Ukrainian Gun Owners Association seeking to amend the constitution
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[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44042555]
Any numbers or statistics on those "dozens" who have died since then.
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Nope, because I said "No doubt that it's risen by a few dozen bodies", not "I have solid numbers on these and this post is entirely factual, not speculation". If I could post more recent statistics, I would. Latest article I can find that mentions a recent death toll is 5 days old.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44042555]
Do you have any statistics at all?[/QUOTE]
did you not read that article I posted earlier or?
[editline]25th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cone;44042623]so because [I][B]FREEDOM[/B][/I] you're saying that the preferable outcome would have been protesters being shot down en masse by government forces and the world at large refusing to give a fuck about it
gotcha[/QUOTE]
yeah just like Syria and Libya where the world doesn't/didn't give a fuck about them. Neither of the 2 revolutions received aid or any kind of support, whether it be actual intervention or just medical aid.
oh wait thats not what happened at all.
[QUOTE=Cone;44042623]so because [I][B]FREEDOM[/B][/I] you're saying that the preferable outcome would have been protesters being shot down en masse by government forces and the world at large refusing to give a fuck about it
gotcha[/QUOTE]
No, I'm saying that once the government starts shooting live rounds with the intention of killing unarmed protesters, the time for peaceful revolution has passed, and there is no option but to fight back.
If you believe that a government that shoots at unarmed people in the street will listen to the international community, or listen to reason by a body of people that aren't armed to fight back.... well.. there's no word that can describe how naive you are.
[QUOTE=UziXxX;44042441]It's all up to personal opinion, but I believe the right to be free is a more noble cause than one's self. But if push comes to shove comes to falling down the stairs, sometimes you have to shoot back when someone is taking shots at you.
If that comes at a terrible cost, as unfortunate and horrible as it is, so be it. It's the only way people stay free.[/QUOTE]
That...didn't counter my point at all? If the government is already so corrupt that they are happily shooting unarmed protesters occasionally, arming the protesters isn't going to help. The government [B]will[/B] see that as a threat, and [B]will[/B] start rolling out the big guns. Whilst they are shooting unarmed civilians, the international community will give a fuck, you don't shoot unarmed people.
Look at any of the uprising in the Arab states, the ones where they were armed had a massive increase in deaths, yeah they occasionally succeed faster, but it gives the scarier, less suitable minority groups of extremists a way to install themselves as a power.
[editline]25th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=UziXxX;44042696]No, I'm saying that once the government starts shooting live rounds with the intention of killing unarmed protesters, the time for peaceful revolution has passed, and there is no option but to fight back.
If you believe that a government that shoots at unarmed people in the street will listen to the international community, or listen to reason by a body of people that aren't armed to fight back.... well.. there's no word that can describe how naive you are.[/QUOTE]
They don't have to listen to the international community. That's kinda the point, if we want the world to actually be free of shitlords like this, we have to take part in removing them once they show us they aren't going quietly. Arming civilians with no backing forces is just asking for the government to really fuck them up, rather than just causing a small number of deaths to prove a point (that goes ignored by the protesters anyway).
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44042702]
They don't have to listen to the international community. That's kinda the point, if we want the world to actually be free of shitlords like this, we have to take part in removing them once they show us they aren't going quietly. Arming civilians with no backing forces is just asking for the government to really fuck them up, rather than just causing a small number of deaths to prove a point (that goes ignored by the protesters anyway).[/QUOTE]
I honestly agree with you on this point. Arming civilians obviously isn't the whole solution.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44042031][URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/world/europe/ukraine.html"][/URL].[/QUOTE]
you said hundreds
which is a multiple of 100.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;44038584]Oh and our gun crime is still dropping.[/QUOTE]
Still one of the highest in the world
Their are points and times when to use a firearm, and not use a firearm.
Four boxes, guys. Soap, Ballot, Jury, Cartridge.
What exactly are you happy ? " Opposition " violated an agreement signed yesterday what was expected that this bunch of hooligans who want to overthrow the regime. They are supported by Europe and by the United States that the usual desire of the West is meddling internal affairs of another country and eliminate any stable political structure . They also do not care that they bring Nazis to power who kill not only police officers but also women, the elderly and anyone who did not like it . Do not think it's just an average person who wants to live a normative better kills his people and getting huge foreign funding . Yanukovych limp had to eliminate them even from the start it was clear that Nazi gang finish him and anyone who is not " pure Ukrainian " .
