• ‘Occupy Oakland’ protester shot by rubber bullet while filming cops
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[QUOTE=Swilly;33178349]Alright, I admit fault in this case. I still want more information but I'll admit to misconduct on the Officer's part. Whether he did it on purpose or was a rookie and pulled the trigger from nervousness has yet to be seen.[/QUOTE] That is one thing that everyone does have to remember here: the officers are only acting in [i]re[/i]action to an extremely hostile situation, odds are they're gonna jump the gun a little and the [b]individuals[/b] who do should be charged for their overeactions.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33178250]Swilly has already explained the tragic accident in the form of a teargas grenade so I'm not going to go into that. I fail to see how their actions can be called any more horrible than what the occupiers are doing. These are true patriots, brave Americans who are standing up to protect the citizens of their once great country and this scum thanks them with profanity, threats, and violence. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, you start a bloody riot, you get police called in to prevent things from going out of hand, you attack the police, they defend themselves with appropriate force, which is always slightly more force than the opposition. Again I'm trying as hard as possible not to take sides here, I'm just standing up for the real victim.[/QUOTE] Wait, so let me get this straight. You're telling us, that the "real victim", isn't the guy who got fucking shot, but the [I]potentially[/I] rookie cop who's a bit scared of the guy with a cell phone. Riiiiiight.
[QUOTE=Louie XVI;33178002]It's racism like this that lets the people on wall street stay rich folks the spanish people as a whole always make him laugh because he is above everything the spanish people have brought to society.[/QUOTE] or maybe he just thinks the language sounds funny seriously what the fuck is wrong with you
[QUOTE=Regulas021;33178269]Once the movement starts randomly killing elected officials simply for being elected officials, you can count me out. Actually, you can count me on the other team.[/QUOTE] Nah, no point in being random. Not everyone is corrupt. A quick glance at someone's voting record will likely tell you who is and is not operating in the best interests of the majority of the nation.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33178377]That is one thing that everyone does have to remember here: the officers are only acting in [i]re[/i]action to an extremely hostile situation, odds are they're gonna jump the gun a little and the [b]individuals[/b] who do should be charged for their overeactions.[/QUOTE]And asteroid, you posted in that thread GunFox linked to, you knew all of that already, yet you tried to act like this was unheard of before. Trying to fucking lie about it. And I'd like to point out how you called the marine a traitor in that thread for exercising his first amendment rights. Nice one. So as far as I care, your arguments count for shit.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33178377]That is one thing that everyone does have to remember here: the officers are only acting in [i]re[/i]action to an extremely hostile situation, odds are they're gonna jump the gun a little and the [b]individuals[/b] who do should be charged for their overeactions.[/QUOTE] That doesn't excuse him, he swear an oath to protect the community. He should take the consequences with stride knowing full well it was his fault and accept it.
[QUOTE=Last or First;33178387]Wait, so let me get this straight. You're telling us, that the "real victim", isn't the guy who got fucking shot, but the rookie cop who's a bit scared of the guy with a cell phone. Riiiiiight.[/QUOTE] No I'm talking about the police in their entirety. They're being demonized as a whole for the panicked reactions of a few. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;33178400]That doesn't excuse him, he swear an oath to protect the community. He should take the consequences with stride knowing full well it was his fault and accept it.[/QUOTE] Never said it did or thought it should. I'm just saying he should be punished as an individual rather than the entire organization be demonized for one man's actions.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33178402]No I'm talking about the police in their entirety. They're being demonized as a whole for the panicked reactions of a few.[/QUOTE] This is somewhat true, in Philadelphia nothing has been going on.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33178402]No I'm talking about the police in their entirety. They're being demonized as a whole for the panicked reactions of a few.[/QUOTE]No, just the ones responsible and the ones who failed to act as they should have to apprehend the offending officers. Those are the ones people are angry at. How's the hyperbole this time of the year?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33178449]No, just the ones responsible and the ones who failed to act as they should have to apprehend the offending officers. Those are the ones people are angry at. How's the hyperbole this time of the year?[/QUOTE] They usually are reprimanded, you don't hear about it though cause that's how the system is supposed to work. Leave of absences without pay are common for rookies and those who screw up often. Too often and you're officially removed from the force.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33178424]This is somewhat true, in Philadelphia nothing has been going on.[/QUOTE]Its been great here in my city. During the most recent march, they actually took time out to thank the local police department for keeping things safe and expressing their condolences over recent cuts to their benefits, pay, pensions, and the layoffs.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33178467]Its been great here in my city. During the most recent march, they actually took time out to thank the local police department for keeping things safe and expressing their condolences over recent cuts to their benefits, pay, pensions, and the layoffs.[/QUOTE] Pretty much identical. The protests are even let the Police do foot patrols at night through the park.
