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[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;44744867]Consent in a case of teacher/student is very difficult to figure out because of the power that teachers hold over students, even if the student is over the legal age. Of course if the student is under the age then they legally [I]cannot[/I] give consent, so talking about it as if it could possibly be "consensual" is fucking nonsense.[/QUOTE] As I stated I agree teacher/student relationships are ill advised regardless of the ages of those involved. I just think legal consent is an unhelpful concept that devalues the importance of actual consent. If you can cross invisible lines on the map and have the age at which you can consent change I find it hard to conclude that age of consent in the place I currently reside is definitely the right one and everyone else is definitely wrong. I don't think discussing consent in a non-legal context is nonsense, the legal age at which someone can give consent can and does change and varies around the world. I don't see why something can happen in Berlin or Paris and be consensual but if the same were to happen in London or Washington it would be statutory rape. But I do however think that basing morality the on laws of the nation you happened to be born into is nonsense.
[QUOTE=I'm invisible;44744071]the whole "emotionally ready" shit is not just a load. All you young facepunchers out there, if you ever get the feeling like you wish they would stop, even a little bit, but you keep going just to make them happy, stop, because it can really mess with your head.[/QUOTE] The problem is this incident was with his whole class cheering him on, so can you imagine the shit he would have gotten if he tried to make it stop
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[QUOTE=Aidan_088;44744929]As I stated I agree teacher/student relationships are ill advised regardless of the ages of those involved. I just think legal consent is an unhelpful concept that devalues the importance of actual consent. If you can cross invisible lines on the map and have the age at which you can consent change I find it hard to conclude that age of consent in the place I currently reside is definitely the right one and everyone else is definitely wrong. I don't think discussing consent in a non-legal context is nonsense, the legal age at which someone can give consent can and does change and varies around the world. I don't see why something can happen in Berlin or Paris and be consensual but if the same were to happen in London or Washington it would be statutory rape. But I do however think that basing morality the on laws of the nation you happened to be born into is nonsense.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I get what you're saying. Consent is complicated and boiling it down to a few rules is vastly over-simplifying things. The main complications arise from differences in power, and age is one of the obvious ones, as is employer/employee and teacher/student.
First time I saw him was when Jon Stewart went on Crossfire. He was a dick then too.
I used to support the "oh well the teacher was hot" argument, but then I realized that while one person can enjoy it, it could scar another for life.
Am I the only one that thinks people are taking both sides of this argument to the extreme? I consider it to be sexual assault, but I don't believe she should go to prison for it. Perhaps a psychological evaluation and revocation of her teaching credentials (which will already ruin her life as she'll probably never find work again). She made a very bad decision but I have a hard time believing a clothed lap dance will scar a 15 year old boy for life. Rape, yes, but a lapdance? I'm on the fence about it. Perhaps the boy should be counseled and a decision made based on how badly it effected him. In some countries this would be considered completely legal.
Did anyone read about the situation? The amount of peer-pressure involved sounds insane. Regardless of whether or not he wanted it to happen, I don't think he'd be able to decline given the amount of pressure put on him. This is sexual harrassment/abuse no matter which way you flip it, a teacher should never sexually approach a student. Even ignoring the fact that the kid is underage, turning down advances from a trusted authority figure is clearly not the same as having to turn down one of your peers, that's part of being an "authority"; you're not equals, they have power over you. I feel horrible for the kid, and just like the guy in the video posted I'm sure he has to play it off like he enjoyed it even if he didn't, in fear of social stigmatizing.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;44745922]Did anyone read about the situation? The amount of peer-pressure involved sounds insane. Regardless of whether or not he wanted it to happen, I don't think he'd be able to decline given the amount of pressure put on him. This is sexual harrassment/abuse no matter which way you flip it, a teacher should never sexually approach a student. Even ignoring the fact that the kid is underage, turning down advances from a trusted authority figure is clearly not the same as having to turn down one of your peers, that's part of being an "authority"; you're not equals, they have power over you. I feel horrible for the kid, and just like the guy in the video posted I'm sure he has to play it off like he enjoyed it even if he didn't, in fear of social stigmatizing.[/QUOTE] This is what makes me think he should be counseled in private where he feels safe enough to express how he felt about it. For all we know the peer pressure had no effect on his decision making, we're kinda grabbing at straws without evaluating how he was actually effected by it.