The moderate opposition has long became a minority there. They do not listen at all Lklitz'ko , Liatznok . Maximum Ltinibok - anti-Semitic (and anti- Russian - proposed law on the prison to those who speaks Russian) . You just retarded or blind fine if you think that Ukraine will live better . Never caused a civil war is not good . We saw it in Yugoslavia , we've seen it in Russia. Revolutions only swords economies and certainly when it comes to the Nazis take over the country . Just a shame that we have a country like retarded children , encouraging brainwashed fascists and excited about the revolution.
It is stories , although Ukrainian neither east nor west wants to divide the country in two and probably does not want Russia to annex it , although Ukrainian do not like the government - not the East , it is clear to all politicians are corrupt , but the economy of Ukraine is very dependent on Russia and to make a wage agreement with the EU are should obey the regulations of Europe - which means that many of their industry is going to be injured or simply disappear because it is primitive and can not afford to economic regulations because these two things some people do not rush to make revolutions , but no one great patriot with pictures of Putin and Ianokovic' home.
You dumb that stuff. Nazis and hooligans walking the streets of Ukraine, punishing without trial each right and left , breaking the houses of MPs breaking Jewish homes , are spending laws prohibiting the broadcast of Russian channels , forbid speaking in Russian , burning and killing people . Chief Rabbi of Kiev has been issued a statement in which he asked the Jews to leave. And you're an idiot and an anarchist typical happy.
You're funny . It is not saving states when taking her anti- fascist laws offer - Russian and shouting anti-Semitic slogans . They've destroyed the economy of Ukraine . You as a representative of the left model enjoys anarchy and violence. Not interested and interesting people who are overexposed you come up fascists to power. Leftist utopian ideas always believe never could exist in reality - blind faith bordering stupidity and lack of complete objectivity . Besides the Civil War did not start because of slavery at all, it's the last thing on the side. French Revolution exacted too much of life and the situation has not changed even after 50 years in 1789 . Palmer and many historians agree that it was possible to achieve the same objectives as well with fewer casualties. Likewise, your inability differentiation only shows that you believe in blind faith in any revolution is , without understanding the differences in the background of revolutions and who runs them. situation background to that of France differed significantly anarchy that exists in Ukraine now - Hmrtot different people in different situation different. civil war in Greece did not contribute anything , but only divided the people into two hated each other. internal conflict there continues to this day but left utopian having trouble Analyze the implications as always.
This listing revolutions were not saying that proof of something. Revolutions did not bring anything good and I proved it in my post . Right pro - Rossi is fascist ? Clearly you do not know a drop history of Ukraine. Where are you anyway? Product of the Ministry of Education barely know the history of his country .
Sorry about English, alot of retard here.
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[QUOTE=Gorbachevski;44043530]-snip-[/QUOTE]
He has posted this roughly four times now, and IIRC, he has posted it on /K/.
It might be a good idea to just report him for spam and move on.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44044586]He has posted this roughly four times now, and IIRC, he has posted it on /K/.
It might be a good idea to just report him for spam and move on.[/QUOTE]
I broke it down in 1 of the other threads he posted it in.
Anybody got an unobfuscated version of it?
Everyone has a right to own dangerous weapons! That's why i myself own a nuclear reactor in case of a foreign plot to control my country!
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;44044992]Everyone has a right to own dangerous weapons! That's why i myself own a nuclear reactor in case of a foreign plot to control my country![/QUOTE]
What are you planning to do with it. Throw it at them?
[QUOTE=gudman;44045007]What are you planning to do with it. Throw it at them?[/QUOTE]
The amount of Radiation the thing emits man, all id have to do is bring it to the plotters headquarters or the general area of the planet there in and crank that mother to 11!
[editline]25th February 2014[/editline]
I like to call it my Pocket Fukishima
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;44045044]
I like to call it my Pocket Fukishima[/QUOTE]
Sounds [i]dirty[/i].
[QUOTE=gudman;44045056]Sounds [i]dirty[/i].[/QUOTE]
Its the dirty little bomb in my pants
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;44045069]Its the dirty little bomb in my pants[/QUOTE]
so you shit your pants? :v:
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;44045124]so you shit your pants? :v:[/QUOTE]
Dirty little dirty bomb.
smells just like rotten eggs they say!
