No but don't call US democratic/just and about freedom while complaining about Russia being evil when the world is pretty much handling the shit that US began and never cleaned up.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;45746724]No but don't call US democratic/just and about freedom while complaining about Russia being evil when the world is pretty much handling the shit that US began and never cleaned up.[/QUOTE]
No one did that.
They should all be hanged drawn and quartered for what they've done, and what they're going to do before they're wiped out.
Why should any mercy be given to those who behead children and innocents without remorse?
Why don't we just spread Ebola on these terrorists? Seriously, these murderous bastard is giving Islam a bad name. I hate to say this but if destroying them means using nukes on them, then lets just nuke them to scare the shit out of them.
[QUOTE=BCell;45746982]Why don't we just spread Ebola on these terrorists? Seriously, these murderous bastard is giving Islam a bad name. I hate to say this but if destroying them means using nukes on them, then lets just nuke them to scare the shit out of them.[/QUOTE]
Do you want to give ISIS biochemical agents? As for using Nuclear Arms, are you, your family, and the next ten generations of your family ready to dig up thousands of square Km of dirt to be dumped in oh, say, the sun?
[QUOTE=BCell;45746982]Why don't we just spread Ebola on these terrorists? Seriously, these murderous bastard is giving Islam a bad name. I hate to say this but if destroying them means using nukes on them, then lets just nuke them to scare the shit out of them.[/QUOTE]
Give them Ebola, so they can spread it to the innocent local populace and potentially far across the world.
Nuke them, and therefore nuke the innocent populace and render the immediate area uninhabitable for a long time.
Genius.
[QUOTE=BCell;45746982]Why don't we just spread Ebola on these terrorists? Seriously, these murderous bastard is giving Islam a bad name. I hate to say this but if destroying them means using nukes on them, then lets just nuke them to scare the shit out of them.[/QUOTE]
Nuking them would be worse than letting them live, neither of which I'm for.
[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;45746975]They should all be hanged drawn and quartered for what they've done, and what they're going to do before they're wiped out.
Why should any mercy be given to those who behead children and innocents without remorse?[/QUOTE]
That's assuming they can get wiped out. They're like a bad roach infestation at this point, you stomp one down and they'll use that roaches death to get 10 more followers.
[QUOTE=Worldwaker;45747072]As for using Nuclear Arms, are you, your family, and the next ten generations of your family ready to dig up thousands of square Km of dirt to be dumped in oh, say, the sun?[/QUOTE]
what
They also got enough money to pay because they've taken some oil plants. Now US should act and fuck up the militants by doing that they'll get oil plants.
I understand the frustration and anger all of you have towards IS (I share it too). The atrocities they've committed and are currently committing are completely abhorrent to say the very least.
That said, saying "just fuckin' bomb em all" is one of the most short-sighted stances you can take. This is not some ragtag militia in the hills we're dealing with, this is a force that controls towns and cities. What happens to the people in them after the conflict?
I'm not very confident in the Syrian or Iraqi governments' ability to restore order once the conflict is over. I expect them to mainly neglect those people, allowing anger and desperation to fester to a point where this whole thing to happen again.
It seems obvious but once IS falls, heavy international aid and advice is going to be needed to alleviate the suffering caused by the conflict.
The most worrying part is that the goal of ISIS is to bring a Worldwide Califate, not just Middle-East / Iraq / Syria.
We simply can't take the risk of it growing too strong, they're good fighters with a thirst for blood and ass-backwards ideology. Let's kill every single one of them, let everyone know if you join ISIS you're basicly painting a target on you. The more we take down, the less they will.
[editline]20th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hidole555;45747850]I understand the frustration and anger all of you have towards IS (I share it too). The atrocities they've committed and are currently committing are completely abhorrent to say the very least.
That said, saying "just fuckin' bomb em all" is one of the most short-sighted stances you can take. This is not some ragtag militia in the hills we're dealing with, this is a force that controls towns and cities. What happens to the people in them after the conflict?
I'm not very confident in the Syrian or Iraqi governments' ability to restore order once the conflict is over. I expect them to mainly neglect those people, allowing anger and desperation to fester to a point where this whole thing to happen again.
