the support for an independent scotland is abysmal anyway
this will flop and SNP will forever be remembered as 'that party'
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39483799]Well to that I say, good luck funding your country without all that money from Parliament we give you.[/QUOTE]
You mean that scotland gives to parliament. Why do you think they are so desperate to keep scotland in?
[QUOTE=Kondor58;39483035]Why do they keep trying to push Scottish independence if nobody wants it?[/QUOTE]
because freedom
[img]http://i.imgur.com/rMnl1os.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Kondor58;39483035]Why do they keep trying to push Scottish independence if nobody wants it?[/QUOTE]
Alex Salmond's unfaltering desire to become the next Braveheart.
[QUOTE=Riller;39482928]I hope Scotland goes independent. It'd totally ruin the British flag. It'd be hilarious! :v:[/QUOTE]
Well, Scotland says they still want the Queen as head of state, so the Union Flag will stay the same, sorry :v:
[QUOTE=Camundongo;39484276]Well, Scotland says they still want the Queen as head of state, so the Union Flag will stay the same, sorry :v:[/QUOTE]
We'll be different counries so it won't
It'll be like when James VI/I was king of both England and Scotland, just because you're king of both doesn't mean they're under the same banner
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6_Pwb9_J400[/url] (Media tags aren't working for me)
Here's Irvine Welsh (Author of Trainspotting) explaining his stance on independence. Personally, I'm not voting for independence, but it's nice to see an argument put forward in an intelligent manner.
[url]http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2013/01/10/irvine-welsh-on-scottish-independence-and-british-unity/[/url]
I'm not sure why you're all so convinced nobody actually wants independence there.
The most recent poll I could pull up (from 2 days ago) indicates that somewhere around 32% support it, 47% are against it, and the rest are undecided or indifferent. In theory the amount of undecided could end up pushing the 'yes' vote to a higher percentage than the 'no' vote, although that seems unlikely. All I'm saying is you shouldn't act like this is some issue that absolutely nobody agrees with, otherwise there wouldn't be any contention over it in the first place.
[editline]5th February 2013[/editline]
Here's that poll, by the way: [url]http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2013.02.03_Referendum_SCO.pdf[/url]
Welcome back Scotland, Scandinavia's missed you the last 1000+ years.
Can't wait to eat some fried Mars-bars.
[QUOTE=Riller;39482998][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DQTeoAH.png[/IMG]
Teheheh, just look at it. :v:[/QUOTE]
I personally love that flag, we need to give the welsh some love, so lets shove a green dragon in the background
[sp] or a sheep [/sp]
The only thing good that would come out of this is a load off the "New UK" ; english conservatives have always been in favor of Scottish Independence because of this.
Stabbing yourself in the foot is all this is gonna do my fellow Scotsman.
Also i'll move if you do, scotland is already meh.
I am already moving out of scotland this year. Fuck this shithole.
i dont get it why you people say that an independent scotland wouldnt be able to handle itself financially.
it all comes down to what kinds of (mostly economical) policies are in use...
[QUOTE=Scot;39483953]You mean that scotland gives to parliament. Why do you think they are so desperate to keep scotland in?[/QUOTE]
Why do you think you have free universities and English people have to pay £9,000 per year?
[QUOTE=Megafan;39484473]In theory the amount of undecided could end up pushing the 'yes' vote to a higher percentage than the 'no' vote, although that seems unlikely. All I'm saying is you shouldn't act like this is some issue that absolutely nobody agrees with, otherwise there wouldn't be any contention over it in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Undercided and indifferent are, in theory, more likely to lean towards 'no' (especially the indifferent). If you couldn't give a toss either way, which seems more likely: voting to maintain the status quo or voting to completely change everything at (most likely) great cost?
[QUOTE=David29;39484660]Undercided and indifferent are, in theory, more likely to lean towards 'no' (especially the indifferent). If you couldn't give a toss either way, which seems more likely: voting to maintain the status quo or voting to completely change everything at (most likely) great cost?[/QUOTE]
Some people who are undecided might want to give the new idea a try just because it's a change, if they're especially tired of the status quo but don't know enough or don't agree with every aspect of the independence plan. I wouldn't put them firmly in one camp or the other, I'm just saying that it's unlikely to push the 'yes' vote to a win because the difference it has to make up to overcome the 47% 'no' camp is higher than the percentage of them that the 'no' camp needs to get a simple majority.
[QUOTE=Kentz;39484568]i dont get it why you people say that an independent scotland wouldnt be able to handle itself financially.
it all comes down to what kinds of (mostly economical) policies are in use...[/QUOTE]
Because it uses the pound and if Scotland leaves the UK it plans on carrying on with the pound in circulation, however that means they have no influence what so ever over interest rates. Could be disastorous for the Scottish economy.
