• ‘Occupy Oakland’ protester shot by rubber bullet while filming cops
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[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;33179561]Oh boy an "Occupy _____" thread, time to read about police conspiracies to frame protesters and see basement dwelling Facepunchers calling for armed revolt. Where do I get my "fuK da Police" banner?[/QUOTE] Do what now?
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;33179561]Oh boy an "Occupy _____" thread, time to read about police conspiracies to frame protesters and see basement dwelling Facepunchers calling for armed revolt. Where do I get my "fuK da Police" banner?[/QUOTE] Did you know that participating in an occupy thread just to insult the people who participate in occupy threads is both a generalization AND self deprecating? It's true!
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;33179561]Oh boy an "Occupy _____" thread, time to read about police conspiracies to frame protesters and see basement dwelling Facepunchers calling for armed revolt. Where do I get my "fuK da Police" banner?[/QUOTE] The UK has a literacy rate of 99%. We found the 1%.
So any update on the man who was shot? I'm sure he's ok but I'm curious.
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;33179561]Oh boy an "Occupy _____" thread, time to read about police conspiracies to frame protesters and see basement dwelling Facepunchers calling for armed revolt. Where do I get my "fuK da Police" banner?[/QUOTE] its ok, independent thought isn't for everyone
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;33179561]Oh boy an "Occupy _____" thread, time to read about police conspiracies to frame protesters and see basement dwelling Facepunchers calling for armed revolt. Where do I get my "fuK da Police" banner?[/QUOTE] Never question the government. Doing so makes you a "wannabe rebel"!
This shit will escalate, and you really don't want to be there when it happens.
[QUOTE=V12US;33184241]This shit will escalate, and you really don't want to be there when it happens.[/QUOTE] It's Oakland, you already don't want to be there.
[QUOTE=Sumap;33176731]Hopefully, it never comes to that.[/QUOTE] Hopefully it does. You need a violent revolution to cause major change. The government needs to know that they are not in charge. They forgot their place.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;33184565]Hopefully it does. You need a violent revolution to cause major change. The government needs to know that they are not in charge. They forgot their place.[/QUOTE] I dont think violence is the only way, nut I do agree the government has seemed to have forgotten his place.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;33184565]Hopefully it does. You need a violent revolution to cause major change. The government needs to know that they are not in charge. They forgot their place.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33103783]I see it as incredibly unlikely. The nation is just too stable over all for that to happen, and people enjoy their current way of life too much to want to get involved in it. No one wants any kind of violence, they want a quick and peaceful resolution. And if it were to somehow escalate to some form of real violence, I'd imagine it'd be brief at best before things returned to normal. But, it does create an interesting What-If scenario. You know, what if by some chance there was to be actual, open, armed revolution? What would the frontline look like, how would it impact life on both side of the front, who would join? Its the absolutely worst case scenario, but it makes you wonder at least. I mean, for the other American Facepunch members? Would you really join a revolution; fighting and killing other Americans who are simply defending their homeland from a perceived threat? I mean, going against honest soldiers who enlisted because they believed they'd be doing the right thing for everyone, and who now have to kill the people they swore to protect all because of a difference of ideals? Or, as a soldier, could you really kill other Americans who are just trying to fight for freedom and a better world for everyone? People that you may have known at one time, who may have been your friends or even family and loved ones? It something I hope never has to come to pass, but it is something to ponder. I can't say what I'd do or if I really have it in me to do that, and I hope I never have to find out. I mean, if it happened and I joined the revolutionaries, then I might end up fighting and killing some of my closest friends and even family, people in the Air Force and Marines and Army. And if I joined the military, I might end up fighting and killing other friends and loved ones who support the revolution.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33183982]its ok, independent thought isn't for everyone[/QUOTE] Neither is proper grammar :zoid:
That's a good point and peaceful resolution is nice and dandy, but what lesson does it teach? When people look back at a violent revolution, they certainly won't make the same mistake twice. And hypothetically I would absolutely fight and kill for the life and liberty of my family.
