Microsoft shares hit by biggest sell-off since 2000 - Polidicks

This kinda makes me sad, I'm using a Surface Pro right now to post this and I actually love it so far. I think MS will probably give up on the whole Metro and Surface thing soon though, no company is stupid enough to keep going with an idea after losing that much money.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;41532883]No shit, that's been explained hundreds of times (hint = iterative update). The point is that there are people who actually like Windows 8 and just because some neckbeard on Facepunch doesn't, doesn't suddenly make the product unequivocally terrible.[/QUOTE] Of course opinions vary. Just don't try to claim yours as more valid than mine. [editline]20th July 2013[/editline] Why would I talk about something that I've never used? My laptop (very briefly) ran Windows 8.

[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41533050]Sony loses shares: Friendly ratings Microsoft loses shares: Winner ratings[/QUOTE] That is because people are mad at Microsoft for the Xbox One fiasco, whereas Sony has been pretty good.

Windows 8 is only nice with a touchscreen, I recently invested in an Asus with a touchscreen and it works nicely, when I had the beta on my desktop it was just annoying

I've used Windows 8, I'm using it right now, but good god there were some bad decisions. I've moved to every new version of Windows as soon as it's come out, but never have I seen one so weird as 8. Even turning off the PC without having to log out isn't in an obvious place. I feel that it's not a bad OS at all, but they really should've seen on making it more obvious at first. (Yes I know you can turn off using other methods, but it's sort of a habit to turn off my PC with the GUI)

It's not perfect. Windows 8.1 irons out the kinks. I imagine the Xbox One will be much the same way - a lot to hate at the start, but they'll iron it out later. Not a great business strategy, but Microsoft hasn't been known for that as of late.

Is it bad if I like the Metro interface?

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;41532495]Launch XP was 10 times worse.[/QUOTE] Whoops, I slipped and made a correction on my way down.

Microsoft is a masive company, I'm sure they can deal with some critsism on the internet. Windows 8 & RT are hardly the worst things they've ever done.

Windows 8, The Xbox One and now this trail of failed patches. No wonder they are falling.

How to boost windows 8 and surface sales in two easy steps: 1. Drop Metro UI for windows 8 2. Price drop for surface tablet because who the fuck is going to buy a tablet that costs the same as an ultrabook

For the longest time i thought Windows 8 for the PC was kinda dumb and pointless. Then i actually installed it and Windows 8.1 and i fucking love it. Its really good with duel monitors too.

[QUOTE=Pinnacle441;41533142]This kinda makes me sad, I'm using a Surface Pro right now to post this and I actually love it so far. I think MS will probably give up on the whole Metro and Surface thing soon though, no company is stupid enough to keep going with an idea after losing that much money.[/QUOTE] Surface Pro would be the best tab on the market if not for it's huge price.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41532443]What's wrong with it?[/QUOTE] GFWL, that and the fact that if you want to write something down you see in a picture, you cant put windows side by side, you have to alt-tab, wait 1 second for transition to pic, alt-tab to desktop, write, alt-tab to pic, wait 1 second for transition, etc.. windows 7: put notepad next to photo viewer, write. basically, windows 8 isnt windows 8, its -window- 8. Metro isn't 100% avoidable, either. win7 is just nice because i never have to see metro, ever. plus, classic shell(the start menu program for windows 8) can't search like win7 does.

What does GFWL have to do with Windows 8?

I tried Win8 at Best Buy once. I was too fucking confused on how to get back to metro from desktop, metro layout was confusing and I didn't know how to get back to metro from most of the apps.

[QUOTE=redBadger;41534889]Surface Pro would be the best tab on the market if not for it's huge price.[/QUOTE] Not really. I'm a huge fan of Windows 8, and I was pretty hyped for the Surface Pro - but it really isn't the best tablet. The thing is, the stuff it can do that is touch-only is pretty much what the RT (for example) can; it'll just burn out at half the time. When it comes to actual work applications, the touch cover is simply not as good as what you might find on a convertible, such as the Dell XPS 12. But let me revise: it may be the best x86-64 tablet on the market (though the W700 has longer battery life), but right now convertibles are a better alternative if you want to get work done.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;41535376]GFWL, that and the fact that if you want to write something down you see in a picture, you cant put windows side by side, you have to alt-tab, wait 1 second for transition to pic, alt-tab to desktop, write, alt-tab to pic, wait 1 second for transition, etc.. windows 7: put notepad next to photo viewer, write.[/QUOTE] Uh... Yeah you can. Open picture with Paint, pull up Notepad via just clicking the windows keyboard and typing "notepad" and just click enter. Then write away. [QUOTE=willtheoct;41535376]basically, windows 8 isnt windows 8, its -window- 8.[/quote] Wut. Windows 8 is Windows 8. Just because it's not exactly what the previous Windows have been, doesn't make it bad. [QUOTE=willtheoct;41535376]Metro isn't 100% avoidable, either. win7 is just nice because i never have to see metro, ever. plus, classic shell(the start menu program for windows 8) can't search like win7 does.[/quote] Once again... Wut. Just install [url=https://www.pokki.com/windows-8-start-menu]Pokki[/url] or [url=http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/]Start8[/url] if it's that big of an issue. Hating Windows 8 for having Metro is making a mountain out of a molehill. People still make modded versions of Windows, and applications to return the experience to what the user wants. Stuff like the start bar(without metro) have been out since the very start of Windows 8, and bitching about it is nonsense. One simple search engine search will give you 1000's of options for anything you want.

