BREAKING: Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich resigns amids anti-gay controversy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44444543]I'm a liberal(I guess) and I'd never take away anyones right to say anything[/QUOTE] Some people seem to think the fact that I disagree with what someone says must mean I wish they didn't have the right to say it. It sounds like projection to me.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44444911]Doesn't matter if it was legal or anything, doesn't mean he deserves to be respected for it. And he represented Mozilla, and they decided he wasn't good representation. Big deal that it was legal, he's still a bigot.[/QUOTE] Eh, I guess you're right. A position as high as CEO should be more careful about these sorts of things, even if he does have these opinions, he should have known to keep them to himself.

[QUOTE=Oizen;44444879]Everyone's going on about how he was taking away peoples rights. The guy made a donation, legally, to a bill that hadn't even been passed yet. His opinion is skewed but it wasn't illegal, and said donation now cost him his job. I'm not sure how I feel about this.[/QUOTE] Just put in terms of "What if he did this to black people" and it suddenly should make it very clear.

I remember hearing a saying somewhere: I may not approve of your point of view, but I will fight for your right to preach it. It honestly doesn't matter what his standpoint was, especially in a professional environment.

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445005]I remember hearing a saying somewhere: I may not approve of your point of view, but I will fight for your right to preach it. It honestly doesn't matter what his standpoint was, especially in a professional environment.[/QUOTE] Nobody's right to free speech has been impacted in any way in this series of events.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44444934]Some people seem to think the fact that I disagree with what someone says must mean I wish they didn't have the right to say it. It sounds like projection to me.[/QUOTE] Sounds like a persecution complex to me. [editline]3rd April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44444558]I mean really, I do support the LGBT community and hope for equal rights for all[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but this is very unconvincing and farcical when you go to such lengths to defend a privileged upper-class bigot and never once have I seen you defend minorities who are suffering every day because of people like Brendan Eich. [editline]3rd April 2014[/editline] Stop trying to rationalize bigotry if you do not want people to doubt your sincerity and sympathy.

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[QUOTE=AntonioR;44441995]A person was forced to resign because of his beliefs. You need to be pro-gay to run a company today ?[/QUOTE] Being anti-gay is no different than being openly racist. You can't dislike people because of traits that they are born with.

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445099]The guy was run out of his own company for his stand on gay marriage. If that's not an impact on some one's rights, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE] it's not actually an infringement of his rights at all

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445099]The guy was run out of his own company for his stand on gay marriage. If that's not an impact on some one's rights, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE] Nobody's rights were infringed. nobody said he couldn't believe that gays shouldn't marry, what happened was mass disagreement with his beliefs, and public opinion decided that he should not run a pro-LGBT company. Again, [I]nobody[/I] said he didn't have the right to believe what he does.

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445099]The guy was run out of his own company for his stand on gay marriage. If that's not an impact on some one's rights, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE] Ooh more persecution complex "HELP IM BEING OPPRESSED BECAUSE I CANT DONATE TO ANTI-GAY LEGISLATION WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES" Stop pretending you give a shit about people's rights. If you had an ounce of empathy you'd be more worried about the rights of GSMs, women, black people etc that are trampled on every day, not some CEO who very likely hasn't faced any meaningful discrimination in his life.

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[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445200]Okay just ignore the infringement of rights crap that wasn't the point of what I was trying to say. "I may not approve of your point of view, but I will fight for your right to preach it," is basically saying that people need to be more tolerant other's beliefs, whether they be gay or anti gay. Especially in a working environment.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but I have no obligation nor intent to respect the beliefs of someone who thinks that people shouldn't be able to marry just because they like men. I won't try and stop them (mainly because homophobes are the kind of person who are too stubborn to see how much of an ass they are), but I won't respect that way of thinking in any way.

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445200]Okay just ignore the infringement of rights crap that wasn't the point of what I was trying to say. "I may not approve of your point of view, but I will fight for your right to preach it," is basically saying that people need to be more tolerant other's beliefs, whether they be gay or anti gay. Especially in a working environment.[/QUOTE] Look guy I am not obligated to tolerate bullshit. If someone came up to me and said something ridiculous like "I support the KKK and think blacks should be segregated" then I'm going to tell him why he is an idiot for saying that and refuse to associate with him in any capacity.

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445200]Okay just ignore the infringement of rights crap that wasn't the point of what I was trying to say. "I may not approve of your point of view, but I will fight for your right to preach it," is basically saying that people need to be more tolerant other's beliefs, whether they be gay or anti gay. Especially in a working environment. I'm not taking a fucking standpoint on prosecution of rights or choosing a side to prove my argument jesus christ.[/QUOTE] Why should I be tolerant of beliefs that are intolerant of people?

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445200]Okay just ignore the infringement of rights crap that wasn't the point of what I was trying to say. "I may not approve of your point of view, but I will fight for your right to preach it," is basically saying that people need to be more tolerant other's beliefs, whether they be gay or anti gay. Especially in a working environment. I'm not taking a fucking standpoint on prosecution of rights or choosing a side to prove my argument jesus christ.[/QUOTE] You'll notice the quote says "right to preach it" not "freedom from any consequences".

[QUOTE=AntonioR;44441995]A person was forced to resign because of his beliefs. You need to be pro-gay to run a company today ?[/QUOTE] It's a community browser and the community voiced its opinion

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There would be a lot less bigotry in the world if there weren't tons of people like Comcastic and GeneralMoosen who consistently rush to the defense of homophobes crying "no no but that's his personal belief! he's entitled to it! persecution!" No his beliefs are shitty and he's a shitty person for holding them and the world would be a better place without them. You're giving an irrational phobia legitimacy by defending its existence. It's just reinforcing the status quo. If you support LGBT people then why would do such a thing?

