Obama vows action against Russia over election hacks - Polidicks

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51539639]Healthcare discussions started a month after his inauguration so could you elaborate on that. They were the minority from day one and had no power to block him. Much like the Dems will be come January.[/QUOTE] Just because they were a minority doesn't mean they weren't saying "no!" to his proposals. It just means that his proposals still got to go through. Blocking may have been the wrong word there, but they have been trying to get anything he wants done, to not be done from day one.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51539639]Healthcare discussions started a month after his inauguration so could you elaborate on that. [/QUOTE] There is nothing to elaborate on, Republicans were going to fight his presidency on health and everything else he wanted to accomplish. If you think that's a good thing because Obama is Stalin then fine, fair enough, but you can't at the same time dog him for being ineffectual.

nytimes.com/2015/11/12/us/politics/ray-lahood-memoir-obama-cabinet.amp.html He brought it on himself.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51536806]I'm honestly [I]much[/I] more inclined to believe the CIA, white house officials, and the standing POTUS than Assange.[/QUOTE] Should I remind you about PRISM leaks?

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51540285]Should I remind you about PRISM leaks?[/QUOTE] i think trusting anyone nowadays is a mistake.

[QUOTE=The Vman;51537134]To the people who say that whoever leaked the DNC emails did us a favor, I've got a hypothetical scenario: Lets imagine that evidence came up that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Russian government was responsible for hacking and leaking the emails. How would you want President Trump to respond to it?[/QUOTE] I'd want Trump to respond to it by creating an initiative or federal agency to fix the FUCKING blatantly obvious corruption problems we have been ignoring for the past two decades. Yes, it's obvious that Russia does not have our best interests in mind if they did this but what is the USA going to do about it? These problems aren't going to magically disappear even if we could fucking annex Russia somehow. And even then, pretty much any other first world country could do the exact same thing or worse because politicians in this country have proven themselves on [I]several[/I] occasions to be completely incompetent or completely self absorbed asshats. At the end of the day, it's the fault of our political leaders for putting this country into such a divided and weakened state. [B]if trust in our government is at such an all time low that people are actually contemplating on trusting the Russians, then something is clearly very fucking wrong.[/b]

[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;51537234]Obama is highly unlikely to actually do anything. The man has been a wet noodle his entire career.[/QUOTE] How has Obama been a wet noodle? He's accomplished a fair bit considering this constant Republican obstruction. I look forward to seeing your world changing exploits in the coming years. [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51544003] At the end of the day, it's the fault of our political leaders for putting this country into such a divided and weakened state. [B]if trust in our government is at such an all time low that people are actually contemplating on trusting the Russians, then something is clearly very fucking wrong.[/b][/QUOTE] Seems like it's the growth of party politics. It's becoming religion, people are blindly following whatever their leader suggests. Trump compliments Putin, suddenly his approval ratings skyrocket.

Other than blocking the supreme court nominations I'm curious what exactly people mean when they declare that the republicans are "obstructing" the president. The president is the head of the executive branch, he's in charge of getting the things that are written into law done within the bounds of how they're interpreted by the judicial branch. Do you expect a republican majority congress to write the legislation that the president wants when they're opposed to it? They're in charge of legislation, he gets to veto bills he doesn't like, but he doesn't get to write them, so wouldn't it be the other way around?

[QUOTE=Glaber;51536586]And people were afraid of what Trump was going to do. What is Obama trying to do? Start a War with Russia himself?[/QUOTE] Best part is that Trump hasn't even sat his ass down in the "big chair", and we already got confrontations brewing up with China and Russia...

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51537122]and Trump has already turned out to be the worst thing possible for the country.[/QUOTE] How? The only thing you can point to Trump is the likely short term saving of around 1000 American jobs.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51544328]How? The only thing you can point to Trump is the likely short term saving of around 1000 American jobs.[/QUOTE] short term saving of *not even close to the original 1000 jobs which he promised loosened regulations for and got swindled tbh if he can get tricked by an AC company he'll get steamrolled by literally everyone

[QUOTE=-nesto-;51539639]Healthcare discussions started a month after his inauguration so could you elaborate on that. They were the minority from day one and had no power to block him. Much like the Dems will be come January.[/QUOTE] republicans would've never tried to work with obama on healthcare issue, they have demonstrated that from day 1. thinking otherwise is disingenuous at best. exposé 1: republicans meeting before Obama entering functions as president to plan to block him at every turn. [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/26/democrats-gop-plot-obstruct-obama"]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/26/democrats-gop-plot-obstruct-obama[/URL] exposé 2: republicans formulating a no-compromise pledge on working with Obama [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311"]http://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311[/URL] so you can still believe what you want, but know that reality disagree with your claim

[QUOTE=Ridge;51544328]How? The only thing you can point to Trump is the likely short term saving of around 1000 American jobs.[/QUOTE] Have you just utterly refused to look at any of his actions other than his Carrier "deal"? Are we just ignoring reality entirely now?

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51544693]Have you just utterly refused to look at any of his actions other than his Carrier "deal"? Are we just ignoring reality entirely now?[/QUOTE] That's all that conservatives have been doing for decades.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51544328]How? The only thing you can point to Trump is the likely short term saving of around 1000 American jobs.[/QUOTE] Wasn't even 1000. And they promised to invest the money they saved from [B]Pence's[/B] tax breaks (fyi Trump did nothing) into automation. We've been had.

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51544693]Have you just utterly refused to look at any of his actions other than his Carrier "deal"? Are we just ignoring reality entirely now?[/QUOTE] He's not President yet, he hasn't done a goddamned thing. What other actions of his have ruined America?