There is absolutely no situation where a teacher having sexual interactions with a minor student is acceptable, in my opinion. Even an adult teacher and adult student, while legal, should often be grounds for termination. The potential for abuse in any sexual situation where one party holds a position of authority over the other is too high. I'm not usually surprised by Fox News' terribleness, but they're often giving men's rights activists and anti-feminists a platform on their network so this [i]does[/i] come as a surprise since it's so contrary to the views they've expressed in the past. They point out the double-standard that exists, and now they go and reinforce it. That's pretty despicable.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;44746067]There is absolutely no situation where a teacher having sexual interactions with a minor student is acceptable, in my opinion. Even an adult teacher and adult student, while legal, should often be grounds for termination.[/QUOTE] I've always wondered what the approach to this happening in an adult student/ teacher relationship is. One of the professors of the Philosophy department at my university is well known for sleeping with his students on occasion. Apparently he's a pretty awful lecturer, but decent enough at whatever it is philosophy lecturers do outside of teaching to stay on board. It doesn't seem right, as even though the lecturer doesn't necessarily hold as much power over you as a normal teacher would, and they are both consenting adults, the lecturer still holds enough power to affect your education. The main reason you've come to university.
[QUOTE=pgr2gamer;44744587]I'm 15 and I wanna give my virginity to my true love ( If I ever find someone like that :c ) Not some shitty hot slut who'll die like 30 years before I do I think it's particularly middle schoolers that would do their teachers. This post was way too embarrassing to type[/QUOTE] Don't worry; you'll be able to see this post in 5 years when you're 20 and reflect. I've been here for 8 goddamn years
[QUOTE=cqbcat;44743947]The teacher in question: [IMG]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Felicia-Smith.png[/IMG] Cringe. Not really that hot. The needle on my hot meter isn't even twitching.[/QUOTE] Her physical appearance is irrelevant. Also can we have ONE fucking thread where people refrain from pointing out how hot or not the women are? It doesn't fucking matter at all, unless the article is about fashion or beauty products.
“I would be hard pressed to find a 15-to-17-year-old boy that doesn’t dream of being seduced by a hot teacher.” Well, I'm 16 and haven't dreamed of that even once. Does that count?
[QUOTE=Bazsil;44742228]I started this long post completely picking this article apart but it got really long because really every single fucking thing about this is dumb Leave it to a Fox News commentator to argue that a middle school teacher should not be punished in any way for giving a 15-year old kid a lap dance in the middle of a classroom because he thinks she is hot No only the female ones, otherwise it's rape[/QUOTE] Only the attractive female ones. And plenty of girls have eyes for attractive male teachers, I wouldn't really call it a double standard.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;44747299]Her physical appearance is irrelevant. Also can we have ONE fucking thread where people refrain from pointing out how hot or not the women are? It doesn't fucking matter at all, unless the article is about fashion or beauty products.[/QUOTE] Except this post is totally relevant in this thread? The article is about a commentator saying the lap dance was ok because she was hot. I don't see how "not really that hot" is an inappropriate comment?
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;44744929]As I stated I agree teacher/student relationships are ill advised regardless of the ages of those involved. I just think legal consent is an unhelpful concept that devalues the importance of actual consent. If you can cross invisible lines on the map and have the age at which you can consent change I find it hard to conclude that age of consent in the place I currently reside is definitely the right one and everyone else is definitely wrong. I don't think discussing consent in a non-legal context is nonsense, the legal age at which someone can give consent can and does change and varies around the world. I don't see why something can happen in Berlin or Paris and be consensual but if the same were to happen in London or Washington it would be statutory rape. But I do however think that basing morality the on laws of the nation you happened to be born into is nonsense.[/QUOTE] Come on man, I know you have to take every opportunity possible to complain about how you think the age of consent is too high because it isn't 13 or whatever, but can't you find a better thread to argue your position than a thread about an adult in a position of authority taking advantage of a student?