It's as if they WANT to cause a shitstorm.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33183982]its ok, independent thought isn't for everyone[/QUOTE] Hmmmmm... You're not exactly promoting it when you don't show proof. You're basically saying to go by "your word" which amounts to jack shit on the internet.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33186702]Hmmmmm... You're not exactly promoting it when you don't show proof. You're basically saying to go by "your word" which amounts to jack shit on the internet.[/QUOTE] *assumes the debate teacher position* Let's dissect this post shall we? In the first sentence we can observe three common debate pratfalls. Note the fact that he is asking for proof for a joke, which is a wholly overbearing and pointless remark, made especially pointless when the joke is obviously in reference to the person quoted by the teller of the joke. We can only conclude from how he seems to be chastising the other user, that he then goes on to make the assumption that the joke was trying to promote free thought, despite there being no evidence of this. Making the further assertion that your not promoting free thought when you don't show proof of said joke, is not only baseless and accusatory, but is lacking the same evidence requirements that he put forth. In the second sentence, he then quips that the post "its ok, independent thought isn't for everyone" is claiming that we should "go by '(the poster's) word'." despite not making any argument, premise, or statement beyond the rhetorical device known as a "zing". Then to finish this perfect example of what not to do in a debate, he posits that "your word" amounts to "jack shit on the internet" thus completely invalidating his entire post.
I honestly would like to see what happened BEFORE the obviously cut clip starts. He was filming before, where's the full video? By him asking "Is this okay" makes me wonder if he was told to leave the area. Now, I'm not saying that the amount of force was justified, but I would like to see what happened before hand that started this whole confrontation.
[QUOTE=Swilly;33186702]Hmmmmm... You're not exactly promoting it when you don't show proof. You're basically saying to go by "your word" which amounts to jack shit on the internet.[/QUOTE] uh what are you even talking about i never said anything like that, i'm just criticizing him for implying that all of the Occupy supporters are "fuk da police" conspiracy theorists
[QUOTE=Xain777;33187055]*assumes the debate teacher position* Let's dissect this post shall we? In the first sentence we can observe three common debate pratfalls. Note the fact that he is asking for proof for a joke, which is a wholly overbearing and pointless remark, made especially pointless when the joke is obviously in reference to the person quoted by the teller of the joke. We can only conclude from how he seems to be chastising the other user, that he then goes on to make the assumption that the joke was trying to promote free thought, despite there being no evidence of this. Making the further assertion that your not promoting free thought when you don't show proof of said joke, is not only baseless and accusatory, but is lacking the same evidence requirements that he put forth. In the second sentence, he then quips that the post "its ok, independent thought isn't for everyone" is claiming that we should "go by '(the poster's) word'." despite not making any argument, premise, or statement beyond the rhetorical device known as a "zing". Then to finish this perfect example of what not to do in a debate, he posits that "your word" amounts to "jack shit on the internet" thus completely invalidating his entire post.[/QUOTE] *assumes the getting banned for doing shit like putting asterisks around words position* Shitting all over people's posts for no reason in a desperate attempt to get winners is for EXTREME COOL KIDS.
[QUOTE=Wilford Brimley;33188477]*assumes the getting banned for doing shit like putting asterisks around words position* Shitting all over people's posts for no reason in a desperate attempt to get winners is for EXTREME COOL KIDS.[/QUOTE] If putting asterisks around words is a banable offense, then why are you informing me of this in words surrounded by asterisks? Also you just shit all over my post for no reason. In summation, every time you complain in this post, you do the exact same thing during the same complaint.
