[QUOTE=Bathacker;53199891]I can't imagine that building and maintaining a system like that over a 3000km+ border would be cost-effective in the slightest, especially when it's likely to be sabotaged repeatedly.[/QUOTE]
I don't doubt that the slightest given the distances, then again hardly anything about this project is cost-effective.
Remember when Han dynasty in China built the first bit of their wall in like 200 BCE and then because they couldn't afford to staff it properly the Mongolians literally just took control of part of it and invaded anyway.
Or then later during the Jin dynasty, the Mongolians literally were able to just ride over parts of the wall because it was in such a state of disrepair due to it being basically economically impossible to maintain.
Oh and then after that the Chinese rebuilt the wall during the Ming dynasty, which is what's mostly left of the wall we see today, despite being a significant factor for the nearing collapse of the Ming dynasty it worked so well to keep the enemy out.. Except it didn't because some general just decided to switch sides and opened the gates in the Shanhai Pass for the Manchus anyway. :eng101:
I wish I was even joking about the rebuilding of the wall being a major cause for the decline of the Ming, but I'm not. Coupled with a series of incompetent emperors living excessively lavish lives, the military expeditions against the Mongols and the Manchus in the north caused the common people to face some increasingly severe taxes. A large part of this military expense was the rebuild of the wall. Funny enough this became a pretty vicious circle as the people began to rebel, this meant in turn that the government had to raise taxes to quell the rebellion, and then teh Manchu's pressed the advantage gained by a rebellion, which caused even more taxes to be raised, which made the rebellion worse, and of course this all came to peak in 1643 when all the treasuries in China were empty of even the cobwebs.
Ironically there's quite a few parallels to be found between the Ming dynasty and a lot of modern countries including the US, and even more ironically modern China. China just abolished term limits for the president, a consolidation of power in some ways, the increasing lavish lives of politicians, etc. Just combine enough of those things and you'll have the recipe for a collapse of even the most powerful empires.
[QUOTE=Kecske;53199855]Israel has a rather effective tunnelling detection system along the Gaza Strip, I'm sure they'd be willing to share the tech if asked. It's not that hard to counter.[/QUOTE]
And this is the size of Israel to US
[t]http://www.tomorrowsreflection.com/wp-content/uploads/Israel_US_Size.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;53200426]And this is the size of Israel to US
[t]http://www.tomorrowsreflection.com/wp-content/uploads/Israel_US_Size.png[/t][/QUOTE]
no no hold on let's be fair, here's the size of the Gaza Strip
[img_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/XtfAnif.png[/img_thumb]
oh shi-
[QUOTE=Mobon1;53200439]no no hold on let's be fair, here's the size of the Gaza Strip
[img_thumb]https://i.imgur.com/XtfAnif.png[/img_thumb]
oh shi-[/QUOTE]
Israels wall goes around the West Bank, doesn't it? Not that it changes the point, really.
I like top right one.
Looks very solid and neat :v:
Also good surface for graffiti artists.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;53199774]Do you have a better solution? Or even some ideas on how to deal with this problem.[/QUOTE]
Do I have a better plan than pumping tens of billions of dollars into a two thousand mile long wall that will only make the root causes and risks of illegal immigration and smuggling grow, while doing effectively nothing to actually [I]prevent[/I] illegal immigration and smuggling? Why, yes, I do: address the root causes of immigration and smuggling.
1) Foster stronger diplomatic relations and partnerships with the Mexican government, employing mutually beneficial trade deals, legal immigration processes, and expanded work and education visa opportunities. This will enable greater economic opportunity for Mexico [I]and[/I] the US, allowing both countries to continue to grow and thrive. Increased economic opportunity results in reduced economic migration.
2) In cooperation, the governments of Mexico and the United States form a joint task force dedicated to rooting our corruption in local leadership and policing within the Mexican government, as cartel activity is a major factor of immigration and asylum seekers, and cannot be effectively hobbled while local law enforcement and justice officials remain in their pockets.
3) Usher in major reforms of US drug policy that enable the legal cultivation and sale of certain recreational drugs within the United States to weaken a major financial pillar of the cartels, and launch a large scale joint task force dedicated to combating cartel activity on a much greater scale than currently employed -- with local law enforcement and justice officials to have their authority superseded by the federal task forces. With weakened financial foundations, sustained pressure from both governments, and no or limited protection from the corrupt local officials as a result of the limited local authorities and the reduced corruption, cartels can be successfully destroyed, or at least weakened to such a degree that they are far more toothless.
4) We now have increased economic activity and opportunity, and reduced cartel influence and dangerous criminal activity, resulting in a safer country with more jobs, higher pay, better trade deals, better education, etc. The root causes of illegal immigration are significantly reduced, and thus so are the rates of illegal immigration.
You keep saying do we have a better "solution" than the wall, but the wall is not a solution. A solution doesn't make the problem worse. Trumpian policy will, without question, result in stronger cartels with deeper roots and a fractured economic foundation for Mexico, and a fuckin' wall will do nothing whatsoever to stop that from affecting the US in significant ways.
[QUOTE=Kecske;53199855]Israel has a rather effective tunnelling detection system along the Gaza Strip, I'm sure they'd be willing to share the tech if asked. It's not that hard to counter.[/QUOTE]
we jointly developed the tech, the issue for us is that the geophysical
characteristics of the soils are needed, something that our southwest border has a very high variance of soils, we would need current surveys and geotechnical studies, which will quite expensive. furthermore while israel and the IDF can dedicate a security presence by the gaza strip and west bank the costs of the presence of our own security would already be quite expensive.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;53200520]I like top right one.
Looks very solid and neat :v:
Also good surface for graffiti artists.[/QUOTE]
What if Trump just wants to see some sickass graffiti.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;53199774]Do you have a better solution? Or even some ideas on how to deal with this problem.[/QUOTE]
how about you first prove that it's a problem?
[QUOTE=IKTM;53202607]What if Trump just wants to see some sickass graffiti.[/QUOTE]
"I know a guy-I got this guy, a graffiti artist, great guy, brilliant artist, the best art you'll ever see on a wall comes from this guy. It's true! You'll love Banksy!" - Trump
"Who the fuck are you?" - Banksy, two hours later
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