Had to use win 8 to show someone how to check their e-mail. I hate it, its like 2 operating systems, programs aren't constant between metro and the desktop, and the way you change between with that mouse in the corner shit looks like something from a half finished video game.

[QUOTE=willtheoct;41535376]GFWL that and the fact that if you want to write something down you see in a picture you have to alt-tab, wait 1 second for transition to pic, alt-tab to desktop, write, alt-tab to pic, wait 1 second for transition, etc.. [/QUOTE] How is GFWL related to Windows 8? Also, if you bothered to look for 10 seconds or use any knowledge from previous versions of windows, you can [I]change it.[/I] Step 1 (pick it as your default program if you want!): [t]http://i.imgur.com/MrUUh0Q.png[/t] Step 2: [t]http://i.imgur.com/9Z69bRB.png[/t] Tada. Also you can totally have the win8 photo viewer and the desktop viewable at the same time. Given you need to zoom in for photos larger than like 300px, but that is fixed with 8.1. [t]http://i.imgur.com/d6lvu9J.jpg[/t] Also you totally contradicted yourself? You said Metro isn't avoidable, but when you say one of the ways to avoid metro, you say it just can't search.

[QUOTE=Joker169;41532466]Windows 8 isn't terrible: Metro is. Just install a start menu button, disable hot corners and you've basicly got a better version of windows 7, plus you never even have to enter the metro menu.[/QUOTE] metro is fine if you get used to it????????????????????????????????

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41535475]What does GFWL have to do with Windows 8?[/QUOTE] Doesn't work. well, at least that's been my experience with dead rising 2. works on all win7 machines, not a single win8 one. because GFWL wont install properly. i know several games have GFWL-bypassing patches, but this is one that does not. also at the time i had win8, none of the GFWL games had these patches [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41535758]Uh... Yeah you can. Open picture with Paint, pull up Notepad via just clicking the windows keyboard and typing "notepad" and just click enter. Then write away. Wut. Windows 8 is Windows 8. Just because it's not exactly what the previous Windows have been, doesn't make it bad. Once again... Wut. Just install [url=https://www.pokki.com/windows-8-start-menu]Pokki[/url] or [url=http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/]Start8[/url] if it's that big of an issue. Hating Windows 8 for having Metro is making a mountain out of a molehill. People still make modded versions of Windows, and applications to return the experience to what the user wants. Stuff like the start bar(without metro) have been out since the very start of Windows 8, and bitching about it is nonsense. One simple search engine search will give you 1000's of options for anything you want.[/QUOTE] well once you've established that metro isn't good, what does win8 have to make people and businesses upgrade? because the answer always seems to be metro, and metro is shit, so there needs to be something else. i think you misunderstand when i say its window 8. the whole metro interface, and its apps, put emphasis on running a single window, in fullscreen. this is the very idea that the original windows 1.0 was made to change. they want to not have multiple windows, instead they only want to have one. [QUOTE=The freeman;41536277]How is GFWL related to Windows 8? Also, if you bothered to look for 10 seconds or use any knowledge from previous versions of windows, you can [I]change it.[/I] Also you totally contradicted yourself? You said Metro isn't avoidable, but when you say one of the ways to avoid metro, you say it just can't search.[/QUOTE] try opening a GIF. photo viewer is not included as an option, instead you have to go through the registry and add a certain DLL(which is the photo viewer) to the GIF filetype. paint is an OK substitute but has things in the way that aren't necessary when viewing pictures. and yes, of course with mass amounts of tweaking you can get win8 to run as workflow-friendly as windows 7, but in some cases, tweaks arent an option(stubborn management at a workplace, or in my case, a college where all PCs reset to defaults upon login), and besides, why bother switching to the next OS in the first place? edit: and believe me, i'm not a fanboy. i tried to like windows 8. so hard. i used it as my only OS for 3 months, and i always looked for -good- new features. i do like the settings app; i think it's very well designed, and intuitive. much easier than the control panel settings. i know they've also made changes to DirectX that i've been told are [url=http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/windows/apps/hh802478]prominent in direct2d[/url], plus GPU and CPU sharing RAM in DX11.2. but none of these are good enough reasons for a consumer or business to get a new system, and add the inconvenience of setting it up to work like win7, no one would want it if it was free. edit 2: also the progress bar and task manager are much better. and to quote a friend who got windows 8 because it was cheaper in his case: "windows 8 is just windows 7 with a lot of stuff i want to disable."