[QUOTE=GunFox;33178164]What is the protest currently accomplishing? We have widespread protests occurring in every major city in the United States. Hundreds of thousands, if not in the low millions, of people are participating in varying capacities. I'm not sure the United States has EVER had such widespread protests. I'm not even certain that Vietnam saw these numbers. Nothing is being done about it. The Republicans write them off. Peaceful protest has accomplished nothing. Thousands of people have been arrested and a fair number have been injured. Our government hasn't moved an inch. My preference would not be a marine shooting police, as the police obviously are just doing their job (With a number of exceptions), but rather one shooting federal representatives. There are over 500 members of congress in the United States. You can't even begin to protect all of them from a sniper. These are guys who are trained to wait for days in the same position for a target to make an appearance. You can even play the fun game of watching to see which members of congress adopt the most defensive measures, then match their voting record and check for a correlation between being a douchebag and being afraid of catching an acute case of lead poisoning. Alternatively, we could just riot and burn the fucking country to the ground. Hurt the bottom line until the fat fucks in charge get lobbied by the fuckers who started all this shit by making bad investments to actually start fixing stuff. A game of political chicken. Violence is ALWAYS an answer. There is no problem on the planet that cannot be solved with varying levels of violence. It is just usually a [I]terrible[/I] answer. But when all peaceful avenues available fail, then you must consider the violent alternatives or be willing to simply tolerate the problem.[/QUOTE] I think you've lost your marbles.
Urgh why do people generalise police so much? Wherever they come from, whatever service they're in, if one individual policeman does something dickish,all police are suddenly labelled as facist nazi nob faces Seriously, the 'fuck the police' mentality is primitive and retarded The majority of police in the western world deserve respect which they just don't get from the general public
[QUOTE=RobL;33189562]Urgh why do people generalise police so much? Wherever they come from, whatever service they're in, if one individual policeman does something dickish,all police are suddenly labelled as facist nazi nob faces Seriously, the 'fuck the police' mentality is primitive and retarded The majority of police in the western world deserve respect which they just don't get from the general public[/QUOTE] Eh, they don't really deserve hate, but generally cops are dicks. Not an "abusing power, racist, facist" kind of dick, the "I have more power than you" kind of dick. [editline]8th November 2011[/editline] Also, what is a nob face?
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;33189676]Eh, they don't really deserve hate, but generally cops are dicks. Not an "abusing power, racist, facist" kind of dick, the "I have more power than you" kind of dick. [editline]8th November 2011[/editline] Also, what is a nob face?[/QUOTE] Well a few of my relatives are in the UK police force, and they only want to serve the community, I mean it's not like it's still the 70s where there was large scale police corruption But maybe i'm a little biased there And oh, someone with a nob on their face obviously
It's totally inexcusable for police just to shoot people like that. That said, you shouldn't condemn the whole police force for the actions of a few cops. My uncle is a cop, and when on duty, he's generally one of the nicest and most considerate people and so are all of his buddies, because they all honestly want to protect the people. I guess that's at least what it's like here anyways, during protests you can see police walking around and talking with people and just trying to keep it peaceful.
[QUOTE=Chekko;33184119]Never question the government. Doing so makes you a "wannabe rebel"![/QUOTE] Yeah man, question authority We'll protest on the streets against the government so we can take money away from rich people and give it to the government I'm such a fucking rebel
[QUOTE=s0beit;33192990]Yeah man, question authority We'll protest on the streets against the government so we can take money away from rich people and give it to the government I'm such a fucking rebel[/QUOTE] I was wondering when you'd stop by to act condescending.
[QUOTE=s0beit;33192990]Yeah man, question authority We'll protest on the streets against the government so we can take money away from rich people and give it to the government I'm such a fucking rebel[/QUOTE] lmao of course you would come in and completely mischaracterize these protests
Fucking dickhead, giving the good cops such a bad rep, what a retard.
[QUOTE=Lazor;33193736]lmao of course you would come in and completely mischaracterize these protests[/QUOTE] Hey at least he got some of the words right, like "rich" and "government". He didn't put them in the right spot, but it's progress.
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