Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Quark:;52674091]For the sake of discussion, let's speculate and assume that the royalty of Saudi Arabia as well as much of the formal government knew, as well as the President of the United States. What does that make it?[/QUOTE] A preventable job

Schrodinger's job

[QUOTE=Quark:;52673831]If there's evidence that Saudi Arabia was involved in the 9/11 attacks, and evidence that the US government was aware of the attacks beforehand, is that not considered an inside job if they didn't prevent the attacks? Or if they used the attacks to invade Afghanistan and Iraq? At the very least isn't that a gross deception?[/QUOTE]If being the operative word. The latter doesn't make it an inside job, just scummy govt. abuse of circumstances like usual; like politicians over here using the Turku stabbings as an excuse to try and push through a snooper's charter.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52674091]For the sake of discussion, let's speculate and assume that the royalty of Saudi Arabia as well as much of the formal government knew, as well as the President of the United States. What does that make it?[/QUOTE] "If" this were the case, it wouldn't make a difference. The US won't go to war with their #1 customer of bombs and tanks; it doesn't make strategic sense or economic sense. We won't sanction them because then how are we going to sell bombs to them? [editline]12th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Faunze;52674103]I'd honestly argue that the POTUS didn't know jack shit about it, probably a few higher up officials with the fingers in the pie's ready to go. The whole fucking thing stinks, along with the collapse of the 3 towers.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to say that the towers collapsed for other reasons than being on fire and having planes flown into them?

I remember thinking that anybody that questioned the offical story of 9/11 was a simple nutcase ever since I was a little boy. Now I questioning it. Not saying it isnt a inside job but seeing how the U.S government responded, plus the super aggressive laws against their own citizens including the patroit act. I wouldn't be surprised if some government officals knew about it and let it happened. IIRC there also a guy who died at 9/11 who was government that tried to warn everybody about the attacks beforehand due to rumors maybe a year before the event. It was a old story, does anybody else remember?

I've debated 9/11 on and off for nearly 12 years now, much to my detriment. Anything that can be said, has been said, to be honest. The prospect of rogue elements in the House of Saud, and thus the Saudi government, supporting extremists is rather dull and unsurprising. That being said, the Saudi govt. should punish such elements to the fullest extent possible, or be made to if necessary. [editline]13th September 2017[/editline] America's response during and after was widely recognized as inadequate, and led to wide-reaching reforms particularly in the air force.

I thought this was already known though? I mean, it isn't a secret that Saudi Arabia funds a lot of extremist groups. Yes there is no undoubtful truth, but come the fuck on...

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52674334]"If" this were the case, it wouldn't make a difference. The US won't go to war with their #1 customer of bombs and tanks; it doesn't make strategic sense or economic sense. We won't sanction them because then how are we going to sell bombs to them? [editline]12th September 2017[/editline] Are you trying to say that the towers collapsed for other reasons than being on fire and having planes flown into them?[/QUOTE] Don't take it from me. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8W-t57xnZg[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW81Cd7nNH8[/media]

Experts from varying fields, from engineering to explosives and so on, have disputed dozens of official claims given to us by the Government concerning 9/11. If these claims can be validly disputed, and the Government can be shown to have been dishonest about their claims, is it really tinfoil-esque to assume they played an even larger role in the attacks than people think they did? A few years ago, challenging any of the official explanations for the 9/11 attacks was enough to brand you as a "truther" or a "conspiracy theorist" or "crazy" but I guess calling people crazy is an effective way of tearing them down, and ruining their credibility.

As someone who's been interested in conspiracy theories for ages, including 9/11, it's both fascinating and somewhat validating to see the general consensus take such a sharp turn so quickly.

There was very harsh backlash against anyone who questioned any details of the attacks in recent years. Being labeled as crazy, schizo, paranoid, delusional, and so on is/was common place among people who question the details. For example, [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/UQYVXWO.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/3142ahB.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/prwogcS.png[/IMG] And so on. Note the tags on the last two.

[QUOTE=Kierany9;52679183]As someone who's been interested in conspiracy theories for ages, including 9/11, it's both fascinating and somewhat validating to see the general consensus take such a sharp turn so quickly.[/QUOTE] Where's the validation of 9/11 conspiracies?

[QUOTE=Quark:;52679195]There was very harsh backlash against anyone who questioned any details of the attacks in recent years. Being labeled as crazy, schizo, paranoid, delusional, and so on is/was common place among people who question the details. For example, And so on. Note the tags on the last two.[/QUOTE]Maybe because 9/11 conspiracy theories are patently absurd and have been so for 16 years.