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445308]What? I'm not talking about the KKK, I'm talking about gay marriage, stay on subject. It's the fact that it's there belief and at the end of they day, there is nothing you can do to change it. This man is obviously going to be anti gay, and be firm with his belief. The fact that he was pushed out of his position for his belief is unjustifiable. There is a lot of things you don't know about people behind closed doors. This man made the mistake of opening one to the public, and he got backlash.[/QUOTE] Again, being anti-gay is no different than being openly racist (e.g. KKK). You can't dislike people because of traits that they're born with, be it skin color or sexual orientation.

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445308]What? I'm not talking about the KKK, I'm talking about gay marriage, stay on subject. It's the fact that it's there belief and at the end of they day, there is nothing you can do to change it. This man is obviously going to be anti gay, and be firm with his belief. The fact that he was pushed out of his position for his belief is unjustifiable. There is a lot of things you don't know about people behind closed doors. This man made the mistake of opening one to the public, and he got backlash. As in, I will fight for your right to take a stand on it. It's there belief. You can't silence people onto one side.[/QUOTE] No, it's perfectly justifiable. The people spoke, and they didn't want him to lead the company. If he didn't want to get hate, he shouldn't hate an enormous amount of people for no good reason.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;44445325]There would be a lot less bigotry in the world if there weren't tons of people like Comcastic and GeneralMoosen who consistently rush to the defense of homophobes crying "no no but that's his personal belief! he's entitled to it! persecution!" No his beliefs are shitty and he's a shitty person for holding them and the world would be a better place without them. You're giving an irrational phobia legitimacy by defending its existence. It's just reinforcing the status quo. If you support LGBT people then why would do such a thing?[/QUOTE] But it doesn't even matter because his right to voice his shitty opinion hasn't even been infringed. No one has the right to voice and opinion with no social consequence whatsoever.

[QUOTE=GeneralMoosen;44445308] As in, I will fight for your right to take a stand on it. It's there belief. You can't silence people onto one side.[/QUOTE] Nobody has been silenced either, people are still allowed to say that they don't think two consenting adults should be allowed to marry if they're a certain gender.

[QUOTE=danharibo;44445366]Nobody has been silenced either, people are still allowed to say that they don't think two consenting adults should be allowed to marry if they're a certain gender.[/QUOTE] Hourly reminder that Chick-Fil-A took their homophobic stance and ran with it with, making bank off of Christian conservatives who see fried chicken sandwiches as the last bastion of freedom in Obama's America. If Mozilla wanted to they could have easily backed this CEO's decision, they just didn't want to because the vast majority of their userbase is egalitarian enough to consider donating to an anti-civil rights bill reprehensible.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;44445325]There would be a lot less bigotry in the world if there weren't tons of people like Comcastic and GeneralMoosen who consistently rush to the defense of homophobes crying "no no but that's his personal belief! he's entitled to it! persecution!" No his beliefs are shitty and he's a shitty person for holding them and the world would be a better place without them. You're giving an irrational phobia legitimacy by defending its existence. It's just reinforcing the status quo. If you support LGBT people then why would do such a thing?[/QUOTE] But he its entitled to his own belief. He shouldn't be publicly flogged and forced into a position where he has to end his career because he has an upopular view. Instead of having to stand down from his job because he's unqualified/useless, he has to do it because people started whining about his personal opinion/what he does with his personal funds. I agree people have the right to boycott him, completely. I just believe it isn't right because he has a different opinion, its childish. Boo fucking hoo, people think differently, better ruin their career. [editline]4th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=deadoon;44444125]SO basically if it comes to race, you are not OK with discrimination, but when it comes to sexuality, you are OK with discrimination. I understand now.[/QUOTE] I never said that.

[QUOTE=Comcastic;44446036]But he its entitled to his own belief. He shouldn't be publicly flogged and forced into a position where he has to end his career because he has an upopular view. Instead of having to stand down from his job because he's unqualified/useless, he has to do it because people started whining about his personal opinion/what he does with his personal funds. I agree people have the right to boycott him, completely. I just believe it isn't right because he has a different opinion, its childish. Boo fucking hoo, people think differently, better ruin their career. [/QUOTE]I don't think they're going to be pining for work, being Brendan Eich. This isn't some faceless corporation we're talking about, this is Mozilla. The kind of person who should be in charge of mozilla is not the kind of person who would vote to support legislation that discriminated against people.

So people have the right to boycott something, but it just can't have any effect or then it's bad?

[QUOTE=Comcastic;44446036]I agree people have the right to boycott him, completely. I just believe it isn't right because he has a different opinion, its childish. Boo fucking hoo, people think differently, better ruin their career.[/QUOTE] If this guy was a dishwasher, I might agree, but he's not. He was the CEO of a company. He's not struggling in the business world clearly, and it's a job where all of your public life is going to be under scrutiny. Plus, Mozilla is pro-LGBT so it really kind of makes sense.

[QUOTE=rhx123;44442016]There's a difference between having a belief and enforcing it on others. By giving money to an organisation which may use it to lobby anti-gay laws, he is supporting the oppression of gays - bit different than just believing it's wrong.[/QUOTE] he donated 1000$ to an issue that was hugely popular in california at the time... thats like saying someone is pro-war for voting bush in 2000 also this was 2008, 6 years ago, just 4 years before that texas still had anti-sodomy laws, and DOMA and DADT wouldn't be stuck down for another 5 years, this is a very rapidly progressing issue and i don't think he should rightly have been persecuted for something he did 6 years ago

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44445358]But it doesn't even matter because his right to voice his shitty opinion hasn't even been infringed. No one has the right to voice and opinion with no social consequence whatsoever.[/QUOTE] I always liked this explanation- you have the right to voice your opinion, but not the right to walk away from judgement that may result from it