[QUOTE=Ridge;51545130]He's not President yet, he hasn't done a goddamned thing. What other actions of his have ruined America?[/QUOTE] Almost every single one of his picks for high office has been the worst possible person for each position, and the remaining Republicans that are still on his side are making plans to burn everything down, plus his rich buddies are poised to take all the money and run anyway. How do you not see all this happening?

[QUOTE=Ridge;51545130]He's not President yet, he hasn't done a goddamned thing. What other actions of his have ruined America?[/QUOTE] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1545629]Provoking China[/url]

[QUOTE=Ridge;51545130]He's not President yet, he hasn't done a goddamned thing. What other actions of his have ruined America?[/QUOTE] Have you seen what's been set up these past few weeks? You don't need to wait till all the bad shit actually happens and go "oh no, how could this have have happened, I mean all we saw was stuff like those (mostly) shitty cabinet picks that were just waiting to cause problems." Dominoes are being set, and they'll of course be knocked down. You don't have to wait to see it happen.

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51545187]Almost every single one of his picks for high office has been the worst possible person for each position, and the remaining Republicans that are still on his side are making plans to burn everything down, plus his rich buddies are poised to take all the money and run anyway. How do you not see all this happening?[/QUOTE] Remember just a year ago when everyone was freaking out because Obama appointed a former telecom CEO to head the FCC, and that is the guy that ruled that internet was a utility? [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51545270][url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1545629]Provoking China[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah, because no other President has provoked China. Or Russia. C'mon, global politics aren't tea and crumpets.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51545441]Remember just a year ago when everyone was freaking out because Obama appointed a former telecom CEO to head the FCC, and that is the guy that ruled that internet was a utility? [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] Yeah, because no other President has provoked China. Or Russia. C'mon, global politics aren't tea and crumpets.[/QUOTE] I'm less concerned over the provocation itself, and more concerned over the fact that our supposed leader seems to have no idea what the hot-button geopolitical issues are for other countries, and pissed them off [i]on accident[/i]. Hell, the Taiwanese might've even decided to go out of their way to [i]use[/i] him because they figured he'd acknowledge them publicly without realizing what he was doing. Don't get me wrong, I think China's idiotic about the whole thing as well, it's obvious that Taiwan's fucking sovereign, but having an idiot who doesn't understand global politics shitting out diplomatic fuckstorms [i]before he's even in office[/i] bodes [i]incredibly[/i] poorly for the future of our country IMO. Mark my words, Trump is going to get us into another war. I don't know where it'll be, but it's going to happen, and it's going to be a million times dumber and more wasteful than anything Clinton might've managed lmao.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51545441]Remember just a year ago when everyone was freaking out because Obama appointed a former telecom CEO to head the FCC, and that is the guy that ruled that internet was a utility? [editline]17th December 2016[/editline] Yeah, because no other President has provoked China. Or Russia. C'mon, global politics aren't tea and crumpets.[/QUOTE] i love how you make this analogy like it compares with appointing a climate change denier to the EPA

[QUOTE=Map in a box;51545610]i love how you make this analogy like it compares with appointing a climate change denier to the EPA[/QUOTE] Yeah, having someone against net neutrality, which could seriously hamper the free exchange of information and cooperation for the greater public good is such a minor thing.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51546144]Yeah, having someone against net neutrality, which could seriously hamper the free exchange of information and cooperation for the greater public good is such a minor thing.[/QUOTE] Good thing Net Neutrality is going to be gone under Trump, then.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51546151]Good thing Net Neutrality is going to be gone under Trump, then.[/QUOTE] That remains to be seen.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51545270][url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1545629]Provoking China[/url][/QUOTE] In Trump's defense China is fucking trying to piss off the international community.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51539740]There is nothing to elaborate on, Republicans were going to fight his presidency on health and everything else he wanted to accomplish. If you think that's a good thing because Obama is Stalin then fine, fair enough, but you can't at the same time dog him for being ineffectual.[/QUOTE] Don't get why Democrats didn't just ram single-payer legislation down the gullet when they were filibuster proof the first few months of Obama's presidency

[QUOTE=Ridge;51546161]That remains to be seen.[/QUOTE] [url]http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/12/fccs-ajit-pai-says-net-neutralitys-days-are-numbered-under-trump/[/url] I know you conservatives love to cover your ears, shut your eyes, and pretend you live somewhere else, but Trump's administration will take apart net neutrality. I hope you enjoyed having the internet :)

[QUOTE=Ridge;51545441] Yeah, because no other President has provoked China. Or Russia. C'mon, global politics aren't tea and crumpets.[/QUOTE] i mean i'd prefer if they don't do it over twitter

[QUOTE=Ridge;51545130]He's not President yet, he hasn't done a goddamned thing. What other actions of his have ruined America?[/QUOTE] At what point can we begin to take what Donald Trump says and does seriously? First it was "Oh, he's just trying to get the right-wing Republicans into his fold" during the primaries, then "Oh he's just being a populist to win the election", and now it's "He isn't President yet". Trump has made many of his - if not intentions, then at least convictions - clear during the last year or so, and his cabinet picks have only confirmed those. If a person is holding a gun to my head, do I [I]really[/I] have to wait for him to pull the trigger to make assumptions about his intentions? Trump may not do all the bad things he has said he would or what many others claim he will do, but even if he only executes on half or a third or a fourth of those concerns, it will still be detrimental. The only people who are okay with the "Let's wait and see guys!"-approach are the people who aren't fundamentally opposed to his policies in the first place.