• Man Seeking Help From Police Shot, Killed By Officer
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[QUOTE=zerosix;42199671]I don't usually pipe up like this in threads about guns but I'm fucking sick of nutjob gun rights activists thinking it's ok that a man got killed like this. Like, there are people at the start of this thread saying "oh at least the officer was punished" the officer fucking killed a man, he should spend hard time in prison instead of getting off as lightly as he did.[/QUOTE] A cop in prison? I'm sorry but that's a death sentence, if he went to prison there's a very high chance he wouldn't come out alive. Yes, the officer should be punished, he fucked up big-time and killed an innocent man. I don't believe that punishment should be placing him in an environment where almost every single person wants to cut his throat. The reason people are saying "at least he's getting punished" is because there are cops who horrifically abuse their power and get paid leave for legit crimes, not just accidents. Plus, this cop turned himself in. I can't imagine how he must be feeling about this. Also, I'm not trying to start shit here, but why did you bring up gun rights activists? I'm legitimately curious because I haven't seen anyone defending this cop's actions with gun rights issues.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;42198685]If someone is running at you, in all likely-hood they're about to attack. I was in Afghanistan for four years, and if I'm on patrol and someone runs at me, I don't know their intent. I'm sure as hell going to point my gun, yell at them to stop, and fire if they don't.[/QUOTE] Slight Difference sir your a soldier your in a war zone anyone running up to you could be a bomb, that isnt the case in this story these are police they are trained to subdue not to KILL thats the military's job your job. not these police officers they carry pepper spray knight sticks and tasers they had options but opted for their 9mm and now you have a dead man for no reason at all
The cop will not end up being charged. He did the right thing. If you are a cop with a suspect running at you, you are going to shoot to protect your life.
[QUOTE=DELTA440;42210480]Slight Difference sir your a soldier your in a war zone anyone running up to you could be a bomb, that isnt the case in this story these are police they are trained to subdue not to KILL thats the military's job your job. not these police officers they carry pepper spray knight sticks and tasers they had options but opted for their 9mm and now you have a dead man for no reason at all[/QUOTE] Read the article. They tried to use a Taser, it failed because the taser malfunctioned.
[QUOTE=TheCloak;42211520]The cop will not end up being charged. He did the right thing. If you are a cop with a suspect running at you, you are going to shoot to protect your life.[/QUOTE] Innocent civilians life > cops life. He did not do the right thing.
lolwhat the gun malfunctioned? kinda like when the suspect "trips and falls" at the station and breaks both his legs, an arm, and has a purple face? [editline]16th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42211525]Read the article. They tried to use a Taser, it failed because the taser malfunctioned.[/QUOTE] oic [editline]16th September 2013[/editline] oh i misread it the first time, completely skipped over stun gun.. slightly less bothered now.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;42211973]Innocent civilians life > cops life. He did not do the right thing.[/QUOTE] and how exactly were they meant to know he was innocent? The reason they were there was a report of suspicious activity about the man and he started RUNNING at them after being told to stop.
This shit happened like 5 blocks away from me. Charlotte is a scary place don't go there.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;42199669]A police officer dies in the UK to a knife like once every 5-10 years. We actually train and equip ours.[/QUOTE] Mind uh, showing us where these statistics come from?
Even though our homicide rates have been down for the past two years our school system is complete shit and shit like this don't surprise me. Don't be surprised that we will hear about this for weeks from now Damn lurker my automerge
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42198581]I can kind of empathize with the cops. The guy could have easily pulled out a knife or something. Its hard to really say much since there isn't much information to go on.[/QUOTE] But why shoot him several times? I'm sure if he was shot once he would have just collapsed out of sheer confusion and fear. Situations like these are always hard to determine what the correct action would be.
[QUOTE=zerosix;42199646] so the likeliness of it causing any lasting damage is low) is better than an innocent man being killed[/QUOTE] The danger cops have to face on the job should limited as much as possible. In the US, the criminals have guns, which is also starting to happen in the UK more.
Its not a decision on what [I]would be[/I] the correct action, but rather was the action taken reasonable. In this case, they dont think so. The officer is being charged.
[QUOTE=maqzek;42201303] Yeah? I don't see why he couldn't. What are you gonna do if you see a guy running towards you and your pal? What if both of you have some boxing and/or fighting experience?[/QUOTE] I think you've watched too many movies Don't underestimate the knife
I feel like there's a problem in America where we have this idea that a policeman's life is worth ten times as much as anyone else's. In these topics I always see people argue that it's preferable to kill a man who might be innocent than to have a policeman get injured. I think police have that same mindset, and that's why there are so many people getting shot and tazed to death.
i think its more of a case of when your primary tool is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails.
[QUOTE=DeEz;42214619]I think you've watched too many movies Don't underestimate the knife[/QUOTE] I didn't mean that they were more than capable of handling a guy with a knife, but more along the lines 'they should've used sidearm when it was really needed' Really, even if it wasn't a guy looking for help, killing him because he COULD kill is is justified? It's like people risking their lives to save someone. Sure, if they didn't risk, nobody would tell them they did wrong, but they made their choice and my point is that an officer made that choice when they accepted the job. [editline]16th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Helix Snake;42215388]I feel like there's a problem in America where we have this idea that a policeman's life is worth ten times as much as anyone else's. In these topics I always see people argue that it's preferable to kill a man who might be innocent than to have a policeman get injured. I think police have that same mindset, and that's why there are so many people getting shot and tazed to death.[/QUOTE] Man, I think this is what I actually meant.