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;44044992]Everyone has a right to own dangerous weapons! That's why i myself own a nuclear reactor in case of a foreign plot to control my country![/QUOTE]
You do know that there are people who have made nuclear reactors in their sheds as a hobby, yes?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;44045367]You do know that there are people who have made nuclear reactors in their sheds as a hobby, yes?[/QUOTE]
that could power a single lightbulb...
[QUOTE=NoDachi;44045460]that could power a single lightbulb...[/QUOTE]
With which you could replace your now-inept dick. Win-win.
I'm a huge fan of the right to bear arms, but now is not the best time
I think I've finally made sense of what he said, English is not my main language but I did my best.
[QUOTE]Why exactly are you happy? The "opposition" violated the agreement that was signed yesterday, it was expected because there are a bunch of hooligans that want overthrow the regime.
They're supported by Europe and the United States because like always the desire of the west is to middle in the affairs of other countries and to eliminate any stable political structure.
They don't care that they're also bringing Nazis to power that kill not only policemen but also women, the elderly and anyone they do not like.
I don't think that an average normal person who wants to live better, kills his own men and receives huge foreign aid.
The weak Yanukovych should've eliminated them in the beginning because it was obvious that this group of Nazis will eliminate him and anyone who isn't a "pure Ukrainian".
The militant opposition has long became the minority there. They're not listening to Klitz'ko, Ianz'ok, the only one who they barely listen to is Tinibok the anti-Semite (also anti-Russian that proposed a rule that would imprison anyone who speaks Russian).
You are stupid or completely blind if you think that Ukraine will live better. A civil war never ends in a good way. We saw that in Yugoslavia, we saw it in Russia. Revolutions only ruin economies, especially when there are Nazis who're taking over the country.
It's such a shame that we have brainwashed idiots kids like you that cheer fascists and get excited about revolutions.
Those are just stories, no Ukrainian in the west or the east wants to the divide the country into two sides and definitely doesn't want Russia to annex it.
No Ukrainian loves the government - not even the East, everyone knows that the politicians are corrupt.
Ukraine's economy is really dependent on Russia and to make an trade agreement with the Union they have to abide the European regulations.
That means that a lot of their production is going to get damaged or just disappear because it's primitive and they can't afford the economic price of the regulations.
Because of those 2 things, there are people who're not in a hurry to make revolutions, but no one is a big patriot with pictures of Putin and Yanukovych in their house.
You're funny, it doesn't save countries when they're being overtaken by fascists that propose anti-Russian laws and shout anti-Semitic slogans.
They have already ruined the Ukrainian economy. You're like the representative of the left that enjoys anarchy and violence.
It doesn't interest you that people are burned and it doesn't interest you that fascists are overtaking the country.
A leftist always believes in Utopian ideas that could never exist in reality, Blind faith bordering with stupidity and lack of complete objectivity.
Also the civil war in the USA didn't start because of slavery, that was the last thing that worried both sides.
The French revolution costed too many lives and the situation almost didn't change, even 50 years after 1789.
Palmer and many historians agreed that same goal could've been achieved with less people getting killed, also your lack of ability in differentiation
only shows that you blindly believe in any revolution, without understanding the different backgrounds of the revolutions and without understanding who's behind them.
The background situation that was in French was significantly different than the anarchy that's going on in Ukraine right now, the goals are different.
The civil war in Greece didn't do anything but split the nation in to two sides that hated eachother.
You're an idiot like no other, Nazis and hooligans are walking in the streets of Ukraine, punishing anyone without trial, break into PM's houses, break into houses of Jews,
Propose laws that forbid watching Russian channels, forbid speaking Russian, burn and kill people.
The prime Chief Rabbi of Kiev has already issued a statement in which he asked the Jews to leave, and you're like the typical idiot happy anarchist.
The fact that you presented a list of revolutions doesn't mean that you proved anything, the the revolutions didn't do any good I proved that in my message.
The pro-Russian right is fascistic? It's obvious that you don't even know a little about Ukraine's history. and why would you?, you're a product of the Ministry of Education that barely even knows the history of it's own country.[/QUOTE]
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