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;33175419]im gonna laugh if someone tries to justify that officer's actions[/QUOTE] The person operating the camera was repeatedly told not to cross their line, and he continued to. He was trolling them, and got what a troll gets.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33178478]Pretty much identical. The protests are even let the Police do foot patrols at night through the park.[/QUOTE]The only incident we've come close to having was a week ago when some people were protesting on 20th and 5th. [url]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/03/1032902/-Occupy-Birmingham:-Lessons-learned-from-the-civil-rights-movement-[/url]
[QUOTE=GunFox;33178164]What is the protest currently accomplishing? [/QUOTE] A lot actually. It has more recognition than a lot of people would think, just because the big networks haven't covered it doesn't mean people don't know. Because of this magical thing I'm using to convey these words to you now called the internet. OWS has huge recognition. And a lot of people agree with it, 54% is pretty good, considering that's more people supporting them than the Tea Party or the President. [QUOTE=GunFox;33178164]We have widespread protests occurring in every major city in the United States. Hundreds of thousands, if not in the low millions, of people are participating in varying capacities. I'm not sure the United States has EVER had such widespread protests. I'm not even certain that Vietnam saw these numbers. Nothing is being done about it. The Republicans write them off. [/QUOTE] Interesting thing about that... they did at first. Now, Bill O'Reilly has stated support for their cause, Mitt Romney has stated support for their motivation, both parties really are beginning to recognize OWS as legit. [QUOTE=GunFox;33178164] Peaceful protest has accomplished nothing. Thousands of people have been arrested and a fair number have been injured. Our government hasn't moved an inch. [/QUOTE] What the fuck are they supposed to do? Do you think they were (and are) just sitting around throwing pies? Do you think that congress just needs to go "Ah shit guys, they're mad, we need to fix that whole economy thing.", and they aren't? This reminds me of when someone posted the list of things congress passed that weren't about jobs. It seems to me as if people have the idea in their heads that when there's a big problem that they think is important, the government just stops and solves that one problem. In the real world, the government only does that for a significant crisis. Like the Debt Ceiling Crisis. That was something that was urgent, that needed drastic things done about it then and there. Right now, the government [I]is[/I] doing something about the economy, remember that committee that was established at the end of the aforementioned crisis? They're trying to hammer out some compromises on how to reduce the deficit and help the economy. [QUOTE=GunFox;33178164] My preference would not be a marine shooting police, as the police obviously are just doing their job (With a number of exceptions), but rather one shooting federal representatives. There are over 500 members of congress in the United States. You can't even begin to protect all of them from a sniper. These are guys who are trained to wait for days in the same position for a target to make an appearance. You can even play the fun game of watching to see which members of congress adopt the most defensive measures, then match their voting record and check for a correlation between being a douchebag and being afraid of catching an acute case of lead poisoning. Alternatively, we could just riot and burn the fucking country to the ground. Hurt the bottom line until the fat fucks in charge get lobbied by the fuckers who started all this shit by making bad investments to actually start fixing stuff. A game of political chicken. Violence is ALWAYS an answer. There is no problem on the planet that cannot be solved with varying levels of violence. It is just usually a [I]terrible[/I] answer. But when all peaceful avenues available fail, then you must consider the violent alternatives or be willing to simply tolerate the problem.[/QUOTE] It's a good thing that peaceful protest hasn't failed then huh? You're acting like the cities are giant god damn breadlines and the government and corporations are allowed to shoot people in the street for pocket change. Making our government fearful and hateful of us and destroying property isn't going to help, in this case violence, the way you present it, IS the most terrible possible answer.
[QUOTE=Ridge;33178479]The person operating the camera was repeatedly told not to cross their line, and he continued to. He was trolling them, and got what a troll gets.[/QUOTE] um A. it's an arbitrary line with no legal boundings B. he wasn't crossing any lines, he was just walking along his normal path and was shot hey ridge, don't post again or i get to shoot you in the face you better not post, because that means you're trolling and you know what happens to trolls!!!! (they get shot)
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33178641]um A. it's an arbitrary line with no legal boundings B. he wasn't crossing any lines, he was just walking along his normal path and was shot hey ridge, don't post again or i get to shoot you in the face you better not post, because that means you're trolling and you know what happens to trolls!!!! (they get shot)[/QUOTE] No no no. See its DnD, and the poor bastard crossed the agro line.
I hope these protests don't pop up in Houston. Probably will, but I have like a phobia of riots. I had this dream of bears rioting in my neighborhood and they broke into my house. But at least it wasn't a real bullet.
[QUOTE=GunFox;33178164]What is the protest currently accomplishing? We have widespread protests occurring in every major city in the United States. Hundreds of thousands, if not in the low millions, of people are participating in varying capacities. I'm not sure the United States has EVER had such widespread protests. I'm not even certain that Vietnam saw these numbers. Nothing is being done about it. The Republicans write them off. Peaceful protest has accomplished nothing. Thousands of people have been arrested and a fair number have been injured. Our government hasn't moved an inch. My preference would not be a marine shooting police, as the police obviously are just doing their job (With a number of exceptions), but rather one shooting federal representatives. There are over 500 members of congress in the United States. You can't even begin to protect all of them from a sniper. These are guys who are trained to wait for days in the same position for a target to make an appearance. You can even play the fun game of watching to see which members of congress adopt the most defensive measures, then match their voting record and check for a correlation between being a douchebag and being afraid of catching an acute case of lead poisoning. Alternatively, we could just riot and burn the fucking country to the ground. Hurt the bottom line until the fat fucks in charge get lobbied by the fuckers who started all this shit by making bad investments to actually start fixing stuff. A game of political chicken. Violence is ALWAYS an answer. There is no problem on the planet that cannot be solved with varying levels of violence. It is just usually a [I]terrible[/I] answer. But when all peaceful avenues available fail, then you must consider the violent alternatives or be willing to simply tolerate the problem.[/QUOTE] GunFox I like you. You are my kind of crazy.
