Lara Croft gets a "realistic" redesign from eating disorder support group
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I mean, women still struggle everywhere in the business world to receive the same pay for the same work, and to have their talents be equally valued in general when they are equal to those of men they're competing against. Women have basically been forced to cater to men's tastes in order to get anywhere ever since they have been allowed to get jobs at all, because it was all in the hands of men.
[editline]27th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48307805]Everybody wants to be beautiful but there is no objective definition of what is and is not beautiful; the general point being made is that Western standards of attractiveness are determined by media, marketing, fashion retailers etc. which are largely male-dominated.[/QUOTE]
This.
also, automerge.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48307805]Everybody wants to be beautiful but there is no objective definition of what is and is not beautiful; the general point being made is that Western standards of attractiveness are determined by media, marketing, fashion retailers etc. which are largely male-dominated.[/QUOTE]
Yes, men usually define what's attractive in women, and women define what's attractive in men. That's the way it works. Also, much of the fashion industry is dominated by gay men.
[QUOTE=Sweet Berries;48307590]I certainly didn't say it's an attack on thin people, how ironic of your own post when you start telling people they're missing the point.
That aside it also has nothing to do with mental illness. Fact of the fact is if you get up and work for it you will become fit. A mental illness, unless extremely severe and crippling, does not make you incapable of a healthy diet and committing to exercise. Strong feelings of the need to eat unhealthy food and being lazy is not one of those illnesses. Even your doctor will tell you that you're capable of controlling yourself with effort despite an 'eating disorder'. It's not forcing you to gain weight. It's not a life sentence to an inability to be however fit you want. And it certainly shouldn't mean that others should be tricked into believing that a good body isn't a realistic option just because some people can't work for it. Im sure nobody literally believes they're going to get a barbie tight waist.[/QUOTE]
I'm actually the first to tell people all these things, I've lived the story myself and lost 62 pounds and I can attest to how easy it was for me. But these eating disorders don't only involve people being fat, actually these are the opposite. This is people wanting to be thin but resort to unhealthy habits and getting to dangerously low weights to get to the point where they're incredibly malnourished. I see what you're arguing, but you're fighting against the wrong cause. This isn't "oh fat people want to be accepted too :(" this is people's well beings at stake.
So yeah, look up what you're talking about before you spout nonsense, there's more eating disorders than the ones that involve eating a lot of food.
[QUOTE=SheikYabouti;48307840]I mean, women still struggle everywhere in the business world to receive the same pay for the same work, and to have their talents be equally valued in general when they are equal to those of men they're competing against. Women have basically been forced to cater to men's tastes in order to get anywhere ever since they have been allowed to get jobs at all, because it was all in the hands of men.[/QUOTE]
Wow, What a great display of ignorance. I bet you believe in the gender pay gap.
[QUOTE=eirexe;48307586]I know this is has probably already been answered, but shantae is a cartoon character.[/QUOTE]
So is Tifa and that didn't stop them
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;48307976]Wow, What a great display of ignorance. I bet you believe in the gender pay gap.[/QUOTE]
Wow. What a great display of superior knowledge. I don't even know what else to say.
[QUOTE=SheikYabouti;48307840]I mean, women still struggle everywhere in the business world to receive the same pay for the same work, and to have their talents be equally valued in general when they are equal to those of men they're competing against. Women have basically been forced to cater to men's tastes in order to get anywhere ever since they have been allowed to get jobs at all[/QUOTE]
Do you seriously believe this? Like, do you? For real? I'm not sure any more if you're a troll or not.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48307945]Yes, men usually define what's attractive in women, and women define what's attractive in men. That's the way it works. Also, much of the fashion industry is dominated by gay men.[/QUOTE]
Except in practice it doesn't because both men and women's beauty standards are determined by male industries. Also, that last sentence is a complete non-sequitur.