[QUOTE=c0nk3r;42212397]lolwhat the gun malfunctioned? kinda like when the suspect "trips and falls" at the station and breaks both his legs, an arm, and has a purple face? [editline]16th September 2013[/editline] oic [editline]16th September 2013[/editline] oh i misread it the first time, completely skipped over stun gun.. slightly less bothered now.[/QUOTE] This same idiotic post comes up every time tasers are mentioned so let me be brief about it: tasers malfunction a lot, they have terrible range, terrible accuracy, and plenty of times just plain don't work. Why do we have to go through this every single time?
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;42216435] Why do we have to go through this every single time?[/QUOTE] Because a innocent person died? Sorry some of us would've preferred that not to happen.
[QUOTE=Van-man;42216446]Because a innocent person died? Sorry some of us would've preferred that not to happen.[/QUOTE] I'm referring to how in every thread like this someone completely overestimates the capability of tasers and tries to tout them as the perfect solution to all police related problems (in this case claiming it's unlikely or even impossible for a taser to fail), then 3-4 people explain all the shortcomings of tasers and why in reality they're extremely impractical devices, and then this same thing happens over and over in every thread of this nature. Generally when an argument has been completely debunked it's best to stop using it, but someone always does anyway.
[QUOTE=TheCloak;42211520]The cop will not end up being charged. He did the right thing. If you are a cop with a suspect running at you, you are going to shoot to protect your life.[/QUOTE] The problem is 'suspect', suspect in what? There was NO crime! The cop shot a guy for running. Running while black is a crime in No Carolina? Running towards a cop maybe? So how close can you get when you run towards a cop before they're allowed to kill you, when the only thing you've done is run towards them? That's the issue. These cops are acting as if they can decide right then and there if a person's actions deserve the death penalty, even if no one has been hurt, no crime has been committed, and in fact even if the cops in question haven't established that any 'danger' exists.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;42219245]The problem is 'suspect', suspect in what? There was NO crime! The cop shot a guy for running. Running while black is a crime in No Carolina? Running towards a cop maybe? So how close can you get when you run towards a cop before they're allowed to kill you, when the only thing you've done is run towards them? That's the issue. These cops are acting as if they can decide right then and there if a person's actions deserve the death penalty, even if no one has been hurt, no crime has been committed, and in fact even if the cops in question haven't established that any 'danger' exists.[/QUOTE] [quote]Officers responded to a "[b]breaking and entering[/b]" 911 call at a home in Charlotte. The homeowner told dispatchers that a man had been knocking on her door repeatedly. Police say that when they got to the scene, a man matching the caller's description ran toward them.[/quote] There was a crime reported, as far as the police were aware: the man was a robber who'd just broken into an occupied house and was fleeing the scene, and charging directly at them.
So I was just reading the OP and the actual news article. I noticed in the OP, which I assume was quoted directly from the article, that it mentions the tazer malfunctioned. However, reading the article itself on CNN, it just says it was "unsuccessful." Did CNN edit it or did the OP change some wording around?
[QUOTE=Plattack;42220986]So I was just reading the OP and the actual news article. I noticed in the OP, which I assume was quoted directly from the article, that it mentions the tazer malfunctioned. However, reading the article itself on CNN, it just says it was "unsuccessful." Did CNN edit it or did the OP change some wording around?[/QUOTE] Cnn edit it seems, the taser didn't affect him seemingly, either only 1 prong hit or he had too thick of clothing.
Do police shout "stop or we'll open fire" or is that a movie thing?
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;42219297]There was a crime reported, as far as the police were aware: the man was a robber who'd just broken into an occupied house and was fleeing the scene, and charging directly at them.[/QUOTE] No, there was no crime. The police were sent out to investigate. It even says the homeowner told dispatchers that it was about someone 'knocking on her door'. So when the cops arrive their job is to find out what the hell is going on, what actually happened. That phone call could be a phony report, it could be a person mistaking a friend or relative for a burglar, it could simply be a crazy old lady. The cops don't know until they investigate, that's the point. Instead, at least one of the cops was ready to immediately start shooting someone. There is no way it should be acceptable that an innocent civilian is deliberately killed by a cop, that's against the entire purpose of having police in the first place.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;42224568]No, there was no crime. The police were sent out to investigate. It even says the homeowner told dispatchers that it was about someone 'knocking on her door'. So when the cops arrive their job is to find out what the hell is going on, what actually happened. That phone call could be a phony report, it could be a person mistaking a friend or relative for a burglar, it could simply be a crazy old lady. The cops don't know until they investigate, that's the point. Instead, at least one of the cops was ready to immediately start shooting someone. There is no way it should be acceptable that an innocent civilian is deliberately killed by a cop, that's against the entire purpose of having police in the first place.[/QUOTE] A person is charging at you after you have ordered them to stop and your buddy fired a taser to no effect. This being after there was a [B]report[/B] of a crime in progress or at least an attempted one. What do you do? Let them get in close and possibly attack you in some way, or do you shoot them as you are the [B]lethal backup[/B]? Wait do you even know anything about lethal backup and police response procedure in the slightest? It is only after the fact that they were able to properly assess the situation and determine that the report was inaccurate and there was no crime. Put things in perspective, the situation was made this way by that woman overreacting to a guy knocking on her door and not being who they expected. I mean really, hitting your panic alarm and calling police over that?
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;42216435]This same idiotic post comes up every time tasers are mentioned so let me be brief about it: tasers malfunction a lot, they have terrible range, terrible accuracy, and plenty of times just plain don't work. Why do we have to go through this every single time?[/QUOTE] because I skipped over the 'stun' part and thought it said his gun malfunctioned, so i took that as the officer saying he ND'd into the guy
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