[QUOTE=Rubs10;44747658] And plenty of girls have eyes for attractive male teachers, I wouldn't really call it a double standard.[/QUOTE] Society would react to it differently if the genders were swapped.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;44748833]Except this post is totally relevant in this thread? The article is about a commentator saying the lap dance was ok because she was hot. I don't see how "not really that hot" is an inappropriate comment?[/QUOTE] Personally I see the issue is that comments like these sort of back up the societal attitudes that make being a victim of sexual abuse so shitty for everyone, men/boys and women/girls alike. So yeah, you shouldn't be judging a (suspected?) abuser on how much you personally find them attractive. It's tasteless and harmful. Also, comments like that are really fucking stupid. Nobody gives a shit how aroused you are. EDIT: Best automerge NA
[QUOTE=Rubs10;44747658] And plenty of girls have eyes for attractive male teachers, I wouldn't really call it a double standard.[/QUOTE] Dude what There isnt a double standard?? Have you even made an attempt to imagine the massive shitstorm that would have occurred had this been a male teacher giving a female student a lapdance? People would be calling for his blood, not laughing about it because he could be hot and all girls think about is sex.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;44748833]Except this post is totally relevant in this thread? The article is about a commentator saying the lap dance was ok because she was hot. I don't see how "not really that hot" is an inappropriate comment?[/QUOTE] Except he didn't say that it was "ok." He said: "There are people out there who believe that criminal sanctions should be brought against this woman, and I think that's deranged." He literally goes on to explain that he just doesn't think giving a lapdance to a 15 your old kid who (most likely) didn't have much of a problem with it should send her to jail. My own opinion is that the teacher's actions were reprehensible and that she should immediately be fired and the kid should be given a week of private counseling to ensure that he's alright, but I agree that the teacher shouldn't be sent to prison over a lap dance to a kid who's over the age of consent in most of the world.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;44746067]There is absolutely no situation where a teacher having sexual interactions with a minor student is acceptable, in my opinion. Even an adult teacher and adult student, while legal, should often be grounds for termination. The potential for abuse in any sexual situation where one party holds a position of authority over the other is too high. I'm not usually surprised by Fox News' terribleness, but they're often giving men's rights activists and anti-feminists a platform on their network so this [i]does[/i] come as a surprise since it's so contrary to the views they've expressed in the past. They point out the double-standard that exists, and now they go and reinforce it. That's pretty despicable.[/QUOTE] i can't imagine there being a single school that doesn't outline that student-teacher relationships are unacceptable in their code of conduct
[QUOTE=Kljunas;44748833]Except this post is totally relevant in this thread? The article is about a commentator saying the lap dance was ok because she was hot. I don't see how "not really that hot" is an inappropriate comment?[/QUOTE] Because whether somebody is "hot" or not doesn't fucking matter if it's [I]sexual harassment.[/I] Completely, utterly, and totally irrelevant. I'm not just talking about forum posts here, this also goes towards that Fox moron. Is it somehow more acceptable if she's "hot?" Less acceptable if she's "not?" D, none of the above. She could've been a goddamn mutant, zombie, or werewolf for all I care, because all that matters is that she had the audacity to fool around with underage kids.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44743694]One of their people is a Filipino and wrote a book defending the Japanese internment. They are literally scum. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/InDefenseOfInternment.jpeg[/img] Wow holyshit im on her wikipedia page and it gets worse. What a fucking asshole.[/QUOTE] Filipina* [editline]8th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;44746289]I've always wondered what the approach to this happening in an adult student/ teacher relationship is. One of the professors of the Philosophy department at my university is well known for sleeping with his students on occasion. Apparently he's a pretty awful lecturer, but decent enough at whatever it is philosophy lecturers do outside of teaching to stay on board. It doesn't seem right, as even though the lecturer doesn't necessarily hold as much power over you as a normal teacher would, and they are both consenting adults, the lecturer still holds enough power to affect your education. The main reason you've come to university.[/QUOTE] Knowing a student that sleeps with professors (and in this case all of her bosses etc) was weird because it was like a guessing game (how will she do, will she need to, will she want to, will they accept...)
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