BREAKING: Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich resigns amids anti-gay controversy - Polidicks

a problem that should not have been a problem in the first place, seems like the type of guy that makes the right decisions, even if the situations against himself. i wonder what the board of directors are like over at mozila

[QUOTE=Sableye;44446271]he donated 1000$ to an issue that was hugely popular in california at the time... thats like saying someone is pro-war for voting bush in 2000[/QUOTE] How are these comparable? No one knew Bush was going to go to war. Funding an antigay law however is quite straightforward.

[QUOTE=Comcastic;44446036]But he its entitled to his own belief. He shouldn't be publicly flogged and forced into a position where he has to end his career because he has an upopular view. Instead of having to stand down from his job because he's unqualified/useless, he has to do it because people started whining about his personal opinion/what he does with his personal funds. I agree people have the right to boycott him, completely. I just believe it isn't right because he has a different opinion, its childish. Boo fucking hoo, people think differently, better ruin their career. [editline]4th April 2014[/editline] I never said that.[/QUOTE] The CEO being anti-gay would probably affect the company. I'd imagine it would be shitty for Mozilla employees who are gay to work under a CEO who is that openly anti-gay.

I'm sorry if I caused an uproar earlier. My opinion was not well worded and I did not take certain obvious things into account like Mozilla being pro gay. I'm not even going to try and defend what I said earlier. His co-workers were uncomfortable with his open agenda towards the stand on gay rights and they took action as peers. If you have a very unpopular opinion, it cannot be justified, especially if your leading a pro gay company.

to everyone crying about free speech and the freedom to hold whatever beliefs: it's not like he's literally having his belief forcibly removed from his head with a clockwork orange style liberal brainwashing. he can have any beliefs he want, he can say whatever he wants and he can donate to whatever he wants, just like every other person can hold the belief that he's scum, can say he is scum and can refuse to give him or his business their patronage

[QUOTE=rhx123;44442016]There's a difference between having a belief and enforcing it on others. By giving money to an organisation which may use it to lobby anti-gay laws, he is supporting the oppression of gays - bit different than just believing it's wrong.[/QUOTE] and now because he was basically forced to step down, he doesn't have to worry about giving $10k to said organisation instead of just $1k. gg

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44443097]For me, it's not even that. He can do that all he likes, but then don't fucking complain when your opposition reacts to it. It's like they are saying that forcing your world view on someone else is ok as long as it works out in their favor, otherwise it's just a bunch of uppity faggots forcing a good man out of his job. [highlight](User was banned for this post (""uppity faggots"" - GunFox))[/highlight] Alternatively: IMO he can financially support hate groups all he wants, but he should not be surprised when the people who are being hated by those groups respond by boycotting the company he is CEO of. It seems to me like this CEOs supporters are saying that what he was doing by financially supporting a hate group was just free speech, but when the LGBT community comes together and boycotts the company he is CEO of they are just being "ridiculous" and are "over-reacting"(aka the two words I was banned for)[/QUOTE] Listen I have to quote this post. I can't fight the urge to at least make sure you guys understand that I was not using that word in a purposefully hurtful way. Maybe I'll never get you guys to understand what I was trying to say, but I am not a bigot. I added a second version of the post to help you guys understand what I meant. If I'm dumb for posting this that's fine, but it is very important to me that people don't go away from this believing I am something I'm not.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;44447555]Listen I have to quote this post. I can't fight the urge to at least make sure you guys understand that I was not using that word in a purposefully hurtful way. Maybe I'll never get you guys to understand what I was trying to say, but I am not a bigot. I added a second version of the post to help you guys understand what I meant. If I'm dumb for posting this that's fine, but it is very important to me that people don't go away from this believing I am something I'm not.[/QUOTE] [quote]IMO he can financially support hate groups all he wants, but he should not be surprised when the people who are being hated by those groups respond by boycotting the company he is CEO of[/quote] Well I think a lot of people mostly agree with that. People should be able to exercise their right to free speech, but don't be surprised when your free speech is actually ignorant and misplaced and you manage to get everyone to hate you for it.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;44445020]I'm sorry but this is very unconvincing and farcical when you go to such lengths to defend a privileged upper-class bigot and never once have I seen you defend minorities who are suffering every day because of people like Brendan Eich. [editline]3rd April 2014[/editline] Stop trying to rationalize bigotry if you do not want people to doubt your sincerity and sympathy.[/QUOTE] Well no offense, but I don't have to convince you, or anyone else of anything. I know who and what I support. Just because I don't jump on the bashing bandwagon doesn't mean that I don't support the root of the movement. Also, I'm not "defending" anyone or their actions. The donation was and will always be a bad thing. In fact, I've NEVER defended his bigoted actions. All I'm saying is that the guy clearly stated he wanted to SHOW people that he wouldn't be a bigot, but was not allowed to do so. People change every day. I used to be grossed out by the idea of homosexuals. But now, one of my best friends is gay, and I wouldn't trade our friendship for anything. People DO change. If you deny them the chance to prove that they have changed, then you have no right to assume that they are the same person they were in the past. It's a VERY hypocritical and childish thing to do.