[QUOTE]both men and women's beauty standards are determined by male industries.[/QUOTE]
Is it really? Just think about the men who are thought of as extremely attractive. They are, exclusively, men who women find extremely attractive. That's the standard. In fact, I can't think of a single man who's thought to be very attractive, but isn't generally attractive to women.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48308084]Also, that last sentence is a complete non-sequitur.[/QUOTE]
The last sentence matters because the fashion is made from a perspective of a person not sexually attracted to women. The bias of male desire for women just generally isn't there.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48308084]Except in practice it doesn't because both men and women's beauty standards are determined by male industries. Also, that last sentence is a complete non-sequitur.[/QUOTE]Or maybe the industry uses the most attractive people they can find? You can't simply define what's attractive by going "hey you girls, this is now attractive". Cause if it worked like that and industry was dominated by men, wouldn't it make sense to make average man the most attractive instead of 6ft+ muscular ones with chiseled jaws?
I don't think attraction is as plastic as some people seem to think it is. I have yet to see any evidence that the shapes and features people find attractive can be altered.
I certainly know that I can't change the things I'm attracted to.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;48308282]I don't think attraction is as plastic as some people seem to think it is. I have yet to see any evidence that the shapes and features people find attractive can be altered.
I certainly know that I can't change the things I'm attracted to.[/QUOTE]
I certainly have no idea why some people think that industry has so much power that it can regulate what's attractive. Industry uses what is already attractive to get money. They do not impose standards. They can impose a fashion trend but that's not even closely related to attraction.
The fashion industry is run by women and gay men.
The magazine industry is run by women and gay men.
The vast majority of television programming is designed for women and a significant part of it is directed and written by women. Do you really think corporate executives don't do studies to work out what their target audience enjoys?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48308084]Except in practice it doesn't because both men and women's beauty standards are determined by male industries. Also, that last sentence is a complete non-sequitur.[/QUOTE]
You're ignoring the fact that industries do market research where they question their potential costumers about what they would consume. No one just pushes stuff in the market.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48308332]I certainly have no idea why some people think that industry has so much power that it can regulate what's attractive. Industry uses what is already attractive to get money. They do not impose standards. They can impose a fashion trend but that's not even closely related to attraction.[/QUOTE]
But it's well known that before 20th century men were looking for [i]larger[/i] women /s Just forget that corsets, often ridiculously tight, ever existed and you're good to go.
[QUOTE=gudman;48308800]But it's well known that before 20th century men were looking for [i]larger[/i] women /s Just forget that corsets, often ridiculously tight, ever existed and you're good to go.[/QUOTE]
For the most part they were looking for women with larger hips and thighs though, it was a sign of fertility and made it more likely that child birth would go smoothly.
[QUOTE=gudman;48308800]But it's well known that before 20th century men were looking for [i]larger[/i] women /s Just forget that corsets, often ridiculously tight, ever existed and you're good to go.[/QUOTE]
before the 20th century, a woman who could lift a wheelbarrow and plow a field was damn sexy
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see, this was a very handsome woman back then
I just don't get it.
How does shooping imaginary characters to be fat help raise awareness for bulimia? If anything it would be used about the rising rates of obesity.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;48308881]For the most part they were looking for women with larger hips and thighs though, it was a sign of fertility and made it more likely that child birth would go smoothly.[/QUOTE]
Yep, that goes long way down the history, my point being that thinner women were considered preferable by the upper classes way before the beauty industry and media as we know them today took hold.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;48307822]She's a video game character animated in 2D, she's never been in a cartoon.[/QUOTE]
Cartoon-like, you know what I meant.
[QUOTE=eirexe;48310780]Cartoon-like, you know what I meant.[/QUOTE]
...And?
Whats that got to do with anything?
[QUOTE=Sweet Berries;48306619]So, fat people avoid losing weight and living healthy lives by trying to convince healthy people that they aren't realistic by using [b][i]video game characters[/b][/i]?
I doubt the people who made this have a real 'eating disorder'. They had enough time to sit around on their double XXL computer chairs and make this angsty shit when they could have been seeing a doctor for help or you know just working out and eating a proper diet.[/QUOTE]
This isn't for helping fat people be okay with being fat, it's about helping anorexic/bulemic people to stop thinking they have to keep starving themselves.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;48310873]...And?