It seems obvious but once IS falls, heavy international aid and advice is going to be needed to alleviate the suffering caused by the conflict.[/QUOTE]
If you want stability over there you've got to train a massive army and hand them over the country.
Flu or Ebola, take your pick.
6,000 new recruits? Where are they getting all these people? What do they have, their own cloning program?
And this is why I'm atheist. A bunch or retards joining a terrorist group to march to there deaths with no free virgins.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45745697]There's no way they have enough income to sustain that kind of pay, that's $2,520,000 minimum for the people who just joined up. Throw in the existing 7,000 fighters (low estimate), and you get a minimum of $5,320,000 add in families and foreigners, and it could easily be tens of millions each month. There's just no way they can sustain that kind of payment.[/QUOTE]
You should search more
They have more than that money at their disposal...
WAY more money...
[editline]21st August 2014[/editline]
[B][I]Oh, I wonder if the salary given to those who fight for ISIS and also for their wives/children can serve as a clue for some users here who believe everything is based around religion and fanatism....[/I][/B]
[QUOTE]If you want stability over there you've got to train a massive army and hand them over the country.
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Failing at foreign policy since 1950's ish.....
[QUOTE]It seems obvious but once IS falls, heavy international aid and advice is going to be needed to alleviate the suffering caused by the conflict.
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Forget it, hasn't been done in decades, won't be done now. If the global powers give like 0 fucks on actually pressing Israel to stop doing stuff with the Palestinians, what makes us think that they will care about tese places(let's be honest, Middle East, is today with all these bloody revolutions and wars, a crappy place to live in)? Maybe they set up shop around places they do actually care and secure the vial and maritime infrastructure but more than that...no way.
Hope that by some miracle it actually happens...
nuclear weapons will never [I]ever[/I] be used again. No one wants to experience that, or be associated with it. No one wants to instantly wipe thousands of people from existance, and make a large area of land uninhabitable (though being so to begin with is debatable).
Nukes will [I]never[/I] be used. Not even russia wants to use nuclear weapons.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;45754188]nuclear weapons will never [I]ever[/I] be used again. No one wants to experience that, or be associated with it. No one wants to instantly wipe thousands of people from existance, and make a large area of land uninhabitable (though being so to begin with is debatable).
Nukes will [I]never[/I] be used. Not even russia wants to use nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE]
The fallout of nuclear weapons has been made minimal with their development.
And Hiroshima and Nagasaki are today habitable...just saying.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;45754213]The fallout of nuclear weapons has been made minimal with their development.
And Hiroshima and Nagasaki are today habitable...just saying.[/QUOTE]
and?
[QUOTE=Banned?;45753475]6,000 new recruits? Where are they getting all these people? What do they have, their own cloning program?[/QUOTE]
People actually migrate from Western countries en masse to come fight there. Visionary extremists you could call them. They usually leave their home country for reasons that include over-abundant racism and treatment of minorities as a 2nd class citizen (not necessarily in a major way but still mistreated often)
There are at least a small amount of muslims leaving the UK because of this. They believe they will be better accepted in the land of the Islamic State, and for the time being they're probably right.
For the time being.
It's hard to believe what lengths some people will go to defend their fake sky god.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;45745697]There's no way they have enough income to sustain that kind of pay, that's $2,520,000 minimum for the people who just joined up. Throw in the existing 7,000 fighters (low estimate), and you get a minimum of $5,320,000 add in families and foreigners, and it could easily be tens of millions each month. There's just no way they can sustain that kind of payment.[/QUOTE]
They actually have a ton of cash. They robbed a lot of banks and treasuries in iraq.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;45754483]It's hard to believe what lengths some people will go to defend their fake sky god.[/QUOTE]
I don't like to believe these people are taking the values of Islam to heart anyhow. Religion does however serve as a very useful device for justifying questionable actions, and if you do observe media regarding I.S. you will see that most everything they do down to the very policies that govern their impromptu state is justified by an interpretation of the Quran.
[QUOTE=headshotter;45748018]If you want stability over there you've got to train a massive army and hand them over the country.[/QUOTE]
We did, we've been grooming the Iraqi Army since the fall of Saddam.
Saddam probably had these guys under some control.
Wasn't IS funded / trained by America and other nations?
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