll probably have the National Guard of South Dakota called on them, and that'll be that.
As it stands, they have no legal ground. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliphant_v._Suquamish_Indian_Tribe]Oliphant v. Suquamish[/url] reaffirmed that they pretty much have no jurisdiction over non-natives, and if they attempt to do anything such as arresting people for going on or near their lands, they are really just climbing up the wrong tree.
[QUOTE=OvB;46935313]?[/QUOTE]
Relatively speaking. It's a lot cheaper to purchase/move it from Canada than, say, Saudi Arabia.
Smartest move I seen in a while.
What I really want to see is lobbying in all forms to be banned. I highly doubt that will happen though...
[QUOTE=dark soul;46935341]Other then the fact that it would create a cap load of jobs and is a hell of a lot safer for the environment then fraking. It's alot easier to stop an oil leak on land then it is on the middle of the ocean.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OvB;46935352]It's not going to stop fracking. It's transporting bitumen from the Canadian oil sands. Which, will be transported to someone regardless of if it's us or not.[/QUOTE]
Every time I see "fracking" I immediately cringe as if I'm reading a post made by an eight-year-old who can't say "fuck."
Those children have given me an emotional reaction to a work that should be entirely normal.
[QUOTE=Sableye;46936761]Right... 100 years ago when the progressives took over the government, the socialists actually scored a percent of the us vote and Americans enacted sweeping government regulation and anti-corruption reforms as well as sweeping congressional reforms reigning back the speaker of the house , ya tots fighting socialism...
[editline]14th January 2015[/editline]
Tar sands are 100% worse than fracking[/QUOTE]
i'd say that the socialists being arrested in masse during wwI along with any other progressives who spoke out against the war was a negative thing.
I mean, good job.
It's 2014, and congress just acknowledged that we have an effect on the climate.
I guess it's a step forward, but it's pretty fucking late.
Thank God, this pipeline thing was a big corporation bullshit deal anyway.
[QUOTE=gk99;46950325]Every time I see "fracking" I immediately cringe as if I'm reading a post made by an eight-year-old who can't say "fuck."
Those children have given me an emotional reaction to a work that should be entirely normal.[/QUOTE]
imagine a kid's segment of battlestar galactica like "sonic sez" that teaches kids about the dangers (or benefits) of hydraulic fracturing
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46936400]No pretty much all of your "liberals" are conservative leaning to the rest of the world[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware every country on the planet had started merging into one mega-government.
My post was strictly referring to United States politics. And in US politics, my statements are correct. The fact that Canada's liberal party is more liberal than ours is completely and utterly irrelevant. If this was about world politics you'd be right. But it isn't.
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