Whats that got to do with anything?[/QUOTE]
That means that shantae can have unrealistic proportions, because she's a drawing.
[QUOTE=eirexe;48311796]That means that shantae can have unrealistic proportions, because she's a drawing.[/QUOTE]
And how is that different from a 3D model having unrealistic proportions? They're polygons.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;48311800]And how is that different from a 3D model having unrealistic proportions? They're polygons.[/QUOTE]
Her art style doesn't look remotely like it's trying to be realistic. A lot of video game art styles tend towards realism in some form, especially in more recent years (relatively normal sized people, higher levels of detail, etc.). Seems like a bad choice of words on eirexes' part.
You can get away with silly proportions when your art style is clearly going in that direction. It's a bit harder to justify a stick thin god-king of fighting or a morbidly obese master of acrobatics otherwise.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48308903]before the 20th century, a woman who could lift a wheelbarrow and plow a field was damn sexy[/QUOTE]
are you implying that most women today are capable of doing that
I mean most men aren't either but still
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48307805]Everybody wants to be beautiful but there is no objective definition of what is and is not beautiful; the general point being made is that Western standards of attractiveness are determined by media, marketing, fashion retailers etc. which are largely male-dominated.[/QUOTE]
Don't act like what is and isn't attractive entirely depends on standards set up by society. There's a reason people are more attracted to fit and thus healthy people, and that has nothing to do with societies being supposedly male-dominated or not. The idea that a mere industry is capable of changing sexual preferences that are mainly instinctive in nature is ridiculous, not to mention that they have no inherent motive to uphold those standards in the first place. How exactly does it profit them to impose skinniness as a beauty criterion? If that was how it worked they'd rather promote looking like landwhales and get sponsored by MacDonald's.
[editline]28th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48311516]This isn't for helping fat people be okay with being fat, it's about helping anorexic/bulemic people to stop thinking they have to keep starving themselves.[/QUOTE]
They don't need to turn those characters into fatties to do that though? Simply giving them realistic proportions and physiognomy would be much more beneficial.
Anorexic people who are so obsessed with losing weight they end up starving themselves will just see those redesigns and find them ridiculous, whereas if those characters were kept sexy but made more realistic they'd have an incentive to try and look like them by putting on some (muscle) weight and thus eat reasonably.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48314159]They don't need to turn those characters into fatties to do that though?[/QUOTE]
No, and I never said they do. I was pointing out the purpose of the whole thing to that guy because apparently he only read the thread title and instantly assumed this was a fat acceptance thing.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48312817]Her art style doesn't look remotely like it's trying to be realistic. A lot of video game art styles tend towards realism in some form, especially in more recent years (relatively normal sized people, higher levels of detail, etc.). Seems like a bad choice of words on eirexes' part.
You can get away with silly proportions when your art style is clearly going in that direction. It's a bit harder to justify a stick thin god-king of fighting or a morbidly obese master of acrobatics otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but that list in the OP Has Nabooru too.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48308064]Do you seriously believe this? Like, do you? For real? I'm not sure any more if you're a troll or not.[/QUOTE]
Do you seriously believe we have achieved complete equality between women and men? Do you seriously believe we do NOT live in a world dominated by men?
And here you are wondering if [B]I[/B] am a troll.
Jesus Christ. I'm at a loss for words.
Somebody please ban me for a few days before I smash my screen over how much of a fucking self-righteous ignorant fool you are.
[editline]28th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48308213]Or maybe the industry uses the most attractive people they can find? You can't simply define what's attractive by going "hey you girls, this is now attractive". Cause if it worked like that and industry was dominated by men, wouldn't it make sense to make average man the most attractive instead of 6ft+ muscular ones with chiseled jaws?[/QUOTE]
God fucking dammit, are you really so fucking dense or are [B]you[/B] the troll here?
Where's the difference between "defining what's attractive" and being the person who gets to bloody choose the "most attractive" people they can find? What do you think by whose definition they are attractive then?
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