I'm probably going to get a bunch of dumbs for this, but I'm starting to have a bad feeling about these things these days. The 'This company doesn't agree with us, let's run them out of business' attitude. Half these companies make food for christ's sake, not run governments. I'm sure it's easy to side with their treatment right now, when it's in your favor. But if it was a bunch of Christians trying to run any atheist, pro abortion company out of business... I don't know, but I think that would be pretty fucked up. I think we should all be allowed to voice our opinions without necessarily being destroyed (financially) because of it. Maybe I'm wrong. This is just off the top of my head.

[QUOTE=Comcastic;44446036]But he its entitled to his own belief. He shouldn't be publicly flogged and forced into a position where he has to end his career because he has an upopular view. Instead of having to stand down from his job because he's unqualified/useless, he has to do it because people started whining about his personal opinion/what he does with his personal funds. I agree people have the right to boycott him, completely. I just believe it isn't right because he has a different opinion, its childish. Boo fucking hoo, people think differently, better ruin their career. [editline]4th April 2014[/editline] I never said that.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_United_States[/URL] If someone was supporting a group that was attempting to ban marriage of *insert group here* it would be looked down upon hopefully. You basically said you did not agree with that group being black people, while saying that you do not care if it was gay people. You are still saying it is OK for him to support removal of a groups rights or prevention of them from practicing them, while saying it is not OK to to do the same to another group. If you did not say that, you are claiming that marriage is a privilege, not a right, even though the courts disagree with you. He made a choice that had no legal consequences, correct, but that does not make him immune to social consequences. You are time and time again missing that point.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44446905]to everyone crying about free speech and the freedom to hold whatever beliefs: it's not like he's literally having his belief forcibly removed from his head with a clockwork orange style liberal brainwashing. he can have any beliefs he want, he can say whatever he wants and he can donate to whatever he wants, just like every other person can hold the belief that he's scum, can say he is scum and can refuse to give him or his business their patronage[/QUOTE] Yeah, but in the same way, imagine that on the opposite side. "He can have whatever belief he wants, but he's scum for not believing in allah and I hope he's run out of business. " I mean, I could be wrong. I just think these things are being taken to ridiculous extremes these days. It's getting hard to stay neutral. If you're not 100% for the pro-gay crowd, you risk getting run out of business. Bertolli simply said, "We won't be having gay couples in our commercials", and it turned into a HUGE media thing with people shouting for mass boycotts. I mean, I'm not anti-gay. I've had the pro-gay stance my entire life. It's just... when you're used to being right all the time... It's hard to admit that you're wrong. That's where I think a lot of these groups go wrong these days, such as the extreme feminists. 99% of their ideas are correct. But because of that, they're not used to being wrong. And that's a dangerous precedent.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;44447859]Yeah, but in the same way, imagine that on the opposite side. "He can have whatever belief he wants, but he's scum for not believing in allah and I hope he's run out of business. " I mean, I could be wrong. I just think these things are being taken to ridiculous extremes these days. It's getting hard to stay neutral. If you're not 100% for the pro-gay crowd, you risk getting run out of business. Bertolli simply said, "We won't be having gay couples in our commercials", and it turned into a HUGE media thing with people shouting for mass boycotts. I mean, I'm not anti-gay. I've had the pro-gay stance my entire life. It's just... when you're used to being right all the time... It's hard to admit that you're wrong. That's where I think a lot of these groups go wrong these days, such as the extreme feminists. 99% of their ideas are correct. But because of that, they're not used to being wrong. And that's a dangerous precedent.[/QUOTE] Barrila, not Bertolli, Bertolli used the remark to their advantage in an ad campaign after Barilla's statements. [QUOTE]"I would never make a spot with a homosexual family," Barilla said Thursday on the Italy radio program La Zanzara (The Mosquito), according to Italian news agency ANSA. "Not out of a lack of respect but because I do not see it like they do. (My idea of) family is a classic family where the woman has a fundamental role."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Barilla also said, "I respect everyone who does what they want to do without bothering others," ANSA reported. He said he supported gay marriage "but not adoption in gay families."[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/09/30/barilla-executive-gays-apology/2895831/[/URL] It isn't as simple "We won't be having gay couples in our commercials" as you claim it is. However, due to a quick response and apology it was quelled quickly, unlike this incident; [QUOTE]"It is clear that I have a lot to learn about the lively debate concerning the evolution of the family," said Barilla. "In the coming weeks, I pledge to meet representatives of the groups that best represent the evolution of the family, including those who have been offended by my words."[/QUOTE]

He actually caved in? Fucking ridiculous. One of the pettiest situations I've heard of.