Despite the fact the SNP [I]claim[/I] to be able to get the oil back, Britain will probably get a big lump of it anyway.
No one has realised either that if Scotland become independent, who's to say they get accepted into the EU?
I think the biggest thing that would be a problem would be the NHS. We can't sustain/afford to have a health service of our own and even if we tried, what would happen to the thousands that need constant help from the NHS in the mean time?
[QUOTE=Nightsure;39484770]Despite the fact the SNP [I]claim[/I] to be able to get the oil back, Britain will probably get a big lump of it anyway.[/quote]
For what reason?
[QUOTE=Nightsure;39484770]No one has realised either that if Scotland become independent, who's to say they get accepted into the EU?[/QUOTE]
No real reason not to. It's been that approval for their membership would require a simple majority vote of the member states, since Scotland is already aligned (relatively speaking) with the community acquis any new member state has to abide by. Supposedly a spokesman for the European Commission essentially said it would be immediate in a comment to The Guardian from 1998, and EU lawyers have apparently confirmed this in 2012 as well.
A short article about it here: [url]http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/a-ready-and-willing-member-state/73530.aspx[/url]
[QUOTE=Riller;39482998][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DQTeoAH.png[/IMG]
Teheheh, just look at it. :v:[/QUOTE]
Nah bro, you forgot to work cornwall and/or wales in there.
Cornwall replace Scotland
[t]http://i.imgur.com/I1Bz3oO.png[/t]
Cornwall and Wales replace scotland
[t]http://i.imgur.com/7Lcmrct.png[/t]
Either that, or keep the blue in to represent the sea. You know, since britain is a maritime realm.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39484885]For what reason?[/QUOTE]
The North Sea's geographic location doesn't neccesarily make the oil Scotland's. Once more Britain is probably already gathering oil there as well as other countires in the EU. No one, namely England, will give up the oil easily.
[editline]5th February 2013[/editline]
The articles an interesting read though
The answer of Scotland's economy still isn't answered however if they go independent. They can't rely entirley on oil (if they get it [I]all[/I]) and having a currency they have no control over would make the next few years for them uncertain. Moving the trident system also from Falsane means they'll have to get the local area jobs as that's the main source of employment there.
[QUOTE=Sluggy;39484532]I personally love that flag, we need to give the welsh some love, so lets shove a green dragon in the background
[sp] or a sheep [/sp][/QUOTE]
just have a really really small welshman plowing a sheep in the corner and they're accounted for
[QUOTE=Hamburgers;39485207]just have a really really small welshman plowing a sheep in the corner and they're accounted for[/QUOTE]
I would rather the dragon, because, well, dragons are the best.
[QUOTE=Megafan;39484885]For what reason?
[/QUOTE]
Because no one is going to let a country of 5 million get all the oil while a country of 60 million gets nothing
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;39483799]Well to that I say, good luck funding your country without all that money from Parliament we give you.[/QUOTE]
Uuhhh.. that's how it works because it's a unitary state. Scottish peeps pay tax to London and London gives the money to Edinburgh.
Wales and Scotland tend to feel a closer cultural connection to Ireland than to England (especially the south) and with Ireland being mostly independent, I can see why the Scottish want independence, but if Scotland leave the Union I feel this will cause a lot of stress in the rest of the Union.
Northern Ireland is still delicate, and with England having a greater share of the power in the Union, that could cause problems (I don't know too much about the troubles in Northern Ireland but it's a possibility) and Wales is quite nationalist and very socialist, but doesn't have the confidence nor the economic ability to stand on it's own quite yet. The Welsh tend to be quite proud and I can foresee social problems when the policies from Westminster don't match what the Welsh want, but the Welsh are trapped because they benefit quite a bit from connections to England.
If Scotland leave the union then the Union will probably fall quite quickly. I'm sorry if this doesn't make a lot of sense, I'm tired now and Welsh people have enough problems getting the right tense while wide awake.
[QUOTE=Lua Laputa;39484338]We'll be different counries so it won't
It'll be like when James VI/I was king of both England and Scotland, just because you're king of both doesn't mean they're under the same banner[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18364699"]According to the BBC, no.[/URL]
Other fun things in there as well, such as Scotland is probably going to have to use the Euro if it wants to join the EU, there's probably going lots of fun issues with pensions and there's going to be fun issues with cross-country stuff like the DVLA.
please don't leave us scotland, i like you guys!!!
[QUOTE=Acezorz;39487956]please don't leave us scotland, i like you guys!!![/QUOTE]
And we like you guys! Just silly braveheart fanboys dont like you!
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;39485220]I would rather the dragon, because, well, dragons are the best.[/QUOTE]
Fine. A really small dragon plowing a sheep.
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