Windows 8 isn't bad once you just take a couple days to learn it. My laptop with W8 boots slightly faster than my desktop Windows 7 (although it could be due to other factors). Also gonna buy a bunch of stock Monday

[QUOTE=Wazbat;41536092]Had to use win 8 to show someone how to check their e-mail. I hate it, its like 2 operating systems, programs aren't constant between metro and the desktop, and the way you change between with that mouse in the corner shit looks like something from a half finished video game.[/QUOTE] You literally don't have to use any Metro applications if you don't want to. And the email client is pretty nice, especially compared to having no email client. I recommend installing 8.1 when it comes out, and then learn to use it.

Fuck no wonder the Surface has had poor demand, the stupid ads that Microsoft have made for it do not make me feel like getting one at all. [editline]22nd July 2013[/editline] Tell me, do you watch this ad and think 'oh I really want a Surface right now' [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr3dFSzh1yU&feature=player_detailpage&list=PLNA-j_cL4mUQfVcjrQiARsekT66OdqSPQ[/media] [editline]22nd July 2013[/editline] Oh yeah one final thing, I'm obviously not a professional in the field of finance but yeah don't think 'oh the value of MS stock just dropped I better buy low so I can sell high!'. If you are very serious about buying stock I would greatly recommend a thorough analysis of recent financial statements released by Microsoft before making any decision. Same goes for any firm on the stock market. Common sense really, but obviously some Facepunchers lacked that when they saw THQ do that Humble Bundle thing and thought it would reverse the fate of the company (and so they bought stocks), despite the fact that the firm was going to collapse imminently regardless.

[QUOTE=BackSapper;41532550]It's the exact same as Windows 7, but prettier. It still has the same practicality, philosophy, and productivity that the old Start Menu had. I find it's best experienced with multiple Windows 8 computers, I love it with the Three computers + Windows Tablet I use daily.[/QUOTE] Windows 8 is a broken piece of shit. I recently installed tunngle, and it immediately set the tunngle network adapter as the default internet adapter, even after I deleted it. I had to reset my network via netsh. Printer drivers STILL don't fucking every work. When clicking links in chat clients like ICQ or steam, it ALWAYS opens up a "local" copy that is stored in temp instead of the fucking link (the browser will show an URL like C:\windows\temp\blahblah). The entire metro UI is alienating me. Windows pretty much has a bastard of an interface now, with the old UI and Metro being kind of mashed up, and thus everything being extremely inconsistent. Basically, I had a better experience with Vista.

Let's not forget the XBONE fiasco that cause them to lost 80% of their loyal customers

[QUOTE=Lolkork;41541151]I don't think that microsoft will go bankrupt anytime soon, they still earn a lot of money from the sales of W7, Xbox + games, and office software, but there's really no reason to buy stocks just because they are low.[/QUOTE] The Windows division actually grew 5% YoY. If I remember correctly Microsoft has been earning around 6.5b per quarter for the last ling while. 900 million for the surface easily makes up the difference to the normal. [editline]21st July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BCell;41541235]Let's not forget the XBONE fiasco that cause them to lost 80% of their loyal customers[/QUOTE] Xbox One hasn't even launched yet, and 90% of statistics are made up on the spot. And microsoft's "loyal cutomers" aren't the Xbox userbase - it's Dell, HP, etc. plus all the companies around the world relying on Office and whatnot. Lets not forget to go completely hyperboly.

[QUOTE=OH-SNAP!;41533137]This Microsoft hate train is ridiculous, tbh.[/QUOTE] For every bandwagon there's always that guy who has to create one that goes in the opposite direction.

What I meant was the loyal XBOX customers were one of a large portion of Microsoft investors. Windows 8 is good for tablet PCs but they made a huge mistake of making it a standard for a normal computers. This isn't the matter of lacking of the start button but a sudden change of user interface that caused people to avoid windows 8.