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;44447830]I'm probably going to get a bunch of dumbs for this, but I'm starting to have a bad feeling about these things these days. The 'This company doesn't agree with us, let's run them out of business' attitude. Half these companies make food for christ's sake, not run governments. I'm sure it's easy to side with their treatment right now, when it's in your favor. But if it was a bunch of Christians trying to run any atheist, pro abortion company out of business... I don't know, but I think that would be pretty fucked up. I think we should all be allowed to voice our opinions without necessarily being destroyed (financially) because of it. Maybe I'm wrong. This is just off the top of my head.[/QUOTE] I agree wholeheartedly and the extreme SJW mentality that dominates mainstream media is a fucking joke. It's more about ruining their political opponents rather than social justice these days.

[QUOTE=Ulmo;44448068]I agree wholeheartedly and the extreme SJW mentality that dominates mainstream media is a fucking joke. It's more about ruining their political opponents rather than social justice these days.[/QUOTE] Caring about other people's rights as human beings is "extreme SJW mentality," darn!

[QUOTE=Ulmo;44448068]I agree wholeheartedly and the [B]extreme SJW mentality that dominates mainstream media[/B] is a fucking joke. It's more about ruining their political opponents rather than social justice these days.[/QUOTE] what's 'extreme' and where is this 'extreme'.

"SJW Mentality" in this case means acceptance of non-binary people. Which doesn't even come close to existing in mainstream media yet.

[QUOTE=Ulmo;44448068]I agree wholeheartedly and the extreme SJW mentality that dominates mainstream media is a fucking joke. It's more about ruining their political opponents rather than social justice these days.[/QUOTE]How deep did you have to search in your ass for this bit of shit? Bigots do not deserve and are not entitled to any respect or tolerance.

on the subject of everyone talking about freedom of speech and saying that the rights of people who are homophobic are being stamped on: there are limits to freedom of speech for a good reason. there's a difference between a healthy debate, and slandering minorities with toxic hate - hate speech.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44448131]there's a difference between a healthy debate, and slandering minorities with toxic hate - hate speech.[/QUOTE] Seems kind of ironic given how this forum is prone to doing that to the minority religious userbase

[QUOTE=BFG9000;44448158]Seems kind of ironic given how this forum is prone to doing that to the minority religious userbase[/QUOTE] your right to practice freedom of speech ends when you bring forward hatred to minorities.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;44448158]Seems kind of ironic given how this forum is prone to doing that to the minority religious userbase[/QUOTE]Religion is not some intrinsic, unchanging characteristic of your being outside of your control. Its no different from an opinion such as this guy's.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;44448165]your right to practice freedom of speech ends when you bring forward hatred to minorities.[/QUOTE] Except I never do? Yet I sometimes find myself being slandered with some kind of stereotype anyways. [editline]4th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44448168]Religion is not some intrinsic, unchanging characteristic of your being outside of your control. Its no different from an opinion such as this guy's.[/QUOTE] So that makes it OK to insult somebody on that basis?

[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;44447859]Yeah, but in the same way, imagine that on the opposite side. "He can have whatever belief he wants, but he's scum for not believing in allah and I hope he's run out of business. "[/QUOTE] This is an extremely shitty comparison. Gay rights are just those, RIGHTS. Allah is part of a religious belief. You choose what you believe,. You don't choose your sexuality and thus should not be treated as any less than any other person for that. Period.

It means they're not free from criticism because of it.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44448201]It means they're not free from criticism because of it.[/QUOTE] Well, I have a friend who was gay last year but this year somehow became straight. I'm making an educated guess that this is just him trying to find himself in his confusion, but is that anything different from me being an agnostic my middle school years and then christian in the year immediately thereafter? I mean, fuck me but my faith means a lot to me. I'd argue that it's pretty intrinsic to me.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44448105]How deep did you have to search in your ass for this bit of shit?[/quote] Are you kidding me? Look at what the "extreme" social justice brigade is doing to Stephen Colbert for instance. Don't tell me there isn't a faction of the word police out their getting off on ruining somebody's life or career, much less attempting to do it either. Some of his own audience is turning on him for something so trivial and stupid. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;44448105] Bigots do not deserve and are not entitled to any respect or tolerance.[/QUOTE] Agreed?

[QUOTE=Ulmo;44448231]Are you kidding me? Look at what the "extreme" social justice brigade is doing to Stephen Colbert for instance.[/QUOTE] Oh god that was golden

[QUOTE=Ulmo;44448231]Are you kidding me? Look at what the "extreme" social justice brigade is doing to Stephen Colbert for instance. Don't tell me there isn't a faction of the word police out their getting off on ruining somebody's life or career, much less attempting to do it either. Some of his own audience is turning on him for something so trivial and stupid.[/QUOTE] how is this even important or relevant to the argument in this thread. you're acting like some niche group somehow has a lot of sway in the modern world of media.