U.S. court rejects Texas voter ID law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37474893] yes its shocking that people scrounging and saving just to pay rent and feed their kids cheap fast food don't have $25 laying around.[/QUOTE] When you've lived that lifestyle and realized how little money $25 is, yea it's pretty strange.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37474978]When you've lived that lifestyle and realized how little money $25 is, yea it's pretty strange.[/QUOTE] clearly if $25 was "little money" you weren't living a lifestyle in which it wasn't?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37474978]When you've lived that lifestyle and realized how little money $25 is, yea it's pretty strange.[/QUOTE] Yeah clearly you've never had that lifestyle. 25 dollars is a lot of money when don't have much.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37474988]clearly if $25 was "little money" you weren't living a lifestyle in which it wasn't?[/QUOTE] Well obviously not, that would be self contradictory. However, scrounging and paying for rent and buying "cheap fast food"(which is actually fucking expensive), doesn't necessarily mean $25 is a lot of money. $25 doesn't really pay for much in the USA, maybe food for a day or two depending on family size. Not to mention you can't legally drive without a photo ID, which makes it exceptionally hard to work or take care of a family. [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37475003]Yeah clearly you've never had that lifestyle. 25 dollars is a lot of money when don't have much.[/QUOTE] You're in no position to tell me what lifestyle I have or have not lived.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37475091] You're in no position to tell me what lifestyle I have or have not lived.[/QUOTE] It's really painfully obvious

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37475213]It's really painfully obvious[/QUOTE] I think it's strange that you claim to advocate for the poor and don't even recognize someone disadvantaged when they tell you they have been.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37475091]Well obviously not, that would be self contradictory. However, scrounging and paying for rent and buying "cheap fast food"(which is actually fucking expensive), doesn't necessarily mean $25 is a lot of money. $25 doesn't really pay for much in the USA, maybe food for a day or two depending on family size. Not to mention you can't legally drive without a photo ID, which makes it exceptionally hard to work or take care of a family. You're in no position to tell me what lifestyle I have or have not lived.[/QUOTE] "i cant believe poor people have trouble finding $25!!" "how dare you say i was never poor" lmao [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] im sure you were "poor" at some point but the fact is there are people out there to which $25 is a lot of money, regardless of whether it ever was to you or not. this may shock you but there are people out there in worse situations than you!

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37475268]"i cant believe poor people have trouble finding $25!!" "how dare you say i was never poor" lmao[/QUOTE] "Poor people will have trouble doing this!" "Oh really? I have been poor my entire life so it's strange to see how that would happen." "Well obviously you were never poor to begin with if you don't fit into my criteria for what constitutes poor that I constructed specifically to make it so you can't comment on being poor." Way to marginalize bro.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37475291]"Poor people will have trouble doing this!" "Oh really? I have been poor my entire life so it's strange to see how that would happen." "Well obviously you were never poor to begin with if you don't fit into my criteria for what constitutes poor that I constructed specifically to make it so you can't comment on being poor." Way to marginalize bro.[/QUOTE] "i was poor once and i had $25 so everyone that can't find $25 is full of shit" yeah sorry nobody cares about you and your struggle, this still affects people whether you like to admit it or not

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;37474834]For God's sakes, "Having to show an ID to vote is fascism!" That's ridiculous. In Canada you have to prove residence in the riding you vote in, as I'm sure you do in Britain and [b]Australia[/b], and it prevents voter fraud and has never ONCE been accused of oppressing minority voters, as literally everyone has a birth certificate or immigrant card.[/QUOTE] Australia has no form of identification system; you can pretty much stroll in and vote as whoever you want as long as the Australian Electoral Commission has said persons name on the list.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37475091]Well obviously not, that would be self contradictory. However, scrounging and paying for rent and buying "cheap fast food"(which is actually fucking expensive), doesn't necessarily mean $25 is a lot of money. $25 doesn't really pay for much in the USA, maybe food for a day or two depending on family size. Not to mention you can't legally drive without a photo ID, which makes it exceptionally hard to work or take care of a family.[/QUOTE] You're completely wrong. You just said right there in your post that $25 can pay for a day's meal. A lot of people live hand to mouth, and forcing them to pay $25 dollars in order to vote is undemocratic. Also, have you ever heard of New York City? Thousands of people don't have cars because they don't need them. People can walk from their home to their job. Same goes in most other big cities as well.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37475320]"i was poor once and i had $25 so everyone that can't find $25 is full of shit" yeah sorry nobody cares about you and your struggle, this still affects people whether you like to admit it or not[/QUOTE] I never said it doesn't affect anyone, in fact I stated the opposite. I was commenting on how I personally felt it strange. I mean if someone says the idea of black holes is strange do you immediately chime in saying "WELL YEA BUT YOU AREN'T AN ASTROPHYSICIST OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE REAL!" Finding somthing strange doesn't necessarily mean that I think it's untrue. There are weirder things out there. It also doesn't mean I am privileged, although I might be relatively privileged compared to other people.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;37475369]I never said it doesn't affect anyone, in fact I stated the opposite. I was commenting on how I personally felt it strange. I mean if someone says the idea of black holes is strange do you immediately chime in saying "WELL YEA BUT YOU AREN'T AN ASTROPHYSICIST OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE REAL!" Finding somthing strange doesn't necessarily mean that I think it's untrue. There are weirder things out there. It also doesn't mean I am privileged, although I might be relatively privileged compared to other people.[/QUOTE] generally when you come into a thread about voter id laws and question whether or not $25 really matters to poor people it sort of implies you're doubtful about it.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37475438]generally when you come into a thread about voter id laws and question whether or not $25 really matters to poor people it sort of implies you're doubtful about it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=yawmwen;37474555]I'm not disagreeing, I'm commenting on what I find to be an interesting bit of information.[/QUOTE] Did you just miss this?

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;37470951][url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-08-30/texas-voter-id-law/57435332/1[/url][/QUOTE] Just gonna remind everyone that the amount of voting fraud incidents during the 2008 election was 86 or something. Also, didn't most of the states that had the voter ID law passed republican run states? Seems like an obvious waste of money and a less obvious way to take the poor (and mostly Democrat) voting population's vote away from them.

[QUOTE=Keegs;37471083]Minorities are less likely to HAVE a license or ID in the first place, yes they could get one but some people might just not vote simply because of the extra step, eliminating the Voter ID law helps to ensure that the most people vote.[/QUOTE] To be honest, it's not a bad thing if voter id weeds out the people who are like "I voted for him cause he's black" or "I voted for him because he's not Obama" or "I voted for him because his name was first on the list." That just leaves the people who really do care as opposed to the lowest common denominators. It seems to me that it's people's laziness and procrastination that will stop them from voting; not and id card.

If you ask me, I'd prefer the US to push in for a mandated federal ID first. It's still relatively alien to me that a first world country does not have something like that. After that step is done you can put up ID restrictions for voting. But there first has to be a mandatory ID.

I was always for this general idea though of presenting ID to vote.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;37481885]If you ask me, I'd prefer the US to push in for a mandated federal ID first. It's still relatively alien to me that a first world country does not have something like that. After that step is done you can put up ID restrictions for voting. But there first has to be a mandatory ID.[/QUOTE]There was talk of RFID chips being used a few years ago which go everyone up in arms, both supporters and opponents. But to put it in perspective how impossibly difficult that would be to implement, we had a thread on here recently about Texans threatening to shoot utility workers trying to install modern, up-to-date power meters on houses because they said the government was going to use it to track them. Can you imagine what they would do if you told them they had to have something like a Federal ID like you're suggesting?