Sorry, but that's just your opinion. We're still learning new stuff about the 9/11 attacks, such as details implicating the Saudi Government of being involved in the attacks as well as our own government having knowledge of the attacks before they happened. You can call it absurd but it's still your opinion.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52679940]Sorry, but that's just your opinion. We're still learning new stuff about the 9/11 attacks, such as details implicating the Saudi Government of being involved in the attacks as well as our own government having knowledge of the attacks before they happened. You can call it absurd but it's still your opinion.[/QUOTE] It being absurd is an opinion, yeah. it [B]not[/B] being an inside job done deliberately with a controlled demolition is a fact.

[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;52679373]Where's the validation of 9/11 conspiracies?[/QUOTE] I didn't say that it validated any conspiracies, just that it feels validating to see opinion change as new evidence comes to light on something that was previously so set in stone. Also what level of conspiracy theory are we talking about, because there's a huge difference between an engineer discussing contradictions between the official story and the video footage of the collapse, like in the videos posted last page, and some tinfoil crackpot claiming that the illuminati did it or some shit.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;52680331]It being absurd is an opinion, yeah. it [B]not[/B] being an inside job done deliberately with a controlled demolition is a fact.[/QUOTE] I never said it was a controlled demolition though?

[QUOTE=Quark:;52680690]I never said it was a controlled demolition though?[/QUOTE] Yes but 99% of conspiracy theories involve some sort of demolition or some other explosive force which bought down the towers . Literally yesterday I had a friend showing me a video which proved that the planes where actually cruse missiles, because an actual jetliner [B]GOING 590 mph[/B] wouldn't cause that kind of damage to a building. Truthers have gained the reputation the posses for a reason. These conspiracy theories are totally devoid of any sort of intellectual thought and people who push them should be labled as nut jobs [editline]14th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Faunze;52678174]Don't take it from me. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8W-t57xnZg[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW81Cd7nNH8[/media][/QUOTE] I guess we should take it from the guy with a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering. I guess that qualifys him on the subject, an engineer is an engineer right?

9/11 collapse conspiracies are up there with moon landing and flat earth in levels of delusional lunacy required to believe them.

[QUOTE=Kierany9;52680362]I didn't say that it validated any conspiracies, just that it feels validating to see opinion change as new evidence comes to light on something that was previously so set in stone. Also what level of conspiracy theory are we talking about, because there's a huge difference between an engineer discussing contradictions between the official story and the video footage of the collapse, like in the videos posted last page, and some tinfoil crackpot claiming that the illuminati did it or some shit.[/QUOTE] Saudi Arabia being involved in 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy theory. It was more like an open secret.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;52680796]Yes but 99% of conspiracy theories involve some sort of demolition or some other explosive force which bought down the towers . Literally yesterday I had a friend showing me a video which proved that the planes where actually cruse missiles, because an actual jetliner [B]GOING 590 mph[/B] wouldn't cause that kind of damage to a building. Truthers have gained the reputation the posses for a reason. These conspiracy theories are totally devoid of any sort of intellectual thought and people who push them should be labled as nut jobs [editline]14th September 2017[/editline] I guess we should take it from the guy with a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering. I guess that qualifys him on the subject, an engineer is an engineer right?[/QUOTE] As someone who's almost got their bachelor's in electrical engineering lemme tell you exactly why you're both right and wrong. You're right because fuck if I know much about explosive physics and structural engineering. But you're wrong because I can do the math that proves planes can(and did) absolutely fuck up and collapse the WTC. Though I would say the mental ability to do said math isn't engineer level. It's maybe freshman physics level, so actually you're fully right yeah nvm.