[QUOTE=GunFox;33178164]What is the protest currently accomplishing? We have widespread protests occurring in every major city in the United States. Hundreds of thousands, if not in the low millions, of people are participating in varying capacities. I'm not sure the United States has EVER had such widespread protests. I'm not even certain that Vietnam saw these numbers. Nothing is being done about it. The Republicans write them off. Peaceful protest has accomplished nothing. Thousands of people have been arrested and a fair number have been injured. Our government hasn't moved an inch. My preference would not be a marine shooting police, as the police obviously are just doing their job (With a number of exceptions), but rather one shooting federal representatives. There are over 500 members of congress in the United States. You can't even begin to protect all of them from a sniper. These are guys who are trained to wait for days in the same position for a target to make an appearance. You can even play the fun game of watching to see which members of congress adopt the most defensive measures, then match their voting record and check for a correlation between being a douchebag and being afraid of catching an acute case of lead poisoning. Alternatively, we could just riot and burn the fucking country to the ground. Hurt the bottom line until the fat fucks in charge get lobbied by the fuckers who started all this shit by making bad investments to actually start fixing stuff. A game of political chicken. Violence is ALWAYS an answer. There is no problem on the planet that cannot be solved with varying levels of violence. It is just usually a [I]terrible[/I] answer. But when all peaceful avenues available fail, then you must consider the violent alternatives or be willing to simply tolerate the problem.[/QUOTE] Future leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of the United States here.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33178652]No no no. See its DnD, and the poor bastard crossed the agro line.[/QUOTE] DnD?
[QUOTE=flyschy;33178693]Future leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of the United States here.[/QUOTE] I'd trust GunFox... [editline]8th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;33178698]DnD?[/QUOTE] Dungeons and Dragons. There is no such thing as an 'agro line' in DnD but its a small joke about the arbitrary line.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33178699]I'd trust GunFox... [editline]8th November 2011[/editline] Dungeons and Dragons. There is no such thing as an 'agro line' in DnD but its a small joke about the arbitrary line.[/QUOTE]There are attacks of opportunity however, which you get if someone enters a space adjacent to you during their turn. But those things are shit and noone likes playing with them. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=magicman1234;33178664]I hope these protests don't pop up in Houston. Probably will, but I have like a phobia of riots. I had this dream of bears rioting in my neighborhood and they broke into my house. But at least it wasn't a real bullet.[/QUOTE]What the hell do bears riot over?
[QUOTE=Splambob;33175459]Finding it hard to see any legitimate reason why the officer would do that. What threat does a guy with a camera pose [i]if you behave[/i]?[/QUOTE] And the guy was even asking if it's ok, the douche cop could have yelled no in the event that it wasn't.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33178699]Dungeons and Dragons. There is no such thing as an 'agro line' in DnD but its a small joke about the arbitrary line.[/QUOTE] When it comes to legality, there is no 'agro line'. The police can't arbitrarily warn you not to cross a 'line' and then shoot you.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33178725]There are attacks of opportunity however, which you get if someone enters a space adjacent to you during their turn. But those things are shit and noone likes playing with them. [editline]7th November 2011[/editline] What the hell do bears riot over?[/QUOTE] Dewberries? Dingleberries? Taxing of dingleberries? I don't know man. If there was a last protest, the bears would come and fuck shit up. But in all seriousness I think the media might be blowing these movements out of proportions. I think this was the next step that would have been necessary if they really wanted the protester to leave. But even then it's still not necessary. Protesting should not be this crazy, it really shouldn't.
What the fuck, this guy was actually moving away from the police when he was fired upon And of course no action will be taken because cops can get away with whatever they want
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33178402]No I'm talking about the police in their entirety. They're being demonized as a whole for the panicked reactions of a few.[/quote] I will only ask for a source. To be clear, I dont want examples of a few people who already hated the police, demonizing the police, I'm looking for evidence that a substantial amount of people who have no record of radicalism, saying that all police are bad because of the events in the occupy movement.
I know it took place in a different city, but this whole Occupy Oakland situation is starting to remind me of Southland Tales. You know, minus the magic tidal perpetual motion machine.
Oh boy an "Occupy _____" thread, time to read about police conspiracies to frame protesters and see basement dwelling Facepunchers calling for armed revolt. Where do I get my "fuK da Police" banner?
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