[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52681067]As someone who's almost got their bachelor's in electrical engineering lemme tell you exactly why you're both right and wrong. You're right because fuck if I know much about explosive physics and structural engineering. But you're wrong because I can do the math that proves planes can(and did) absolutely fuck up and collapse the WTC. Though I would say the mental ability to do said math isn't engineer level. It's maybe freshman physics level, so actually you're fully right yeah nvm.[/QUOTE] I never took math or physics past high school but the NIST reports are so well written that I could follow them just fine.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52679195]There was very harsh backlash against anyone who questioned any details of the attacks in recent years. Being labeled as crazy, schizo, paranoid, delusional, and so on is/was common place among people who question the details. For example, And so on. Note the tags on the last two.[/QUOTE] And a broken clock is right twice a day.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;52680838]Saudi Arabia being involved in 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy theory. It was more like an open secret.[/QUOTE] It's kind of more than that given we've never taken a single action against Saudi Arabia for their involvement in the attacks

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;52679703]Maybe because 9/11 conspiracy theories are patently absurd and have been so for 16 years.[/QUOTE] This. I really wish my father, who is a professor in civil engineering specialising in steel frame support structures, would record his series of lectures where he demonstrates why planes and fire are enough to bring down the towers. Here's the big kicker - Truthers love to talk about the temperature not being high enough to melt the steel frame, and they're absolutely right. But simply heating up steel causes it to lose tensile strength, which is enough to cause the towers to collapse the way they do. Truthers are ridiculed because their idiots who don't understand materials science and engineering, and forget the basic principle of vast conspiracies - "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately and more simply be explained through incompetence." And before you go "Lol Government Shill!", as is the common truther fall back - My Dad is a lecturer in the UK and doesn't care about the inner-workings of the US government or them being blamed for shit by idiots amongst their own population, he simply uses it as a big case study about damage and the effects of fire on the kind of structures he specialises in.

[QUOTE=Faunze;52678174]Don't take it from me. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8W-t57xnZg[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW81Cd7nNH8[/media][/QUOTE] how about i dont take it from you or those two crock of shit youtube videos

[QUOTE=Quark:;52681384]It's kind of more than that given we've never taken a single action against Saudi Arabia for their involvement in the attacks[/QUOTE] The simple answer for that is as I mentioned previously the incredibly profitable weapons and oil deals we have with them. There's really no pressure on the government to do anything over this so they're never going to just willingly stop that gravy train. What other reason could there be?

[QUOTE=Quark:;52679195]There was very harsh backlash against anyone who questioned any details of the attacks in recent years. Being labeled as crazy, schizo, paranoid, delusional, and so on is/was common place among people who question the details. For example, [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/UQYVXWO.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/3142ahB.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/prwogcS.png[/IMG] And so on. Note the tags on the last two.[/QUOTE] Thats because thinking that anything other than 2 jetliners hitting the twin towed brought them down is complete and utter stupidity. Its blatant fact that the towers were not brought down by any controlled demolitions or Zionist death rays, and its foolish to believe that they were. Believing or theorizing that the twin towers were brought down for reasons other than terrorism is a different story. But you can not blame people for writing off idiots as idiots. [editline]14th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Quark:;52681384]It's kind of more than that given we've never taken a single action against Saudi Arabia for their involvement in the attacks[/QUOTE] Youre misunderstanding the scale of things here. The US government is fucking massive. Dozens of departments and bureaus working in and out of conjunction, and probably some theres no public knowledge or record of. The Saudi Government isn't far off from that. Saying someone in "the government" knew about something doesn't really mean jack shit. Without specifics, you don't know the scale and extent of who knew what. I doubt that Bush and the Saudi leadership were scheming to bring the twin towers down just so Bush could finish Daddy's war in Iraq. Let me give you a historical example of a "government" knowing something. During WWII a team of Polish commandos purposely got caught by the Germans and sent to Auschwitz to gather intelligence about what was going on in the camp. They built a report about the death camp and the Polish resistance smuggled it to British intelligence. The British read the report and filed it away as being unreliable. The British government knew about the Holocaust in 1943 and did nothing about it. See how silly that sounds when you know the context of that information? Thats my point here. We don't know the extent and the specifics of who in what government knew what. A CIA or Homeland security pencil pusher might have seen the report on the dry run and filed it away as an unreliable or foolish report. Theres no sense sitting here speculating conspiracy theories when we don't know the complete context of the information.

[QUOTE=Jon27;52666463]Surely the Bush administration and the security services at the time became aware of this, at least in the blame-game after 9/11. Why oh why did they not do anything about it? ...I know it was oil don't worry.[/QUOTE] Perpetual war more than oil. Read up on the defense industry.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52673799]How long before it's not considered crazy to say 9/11 was an inside job?[/QUOTE] The moment that its proven that the US was complicit in the 9/11 attacks is also the moment half the US sparks into open rebellion. That in and of itself is why I seriously doubt US involvement at any level. The risk so highly outweighs the reward as to be absurd